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<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 15 mai 2023 16:03<br>
<b>À :</b> Duncan MacGregor <duncan.macgregor@servicenow.com><br>
<b>Cc :</b> amber-dev <amber-dev@openjdk.org><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: JEP 430: String Templates Mandatory TemplateProcessor</font>
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<b>From: </b>"Duncan MacGregor" <duncan.macgregor@servicenow.com><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="">I don’t understand the dislike for \{ either. Ruby uses #{, Swift uses \(, Python uses $, or { depending on whether you’re using f-strings, and so on. I use all of these at least semi-regularly and none of these is particularly
ugly and all are abundantly clear if your IDE or editor supports correct syntax highlighting. I wouldn’t mind discussion of the syntax if it were more nuanced than “\{}
</span><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">冷</span><span style="">” (actual reddit comment), but I think until we see better arguments than, “Kotlin does it this way,” I’m not sure it’s valuable.</span></p>
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<div>I've recently discussed with someone that choose to use ${} as a syntax for his template library.<br data-mce-bogus="1">
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<div>The given reason is that '$' is seen as a pseudo character, so it works well in strings that uses the usual delimiters like :, ;, / or \ because it visually keeps the structure.</div>
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<div>Now, Brian, the spec lead, said that the escape sequence is \{...} so it is.</div>
<div>Let's wait and see at least until 21 is released, at that points more people will use the feature, so the feedback will be more based on actual users.<br data-mce-bogus="1">
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<b>Date: </b>Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 16:19<br>
<b>To: </b>interlink.sg7@gmail.com <interlink.sg7@gmail.com><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Depends on who you hang out with. I know the Swift crowd seem content with \(. Not sure I see the point of making all languages the same. </p>
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