On what issues could I help clean up for JDK 9

Mon Dec 5 20:09:07 UTC 2016

Hi Dalibor,

Thanks for the road - that shouldn't stop us from the initial investigation
however (it may not even be an issue anymore!). So perhaps the message to
core-libs can be "We're looking into this in the current 9 forest but with
a view that any fixes would go into 10".

Patrick - do you want to take lead on investigating this or another bug and
have the rest of us join in?

Thinking out loud there might be a useful mini guide we can put onto the
wiki on the process we go through.

Cheers,
Martijn

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 at 15:23, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com> wrote:

> My suggestion for developers who want to work on fixing some JDK cleanup
> issue, and on nothing else at all, is that they should wait for a little
> bit longer until JDK 10 forests are created, and then concentrate their
> cleanup efforts there.
>
> On the JDK 9 side, with the JDK 9 Rampdown Start coming up in a few
> weeks, please be aware that changes for P4 and P5 issues won't be
> accepted any more from then on into JDK 9 forests.
>
> For details on the timing, please see
> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk9/ .
>
> I would absolutely agree that it doesn't makes a lot of sense to ask
> anyone to start contributing code to some "JDK 9 focused P4/P5 cleanup"
> effort at this stage of JDK 9 development, in particular with the
> holiday season and Feature Extension Complete dates coming up right
> before Rampdown Start.
>
> I understand that it can be a bit disappointing to be told that, but I
> think that's preferable to being "mentored" into spending time on low
> priority cleanups for JDK 9 that don't have a high a chance of making it
> into JDK 9 on time.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
> On 02.12.2016 22:35, Patrick Reinhart wrote:
> > It’s a bit disappointing answer after all.
> >
> > All you get told on the various Presentations is that „we need you“, but
> when you actually try to help there seem’s to be nobody that actually
> want’s to mentor new contributors. I know that a new contributors should
> prove in a some way that they are willing to do more than one contribution.
> But on the other hand if I ask for help, I should also do some investment
> on my side.
> >
> > The main reason for keeping me on trying to help is the nice response of
> a couple guys like you Stephen, Stuart Marks, Mandy Chung and Paul Sandoz
> to just name a few that actually took the time to help me going.
> >
> > I read the post [1] but only pointing to documentation only seems to me
> not be mentoring
> >
> > For me it looks like:
> >
> > „We are so busy working, that we got not time to help new guys in
> getting in shape, to take over some of the work“
> >
> > -Patirck
> >
> > [1] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/adoption-discuss/
> 2016-August/001422.html
> >
> >
> >> Am 02.12.2016 um 17:13 schrieb Stephen Colebourne <scolebourne at joda.org
> >:
> >>
> >> This advice reads as "go bother some other mailing list, we're too
> >> busy doing important things". Essentially it ensures that there will
> >> be no new contributors to the JDK (core-libs) because they have all
> >> been sent elsewhere.
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2 December 2016 at 15:08, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Community-wide 'starter issues' are a better idea in theory, then they
> are
> >>> in practice.
> >>>
> >>> Typically the theory behind them is to mark some low priority issues
> for
> >>> someone else to fix. But in practice, not all low priority fixes are
> welcome
> >>> at all times. See
> >>> http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/adoption-discuss/
> 2016-August/001422.html
> >>> for a longer explanation why that's the case.
> >>>
> >>> In practice, it's a better idea to focus new contributors' attention
> not on
> >>> what they can do for the large projects with schedules, processes and
> all
> >>> that good, complicated stuff that enables releases to happen, like JDK
> 9 or
> >>> JDK 8 Updates, but on what they can do in the projects that are in a
> more
> >>> exploratory phase, such as Valhalla. Beside exploration of new ideas
> being
> >>> more fun for new contributors, they are also often eager for the kind
> of
> >>> feedback on the new ideas and designs, that comes from playing with
> the new
> >>> toys and often enough, breaking them in interesting ways.
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> dalibor topic
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 02.12.2016 13:53, Patrick Reinhart wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> What was the outcome of that discussion?
> >>>>
> >>>> I seem to miss that one. My question comes from the past presentation
> I
> >>>> gave about contributing to the OpenJDK. And one of the main things
> was not
> >>>> only to do some local hacking but instead try to solve some small
> issues,
> >>>> that else would not be fixed because of other more important things.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Patrick
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 02.12.2016 um 11:45 schrieb Martijn Verburg
> >>>>> <martijnverburg at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's no JBS query that I know of (I think in the distant past we
> >>>>> discussed adding a low hanging fruit 'Duke' tag?).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Martijn
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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