We need more keywords, captain!
Tagir Valeev
amaembo at gmail.com
Thu Jan 17 10:12:08 UTC 2019
+1 to break-with
With best regards,
Tagir Valeev
чт, 17 янв. 2019 г., 16:46 Remi Forax forax at univ-mlv.fr:
> I think i prefer break-with,
> the problem of break-return is that people will write it break return
> without the hyphen, break return is in my opinion too close to return if
> you read the code too fast and a break return without a value means nothing
> unlike a regular return.
>
> I like break-with because it's obvious that you have to say with what
> value you want to break, which is exactly the issue we have with the
> current break syntax.
>
> So i vote for break-with instead of break,
> as Brian said, the expression switch is currently a preview feature of 12
> so we can still tweak the syntax a bit.
>
> Rémi
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> > De: "Guy Steele" <guy.steele at oracle.com>
> > À: "Brian Goetz" <brian.goetz at oracle.com>
> > Cc: "amber-spec-experts" <amber-spec-experts at openjdk.java.net>
> > Envoyé: Mardi 8 Janvier 2019 18:23:36
> > Objet: Re: We need more keywords, captain!
>
> > Actually, even better than `break-with` would be `break-return`. It’s
> clearly a
> > kind of `break`, and also clearly a kind of `return`.
> >
> > I think maybe this application alone has won me over to the idea of
> hyphenated
> > keywords.
> >
> > (Then again, for this specific application we don’t even need the
> hyphen; we
> > could just write `break return v;`.)
> >
> > —Guy
> >
> >> On Jan 8, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Brian Goetz <brian.goetz at oracle.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> When discussing this today at our compiler meeting, we realized a few
> more
> >> places where the lack of keywords produce distortions we don't even
> notice. In
> >> expression switch, we settled on `break value` as the way to provide a
> value
> >> for a switch expression when the shorthand (`case L -> e`) doesn't
> suffice, but
> >> this was painful for everyone. It's painful for users because there's
> now work
> >> required to disambiguate whether `break foo` is a labeled break or a
> value
> >> break; it was even more painful to specify, because a new form of abrupt
> >> completion had to be threaded through the spec.
> >>
> >> Being able to call this something like `break-with v` (or some other
> derived
> >> keyword) would have made this all a lot simpler. (BTW, we can still do
> this,
> >> since expression-switch is still in preview.)
> >>
> >> Moral of the story: even just a few minutes of brainstorming led us to
> several
> >> applications of this approach that we hadn't seen a few days ago.
> >>
> >> On 1/8/2019 10:22 AM, Brian Goetz wrote:
> >>> This document proposes a possible move that will buy us some breathing
> room in
> >>> the perpetual problem where the keyword-management tail wags the
> >>> programming-model dog.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ## We need more keywords, captain!
> >>>
> >>> Java has a fixed set of _keywords_ (JLS 3.9) which are not allowed to
> >>> be used as identifiers. This set has remained quite stable over the
> >>> years (for good reason), with the exceptions of `assert` added in 1.4,
> >>> `enum` added in 5, and `_` added in 9. In addition, there are also
> >>> several _reserved identifiers_ (`true`, `false`, and `null`) which
> >>> behave almost like keywords.
> >>>
> >>> Over time, as the language evolves, language designers face a
> >>> challenge; the set of keywords imagined in version 1.0 are rarely
> >>> suitable for expressing all the things we might ever want our language
> >>> to express. We have several tools at our disposal for addressing this
> >>> problem:
> >>>
> >>> - Eminent domain. Take words that were previously identifiers, and
> >>> turn them into keywords, as we did with `assert` in 1.4.
> >>>
> >>> - Recycle. Repurpose an existing keyword for something that it was
> >>> never really meant for (such as using `default` for annotation
> >>> values or default methods).
> >>>
> >>> - Do without. Find a way to pick a syntax that doesn't require a
> >>> new keyword, such as using `@interface` for annotations instead of
> >>> `annotation` -- or don't do the feature at all.
> >>>
> >>> - Smoke and mirrors. Create the illusion of context-dependent
> >>> keywords through various linguistic heroics (restricted keywords,
> >>> reserved type names.)
> >>>
> >>> In any given situation, all of these options are on the table -- but
> >>> most of the time, none of these options are very good. The lack of
> >>> reasonable options for extending the syntax of the language threatens
> >>> to become a significant impediment to language evolution.
> >>>
> >>> #### Why not "just" make new keywords?
> >>>
> >>> While it may be legal for us to declare `i` to be a keyword in a
> >>> future version of Java, this would likely break every program in the
> >>> world, since `i` is used so commonly as an identifier. (When the
> >>> `assert` keyword was added in 1.4, it broke every testing framework.)
