From neal at gafter.com Wed Apr 9 23:17:00 2008 From: neal at gafter.com (Neal Gafter) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 23:17:00 -0700 Subject: Project Proposal: Closures for Java Message-ID: <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> Please reply to discuss at openjdk.java.net In accordance with the OpenJDK guidelines for projects http://openjdk.java.net/projects/ I hereby propose an openjdk project "Closures for Java". This project will be used for the development of the OpenJDK Community Innovators' Challenge proposal of the same name http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/challenge-discuss/2008-February/000047.html. Development as an OpenJDK project is required by the OpenJDK Challenge Rules http://openjdk.java.net/challenge/rules/. I propose this project be sponsored by the OpenJDK compiler group http://openjdk.java.net/groups/compiler/ and hereby call for votes on the formation of the project within the compiler group. I volunteer to be the moderator of the project. 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URL: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/challenge-discuss/attachments/20080409/c67e3836/attachment.html From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Thu Apr 10 00:17:40 2008 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Andrew John Hughes) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:17:40 +0100 Subject: Project Proposal: Closures for Java In-Reply-To: <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17c6771e0804100017ja869ff9nac34eb8fa0dca19f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/04/2008, Neal Gafter wrote: > Development as an OpenJDK project is required by the OpenJDK Challenge > Rules http://openjdk.java.net/challenge/rules/. > I don't see this in the challenge rules, and I don't see how it's possible, given that the project rules ( http://openjdk.java.net/projects/ ) state that a project proposal must be outlined by a group member, which the majority of finalists aren't. Keeping in line with the project rules is part of the challenge rules however. Thanks, -- Andrew :-) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From neal at gafter.com Thu Apr 10 07:49:49 2008 From: neal at gafter.com (Neal Gafter) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:49:49 -0700 Subject: Project Proposal: Closures for Java In-Reply-To: <17c6771e0804100017ja869ff9nac34eb8fa0dca19f@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> <17c6771e0804100017ja869ff9nac34eb8fa0dca19f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e8b9d20804100749q661db940v73a1eb568af7ddb7@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Andrew John Hughes < gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org> wrote: > On 10/04/2008, Neal Gafter wrote: > > > Development as an OpenJDK project is required by the OpenJDK Challenge > > Rules http://openjdk.java.net/challenge/rules/. > > > > I don't see this in the challenge rules, and I don't see how it's > possible, given that the project rules ( > http://openjdk.java.net/projects/ ) state that a project proposal must > be outlined by a group member, which the majority of finalists aren't. It is in section 3(D) of the rules: D. It must be carried out in accordance with the Community's governance as set forth in the Charter (*http://openjdk.java.net/legal/charter/*), and in the procedures for group (*http://openjdk.java.net/groups/*) and project (* http://openjdk.java.net/projects/*) initiation. The administrators of the challenge are proposing most projects on behalf of the challenge participants. > Keeping in line with the project rules is part of the challenge rules > however. > Yes. Project rules define how projects are created. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/challenge-discuss/attachments/20080410/341aea94/attachment.html From linuxhippy at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 08:30:27 2008 From: linuxhippy at gmail.com (Clemens Eisserer) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:30:27 +0200 Subject: Project Proposal: Closures for Java In-Reply-To: <15e8b9d20804100750v1441dbb7q5e36dd57a26eeb2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> <15e8b9d20804100750v1441dbb7q5e36dd57a26eeb2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <194f62550804100830s6cb91544qb230f21863c0e618@mail.gmail.com> This is just .... somehow strange 2008/4/10, Neal Gafter : > Vote: Yes From neal at gafter.com Thu Apr 10 09:56:06 2008 From: neal at gafter.com (Neal Gafter) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:56:06 -0700 Subject: Project Proposal: Closures for Java In-Reply-To: <194f62550804100830s6cb91544qb230f21863c0e618@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> <15e8b9d20804100750v1441dbb7q5e36dd57a26eeb2f@mail.gmail.com> <194f62550804100830s6cb91544qb230f21863c0e618@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15e8b9d20804100956j7ef291cbub553698315c2d59d@mail.gmail.com> Hey... what can I say? On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Clemens Eisserer wrote: > This is just .... somehow strange > > 2008/4/10, Neal Gafter : > > Vote: Yes > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/challenge-discuss/attachments/20080410/08b4d81d/attachment.html From Ray.Gans at Sun.COM Thu Apr 10 10:33:21 2008 From: Ray.Gans at Sun.COM (Ray Gans) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:33:21 -0700 Subject: Project Proposal: Closures for Java In-Reply-To: <15e8b9d20804100956j7ef291cbub553698315c2d59d@mail.gmail.com> References: <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> <15e8b9d20804100750v1441dbb7q5e36dd57a26eeb2f@mail.gmail.com> <194f62550804100830s6cb91544qb230f21863c0e618@mail.gmail.com> <15e8b9d20804100956j7ef291cbub553698315c2d59d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96DD8BC5-B85C-4CE2-B882-30305998ED09@sun.com> We would like to see the Innovators' Challenge projects reside in OpenJDK if possible. Rather than just blindly create them, however, we thought it best to follow the OpenJDK project creation process. Each of the selected proposals will be assigned a contact person in Sun engineering who will propose the project within a representative OpenJDK group and get it approved quickly. Neal, being an OpenJDK member, is able to propose his own project himself. So yes, a bit strange, but we didn't see any need to ignore the formal process. :-) -Ray On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Neal Gafter wrote: > Hey... what can I say? > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Clemens Eisserer > wrote: > This is just .... somehow strange > > 2008/4/10, Neal Gafter : > > Vote: Yes > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/challenge-discuss/attachments/20080410/75b8c028/attachment.html From mr at sun.com Thu Apr 10 10:36:00 2008 From: mr at sun.com (Mark Reinhold) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:36:00 -0700 Subject: Project Proposal: Closures for Java In-Reply-To: neal@gafter.com; Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:17:00 PDT; <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080410173600.5A52E5B65B@eggemoggin.niobe.net> > Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:17:00 -0700 > From: Neal Gafter > In accordance with the OpenJDK guidelines for projects > http://openjdk.java.net/projects/ I hereby propose an openjdk project > "Closures for Java". This project will be used for the development of the > OpenJDK Community Innovators' Challenge proposal of the same name > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/challenge-discuss/2008-February/000047.html. > Development as an OpenJDK project is required by the OpenJDK Challenge Rules > http://openjdk.java.net/challenge/rules/. I propose this project be > sponsored by the OpenJDK compiler group > http://openjdk.java.net/groups/compiler/ and hereby call for votes on the > formation of the project within the compiler group. I volunteer to be the > moderator of the project. > > Members of the compiler group: please vote on the creation of this project > by responding to discuss at openjdk.java.net. Thanks for this proposal. Two procedural points: - Proposals for new Projects and Groups should be sent only to the announce list. That list is configured to direct all replies to the discuss list. There's no need to send proposals to the discuss list, or to any other list; that just tends to create duplicate messages and difficult-to-follow multiple threads of discussion. - If a Group wishes to sponsor a Project then a vote should be called for, and held, on the Group's mailing list rather than on the general discuss list. The Moderator, in this case Jon Gibbons, should report the result of the vote in a reply, on the discuss list, to the original proposal. Most votes so far have run more or less along these lines, but these two points aren't made explicitly, or as explicitly as they could be, in the interim governance guidelines. I'll propose a revision for the IGB's review soon. - Mark From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Thu Apr 10 12:48:00 2008 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Andrew John Hughes) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:48:00 +0100 Subject: Project Proposal: Closures for Java In-Reply-To: <96DD8BC5-B85C-4CE2-B882-30305998ED09@sun.com> References: <15e8b9d20804092317y4bf81b73ie29c93b9b404958a@mail.gmail.com> <15e8b9d20804100750v1441dbb7q5e36dd57a26eeb2f@mail.gmail.com> <194f62550804100830s6cb91544qb230f21863c0e618@mail.gmail.com> <15e8b9d20804100956j7ef291cbub553698315c2d59d@mail.gmail.com> <96DD8BC5-B85C-4CE2-B882-30305998ED09@sun.com> Message-ID: <17c6771e0804101248i7195cf8bq202838d53e1fe075@mail.gmail.com> On 10/04/2008, Ray Gans wrote: > We would like to see the Innovators' Challenge projects reside in OpenJDK if > possible. Rather than just blindly create them, however, we thought it best > to follow the OpenJDK project creation process. Each of the selected > proposals will be assigned a contact person in Sun engineering who will > propose the project within a representative OpenJDK group and get it > approved quickly. Neal, being an OpenJDK member, is able to propose his own > project himself. > > So yes, a bit strange, but we didn't see any need to ignore the formal > process. :-) > > -Ray > > > On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Neal Gafter wrote: > Hey... what can I say? > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Clemens Eisserer > wrote: > > This is just .... somehow strange > > > > 2008/4/10, Neal Gafter : > > > Vote: Yes > > > > > Oh, I agree with this and think it's a good thing. It would be great to have an OpenJDK project. It's just when I saw Neal's mail I immediately thought two things: 1. Aaah I didn't know about this requirement (I still think that line says 'work within the rules' not that you must create a project...) 2. How do the rest of us do this? This has cleared that up and I look forward to seeing lots of new projects! -- Andrew :-) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8