On what issues could I help clean up for JDK 9

Tue Dec 6 05:42:57 UTC 2016

Hi Martijn,
                   >Thinking out loud there might be a useful mini guide we
can put onto the
                   >wiki on the process we go through.
  Such a guide will be very helpful.

Thanks,
Mohan

On 6 December 2016 at 01:39, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Dalibor,
>
> Thanks for the road - that shouldn't stop us from the initial investigation
> however (it may not even be an issue anymore!). So perhaps the message to
> core-libs can be "We're looking into this in the current 9 forest but with
> a view that any fixes would go into 10".
>
> Patrick - do you want to take lead on investigating this or another bug and
> have the rest of us join in?
>
> Thinking out loud there might be a useful mini guide we can put onto the
> wiki on the process we go through.
>
> Cheers,
> Martijn
>
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 at 15:23, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My suggestion for developers who want to work on fixing some JDK cleanup
> > issue, and on nothing else at all, is that they should wait for a little
> > bit longer until JDK 10 forests are created, and then concentrate their
> > cleanup efforts there.
> >
> > On the JDK 9 side, with the JDK 9 Rampdown Start coming up in a few
> > weeks, please be aware that changes for P4 and P5 issues won't be
> > accepted any more from then on into JDK 9 forests.
> >
> > For details on the timing, please see
> > http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk9/ .
> >
> > I would absolutely agree that it doesn't makes a lot of sense to ask
> > anyone to start contributing code to some "JDK 9 focused P4/P5 cleanup"
> > effort at this stage of JDK 9 development, in particular with the
> > holiday season and Feature Extension Complete dates coming up right
> > before Rampdown Start.
> >
> > I understand that it can be a bit disappointing to be told that, but I
> > think that's preferable to being "mentored" into spending time on low
> > priority cleanups for JDK 9 that don't have a high a chance of making it
> > into JDK 9 on time.
> >
> > cheers,
> > dalibor topic
> >
> > On 02.12.2016 22:35, Patrick Reinhart wrote:
> > > It’s a bit disappointing answer after all.
> > >
> > > All you get told on the various Presentations is that „we need you“,
> but
> > when you actually try to help there seem’s to be nobody that actually
> > want’s to mentor new contributors. I know that a new contributors should
> > prove in a some way that they are willing to do more than one
> contribution.
> > But on the other hand if I ask for help, I should also do some investment
> > on my side.
> > >
> > > The main reason for keeping me on trying to help is the nice response
> of
> > a couple guys like you Stephen, Stuart Marks, Mandy Chung and Paul Sandoz
> > to just name a few that actually took the time to help me going.
> > >
> > > I read the post [1] but only pointing to documentation only seems to me
> > not be mentoring
> > >
> > > For me it looks like:
> > >
> > > „We are so busy working, that we got not time to help new guys in
> > getting in shape, to take over some of the work“
> > >
> > > -Patirck
> > >
> > > [1] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/adoption-discuss/
> > 2016-August/001422.html
> > >
> > >
> > >> Am 02.12.2016 um 17:13 schrieb Stephen Colebourne <
> scolebourne at joda.org
> > >:
> > >>
> > >> This advice reads as "go bother some other mailing list, we're too
> > >> busy doing important things". Essentially it ensures that there will
> > >> be no new contributors to the JDK (core-libs) because they have all
> > >> been sent elsewhere.
> > >>
> > >> Stephen
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 2 December 2016 at 15:08, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> Community-wide 'starter issues' are a better idea in theory, then
> they
> > are
> > >>> in practice.
> > >>>
> > >>> Typically the theory behind them is to mark some low priority issues
> > for
> > >>> someone else to fix. But in practice, not all low priority fixes are
> > welcome
> > >>> at all times. See
> > >>> http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/adoption-discuss/
> > 2016-August/001422.html
> > >>> for a longer explanation why that's the case.
> > >>>
> > >>> In practice, it's a better idea to focus new contributors' attention
> > not on
> > >>> what they can do for the large projects with schedules, processes and
> > all
> > >>> that good, complicated stuff that enables releases to happen, like
> JDK
> > 9 or
> > >>> JDK 8 Updates, but on what they can do in the projects that are in a
> > more
> > >>> exploratory phase, such as Valhalla. Beside exploration of new ideas
> > being
> > >>> more fun for new contributors, they are also often eager for the kind
> > of
> > >>> feedback on the new ideas and designs, that comes from playing with
> > the new
> > >>> toys and often enough, breaking them in interesting ways.
> > >>>
> > >>> cheers,
> > >>> dalibor topic
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 02.12.2016 13:53, Patrick Reinhart wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What was the outcome of that discussion?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I seem to miss that one. My question comes from the past
> presentation
> > I
> > >>>> gave about contributing to the OpenJDK. And one of the main things
> > was not
> > >>>> only to do some local hacking but instead try to solve some small
> > issues,
> > >>>> that else would not be fixed because of other more important things.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Patrick
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Am 02.12.2016 um 11:45 schrieb Martijn Verburg
> > >>>>> <martijnverburg at gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There's no JBS query that I know of (I think in the distant past we
> > >>>>> discussed adding a low hanging fruit 'Duke' tag?).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> Martijn
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
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