> >>> The cost of remediating the effect of such incompatible changes varies
> >>> as well; invalidating a name choice for a local variable has a local
> >>> fix, but invalidating the name of a public type or an interface
> >>> method might well be fatal.
> >>>
> >>> Additionally, the keywords we're likely to want to reclaim are often
> >>> those that are popular as identifiers (e.g., `value`, `var`,
> >>> `method`), making such fatal collisions more likely. In some cases,
> >>> if the keyword candidate in question is sufficiently rarely used as an
> >>> identifier, we might still opt to take that source-compatibility hit
> >>> -- but names that are less likely to collide (e.g.,
> >>> `usually_but_not_always_final`) are likely not the ones we want in our
> >>> language. Realistically, this is unlikely to be a well we can go to
> >>> very often, and the bar must be very high.
> >>>
> >>> #### Why not "just" live with the keywords we have?
> >>>
> >>> Reusing keywords in multiple contexts has ample precedent in
> >>> programming languages, including Java. (For example, we (ab)use
> `final`
> >>> for "not mutable", "not overridable", and "not extensible".)
> >>> Sometimes, using an existing keyword in a new context is natural and
> >>> sensible, but usually it's not our first choice. Over time, as the
> >>> range of demands we place on our keyword set expands, this may well
> >>> descend into the ridiculous; no one wants to use `null final` as a way
> >>> of negating finality. (While one might think such things are too
> >>> ridiculous to consider, note that we received serious-seeming
> >>> suggestions during JEP 325 to use `new switch` to describe a switch
> >>> with different semantics. Presumably to be followed by `new new
> >>> switch` in ten years.)
> >>>
> >>> Of course, one way to live without making new keywords is to stop
> >>> evolving the language entirely. While there are some who think this
> >>> is a fine idea, doing so because of the lack of available tokens would
> >>> be a silly reason. We are convinced that Java has a long life ahead of
> >>> it, and developers are excited about new features that enable to them
> >>> to write more expressive and reliable code.
> >>>
> >>> #### Why not "just" make contextual keywords?
> >>>
> >>> At first glance, contextual keywords (and their friends, such as
> >>> reserved type identifiers) may appear to be a magic wand; they let us
> >>> create the illusion of adding new keywords without breaking existing
> >>> programs. But the positive track record of contextual keywords hides
> >>> a great deal of complexity and distortion.
> >>>
> >>> Each grammar position is its own story; contextual keywords that might
> >>> be used as modifiers (e.g., `readonly`) have different ambiguity
> >>> considerations than those that might be use in code (e.g., a `matches`
> >>> expression). The process of selecting a contextual keyword is not a
> >>> simple matter of adding it to the grammar; each one requires an
> >>> analysis of potential current and future interactions. Similarly,
> >>> each token we try to repurpose may have its own special
> >>> considerations; for example, we could justify the use of `var` as a
> >>> reserved type name because because the naming conventions are so
> >>> broadly adhered to. Finally, the use of contextual keywords in
> >>> certain syntactic positions can create additional considerations for
> >>> extending the syntax later.
> >>>
> >>> Contextual keywords create complexity for specifications, compilers,
> >>> and IDEs. With one or two special cases, we can often deal well
> >>> enough, but if special cases were to become more pervasive, this would
> >>> likely result in more significant maintenance costs or bug tail. While
> >>> it is easy to dismiss this as “not my problem”, in reality, this is
> >>> everybody’s problem. IDEs often have to guess whether a use of a
> >>> contextual keyword is a keyword or identifier, and it may not have
> >>> enough information to make a good guess until it’s seen more input.
> >>> This results in worse user highlighting, auto-completion, and
> >>> refactoring abilities — or worse. These problems quickly become
> >>> everyone's problems.
> >>>
> >>> So, while contextual keywords are one of the tools in our toolbox,
> >>> they should also be used sparingly.
> >>>
> >>> #### Why is this a problem?
> >>>
> >>> Aside from the obvious consequences of these problems (clunky syntax,
> >>> complexity, bugs), there is a more insidious hidden cost --
> >>> distortion. The accidental details of keyword management pose a
> >>> constant risk of distortion in language design.
> >>>
> >>> One could consider the choice to use `@interface` instead of
> >>> `annotation` for annotations to be a distortion; having a descriptive
> >>> name rather than a funky combination of punctuation and keyword would
> >>> surely have made it easier for people to become familiar with
> >>> annotations.
