Suggestion: A wiki page for all answered "Why don't you ...?"

[Ethan McCue]

It's almost something you'd want dedicated tooling for - I'm suspicious
that there might be OSINT tooling for "stitching together narratives from
discussion threads" that already exists.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2025, 2:32 PM Magnus Ihse Bursie <
magnus.ihse.bursie at oracle.com> wrote:

> On 2025-01-19 18:24, Ethan McCue wrote:
>
> Following up to say: this will take more effort than I thought it would.
> New years turned out to be a smidge optimistic.
>
> You don't say? :-D
>
> I think this is the reason that it has not been done already -- it
> requires a lot of work. It might be easier to start with something very
> simple, kind of MVP of a wiki page, just listing some bullet points of
> ideas and links to the email thread. Like what Archie suggested but even
> more simple. If this is available where everyone can contribute, hopefully
> it will be easier to crowdsource incremental improvements, than trying to
> write a complete, perfect document from scratch.
>
> /Magnus
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2024, 9:26 AM Magnus Ihse Bursie <
> magnus.ihse.bursie at oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-13 04:02, Ethan McCue wrote:
>>
>> One practical trouble in assembling this is that the mailing lists aren't
>> exactly indexed/searchable.
>>
>> Yes, that is indeed annoying. :-(
>>
>> To be able to search locally on your own computer, you can download the
>> archives using something like this:
>>
>> wget -l 0  --mirror --convert-links --no-parent
>> https://mail.openjdk.org/pipermail/amber-dev/
>>
>> This will give you all the mails as a <Year>-<Month>.txt file.
>>
>> Our CDN seems to be throttling wget, so you might have do to add
>> something like "--user-agent=work-around-missing-searchable-archive" to the
>> command line...
>>
>> I'll make it my project to put something together by new years though.
>>
>> That's great to hear. Thank you Ethan!
>>
>> /Magnus
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024, 6:26 AM Louis Wasserman <lowasser at google.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just seeing that it hasn't been mentioned, Guava's Idea Graveyard is an
>>> example of this specific flavor of thing:
>>> https://github.com/google/guava/wiki/IdeaGraveyard.  (It's pretty old,
>>> though, which reflects some of the downsides.)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 10:34 AM Archie Cobbs <archie.cobbs at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 10:07 AM Brian Goetz <brian.goetz at oracle.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is the amber-docs repo which gets published to `
>>>>> openjdk.org/projects/amber` <http://openjdk.org/projects/amber>,
>>>>> which is probably a better place to put it, and people can contribute via
>>>>> PRs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think putting something online under amber-docs is a great idea -
>>>> especially the part where people can contribute using PR's, which fosters
>>>> decentralized collaboration on the maintenance of the list.
>>>>
>>>> While it would be ideal to have a complete directory of ideas with
>>>> accompanying summaries of all that has been discussed, we should probably
>>>> start with something simpler and more maintainable.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a proposal: Have a list of "previously discussed ideas". Each
>>>> idea has a one line description, a one paragraph summary, an optional
>>>> example, and a bullet-point list of one or more links to the thread(s) in
>>>> the archive that contain all the gory details of the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a simple example...
>>>>
>>>> *Idea:* Using switch statements for if/else control flow
>>>>
>>>> *Description:* Support "switches on nothing" where the cases simply
>>>> provide the conditions on which to execute various code branches.
>>>>
>>>> *Example:*
>>>>
>>>>     public double toInches(String value) {
>>>>         switch {
>>>>         case when value.endsWith("mm") -> return 0.0393701 *
>>>> Integer.parseInt(value.substring(0, value.length() - 2));
>>>>         case when value.endsWith("ft") -> return 12 *
>>>> Integer.parseInt(value.substring(0, value.length() - 2));
>>>>         case when value.endsWith("light-years") -> return 3.725e+17 *
>>>> Integer.parseInt(value.substring(0, value.length() - 2));
>>>>         default -> throw new IllegalArgumentException("can't parse
>>>> value");
>>>>         }
>>>>     }
>>>>
>>>> *Discussion:*
>>>>
>>>>    -
>>>>    https://mail.openjdk.org/pipermail/amber-dev/2024-October/008939.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just now seeing Eirik's reference to Project Jigsaw's Issue Summary
>>>> document. I like this even better but someone would have to step up and
>>>> take ownership.
>>>>
>>>> -Archie
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Archie L. Cobbs
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Louis Wasserman (he/they)
>>>
>>
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