Community-Help for the core-team in deadline-times

[Martijn Verburg]

Hi Dalibor,

On 30 November 2015 at 13:56, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com>
wrote:

> On 27.11.2015 15:23, Martijn Verburg wrote:
>
>> Oh this would very much only be for people who wanted to have their
>> patch helped through by this group, much like Sebastian asking for help...
>>
>
> You can't rely on an implicit assumption here - he didn't ask for his
> activities to be tracked. He just asked what possible reason could there be
> for not getting a reply to a mailing list post. I hope it's obvious that's
> not the same thing at all.
>

Yes of course - we would only have tracked if we offered that as a service
and they wanted it done, hope that was obvious as well.  But as there's a
massive resistance to this idea I'm going to drop any aspect of it.


> Asking for help and answering such queries is perfectly fine. Tracking
> people who ask for help is not. Neither is tracking people who offer (or
> don't offer) help.
>
> Perhaps it being a common topic of discussion at FOSDEM and other places
>> is a statistical aberration then...
>>
>
> There is sometimes a marked difference between subjective perception and
> objective reality.
>
> Some people tend to rely on hearsay and anecdotal evidence, and
> overestimate the relevance of their own experiences and beliefs. There was
> a popular comedy show around that distinction:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness
>
> Perhaps a reminder to that resource could be sent to new contributors.
>> Perhaps a week after they sign the OCA (or some other milestone).  As an
>> example I send out a monthly email to the valhalla-dev mailing list on
>> behalf of that project lead as a reminder on how best to contribute.
>> Perhaps we could offer that service to other projects (they can of
>> course say no).
>>
>
> I think a monthly reminder e-mail to this mailing list would be fine.
>

Only this mailing list? There's an assumption that the new (and possibly
existing) contributors are joining this list.  As not even the OpenJDK home
page mentions us I suspect we're not an automatically easy to find
group/resource.


> Unsolicited monthly or weekly reminder e-mails to individuals directly
> would be a pretty bad idea, though.
>

Individuals absolutely, only thinking of projects/groups, see valhalla-dev
as an example where I was asked by them to try a monthly reminder to see if
that helped their audience (it seems to have).

Cheers,
Martijn


>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
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