> >>>
> >>> In another example, the set of modifiers (`public`, `private`,
> >>> `static`, `final`, etc) is not complete; there is no way to say “not
> >>> final” or “not static”. This, in turn, means that we cannot create
> >>> features where variables or classes are `final` by default, or members
> >>> are `static` by default, because there’s no way to denote the desire
> >>> to opt out of it. While there may be reasons to justify a locally
> >>> suboptimal default anyway (such as global consistency), we want to
> >>> make these choices deliberately, not have them made for us by the
> >>> accidental details of keyword management. Choosing to leave out a
> >>> feature for reasons of simplicity is fine; leaving it out because we
> >>> don't have a way to denote the obvious semantics is not.
> >>>
> >>> It may not be obvious from the outside, but this is a constant problem
> >>> in evolving the language, and an ongoing tax that we all pay, directly
> >>> or indirectly.
> >>>
> >>> ## We need a new source of keyword candidates
> >>>
> >>> Every time we confront this problem, the overwhelming tendency is to
> >>> punt and pick one of the bad options, because the problem only comes
> >>> along every once in a while. But, with the features in the pipeline, I
> >>> expect it will continue to come along with some frequency, and I’d
> >>> rather get ahead of it. Given that all of these current options are
> >>> problematic, and there is not even a least-problematic move that
> >>> applies across all situations, my inclination is to try to expand the
> >>> set of lexical forms that can be used as keywords.
> >>>
> >>> As a not-serious example, take the convention that we’ve used for
> >>> experimental features, where we prefix provisional keywords in
> >>> prototypes with two underscores, as we did with `__ByValue` in the
> >>> Valhalla prototype. (We commonly do this in feature proposals and
> >>> prototypes, mostly to signify “this keyword is a placeholder for a
> >>> syntax decision to be made later”, but also because it permits a
> >>> simple implementation that is unlikely to collide with existing code.)
> >>> We could, for example, carve out the space of identifiers that begin
> >>> with underscore as being reserved for keywords. Of course, this isn’t
> >>> so pretty, and it also means we'd have a mix of underscore and
> >>> non-underscore keywords, so it’s not a serious suggestion, as much as
> >>> an example of the sort of move we are looking for.
> >>>
> >>> But I do have a serious suggestion: allow _hyphenated_ keywords where
> >>> one or more of the terms are already keywords or reserved identifiers.
> >>> Unlike restricted keywords, this creates much less trouble for
> >>> parsing, as (for example) `non-null` cannot be confused for a
> >>> subtraction expression, and the lexer can always tell with fixed
> >>> lookahead whether `a-b` is three tokens or one. This gives us a lot
> >>> more room for creating new, less-conflicting keywords. And these new
> >>> keywords are likely to be good names, too, as many of the missing
> >>> concepts we want to add describe their relationship to existing
> >>> language constructs -- such as `non-null`.
> >>>
> >>> Here’s some examples where this approach might yield credible
> >>> candidates. (Note: none of these are being proposed here; this is
> >>> merely an illustrative list of examples of how this mechanism could
> >>> form keywords that might, in some particular possible future, be
> >>> useful and better than the alternatives we have now.)
> >>>
> >>> - `non-null`
> >>> - `non-final`
> >>> - `package-private` (the default accessibility for class members,
> currently not
> >>> denotable)
> >>> - `public-read` (publicly readable, privately writable)
> >>> - `null-checked`
> >>> - `type-static` (a concept needed in Valhalla, which is static
> relative to a
> >>> particular specialization of a class, rather than the class itself)
> >>> - `default-value`
> >>> - `eventually-final` (what the `@Stable` annotation currently
> suggests)
> >>> - `semi-final` (an alternative to `sealed`)
> >>> - `exhaustive-switch` (opting into exhaustiveness checking for
> statement
> >>> switches)
> >>> - `enum-class`, `annotation-class`, `record-class` (we might have
> chosen these
> >>> as an alternative to `enum` and `@interface`, had we had the
> option)
> >>> - `this-class` (to describe the class literal for the current class)
> >>> - `this-return` (a common request is a way to mark a setter or
> builder method
> >>> as returning its receiver)
> >>>
> >>> (Again, the point is not to debate the merits of any of these specific
> >>> examples; the point is merely to illustrate what we might be able to do
> >>> with such a mechanism.)
> >>>
> >>> Having this as an option doesn't mean we can't also use the other
> >>> approaches when they are suitable; it just means we have more, and
> >>> likely less fraught, options with which to make better decisions.
> >>>
> >>> There are likely to be other lexical schemes by which new keywords can
> >>> be created without impinging on existing code; this one seems credible
> >>> and reasonably parsable by both machines and humans.
> >>>
> >>> #### "But that's ugly"
> >>>
> >>> Invariably, some percentage of readers will have an immediate and
> >>> visceral reaction to this idea. Let's stipulate for the record that
> >>> some people will find this ugly. (At least, at first. Many such
> >>> reactions are possibly-transient (see what I did there?) responses
> >>> to unfamiliarity.)
> >>>
> >>>
>
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