<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Brian Goetz" <brian.goetz@oracle.com><br><b>To: </b>"Remi Forax" <forax@univ-mlv.fr>, "David Alayachew" <davidalayachew@gmail.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"Robbe Pincket" <robbepincket@live.be>, "amber-dev" <amber-dev@openjdk.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 24, 2023 6:02:16 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Presentation at JCrete.org<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><br>
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<div>Let's take another example, a builder. I see no problem
to have a template processor that acts as
StringBuilder/StringJoiner.<br>
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<div>var joiner = new StringJoinerAndTemplateProcessor();<br>
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<div>for(...) {<br>
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<div> joiner."""</div>
<div> several lines and \{ holes }<br>
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<div> """;<br>
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<div>return joiner.toString();<br>
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<div>I do not see why I can not to that.</div>
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I am sorry to hear this. This is a needlessly-bad design. <br>
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The invocation of ."..." has an effect, but there is no verb
visible. What does it do? (I am not looking for an answer; the
fact that I have to ask makes this a terrible API design.) </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I know that you are playing the devil advocate here but given that the variable is called joiner, you may think, occasionnally, that a joiner may join.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Anyway, you convince me one year ago that using an interface instead of a function call was a better idea in term of syntax, but now you are saying that the semantics is not the usual semantics on a method call on an interface. I think i've the right to be confused.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><br>
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Whereas, when TemplateProcessor behaves more like Function, it is
clear what it does; takes an X, and gives me a Y. (It is then on me
to handle the Y properly.) </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Some template processors are like a Function, like RAW, but for example, FMT is an instance of a real class, FormatProcessor. <br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>[...]<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><br>
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I think it is probably time to end this conversation here, though;
further arguing about "I wish the design center of this feature were
different" doesn't seem counterproductive, and it seems you are
pretty much there.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not whish the design center of this feature to be different*. <br></div><div>I'm trying to figure out why you think that having a template processor that do side effects is a bad idea. <br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Rémi<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>* I may think that the runtime implementation can be simplified by removing j.l.r.Carriers and friends, and make Processor.Linkage open.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div></div></div></body></html>