From scolebourne at joda.org Tue Sep 9 16:13:32 2008 From: scolebourne at joda.org (Stephen Colebourne) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:13:32 +0100 Subject: Affadavit for OpenJDK challenge Message-ID: <48C7031C.905@joda.org> I wanted to place on public record my opposition to the legal statement that I have had to sign as part of the Open JDK challenge. "I hereby grant to the Sponsor the absolute right and permission to use my name, address and/or photograph in any and all advertising and promotional materials, or to refrain from doing so, in any manner or media whatsoever, worldwide, for advertising and promotional purposes in conjunction with promotions for the Contest without notice to me and without further compensation. I shall have no right of approval, no claim to any compensation, and no claim arising out of the use, alteration, distortion or illusionary effect or use in any composite form of my name, address, photograph or likeness." Specifically, I object in the strongest terms to giving Sun Microsystems full and absolute rights to publish my entire private home address as they see fit. I don't know whether this was just bad legalese, or whether privacy means less in the US, but signing this has been a big deal for me. (It is possible that this is a legal requrement for competitions, and if so then I withdraw the complaint). I hope this email serves as a warning to any other challenge entrant as to exactly how much they are signing away. Should the challenge concept be repeated, I would ask that this clause (address) be reviewed. thanks for listening, Stephen From misterm at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 14:03:51 2008 From: misterm at gmail.com (Michael Nascimento) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:03:51 -0200 Subject: Affadavit for OpenJDK challenge In-Reply-To: <48C7031C.905@joda.org> References: <48C7031C.905@joda.org> Message-ID: <389b9d740809151403v2268ca9fue3a42decb901b1a@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I feel the same about it. Looking forward to hearing some feedback from you, guys. Regards, Michael On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Stephen Colebourne wrote: > I wanted to place on public record my opposition to the legal statement that > I have had to sign as part of the Open JDK challenge. > > "I hereby grant to the Sponsor the absolute right and permission to use my > name, address and/or photograph in any and all advertising and promotional > materials, or to refrain from doing so, in any manner or media whatsoever, > worldwide, for advertising and promotional purposes in conjunction with > promotions for the Contest without notice to me and without further > compensation. I shall have no right of approval, no claim to any > compensation, and no claim arising out of the use, alteration, distortion or > illusionary effect or use in any composite form of my name, address, > photograph or likeness." > > Specifically, I object in the strongest terms to giving Sun Microsystems > full and absolute rights to publish my entire private home address as they > see fit. I don't know whether this was just bad legalese, or whether privacy > means less in the US, but signing this has been a big deal for me. (It is > possible that this is a legal requrement for competitions, and if so then I > withdraw the complaint). > > I hope this email serves as a warning to any other challenge entrant as to > exactly how much they are signing away. Should the challenge concept be > repeated, I would ask that this clause (address) be reviewed. > > thanks for listening, > Stephen > From Ray.Gans at Sun.COM Tue Sep 16 15:36:52 2008 From: Ray.Gans at Sun.COM (Ray Gans) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:36:52 -0700 Subject: Affadavit for OpenJDK challenge In-Reply-To: <389b9d740809151403v2268ca9fue3a42decb901b1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C7031C.905@joda.org> <389b9d740809151403v2268ca9fue3a42decb901b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Michael, I've checked with the folks administrating the contest and they said there is no reason or expectation to ever publish private home addresses. I was told that the request for the right to use the addresses of the winners is just standard practice and has not been an issue in the past. No one has been able to tell me why it is "standard practice" but they promised to revisit the language for the next contest we do. Sun does want the ability to publish the country and state of the winners (and perhaps the city), however, as part of the press announcements. Hope this helps. -Ray On Sep 15, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Michael Nascimento wrote: > Yes, I feel the same about it. Looking forward to hearing some > feedback from you, guys. > > Regards, > Michael > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Stephen Colebourne > wrote: >> I wanted to place on public record my opposition to the legal >> statement that >> I have had to sign as part of the Open JDK challenge. >> >> "I hereby grant to the Sponsor the absolute right and permission to >> use my >> name, address and/or photograph in any and all advertising and >> promotional >> materials, or to refrain from doing so, in any manner or media >> whatsoever, >> worldwide, for advertising and promotional purposes in conjunction >> with >> promotions for the Contest without notice to me and without further >> compensation. I shall have no right of approval, no claim to any >> compensation, and no claim arising out of the use, alteration, >> distortion or >> illusionary effect or use in any composite form of my name, address, >> photograph or likeness." >> >> Specifically, I object in the strongest terms to giving Sun >> Microsystems >> full and absolute rights to publish my entire private home address >> as they >> see fit. I don't know whether this was just bad legalese, or >> whether privacy >> means less in the US, but signing this has been a big deal for me. >> (It is >> possible that this is a legal requrement for competitions, and if >> so then I >> withdraw the complaint). >> >> I hope this email serves as a warning to any other challenge >> entrant as to >> exactly how much they are signing away. Should the challenge >> concept be >> repeated, I would ask that this clause (address) be reviewed. >> >> thanks for listening, >> Stephen >> From scolebourne at joda.org Wed Sep 17 12:52:59 2008 From: scolebourne at joda.org (Stephen Colebourne) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:52:59 +0100 Subject: Affadavit for OpenJDK challenge In-Reply-To: References: <48C7031C.905@joda.org> <389b9d740809151403v2268ca9fue3a42decb901b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D1601B.1080108@joda.org> Hi, Thanks for the public clarification. I suspect most people don't read the small print of what they sign, but I try to. Certainly this clause is one that should be reviewed for the future. thanks, Stephen Ray Gans wrote: > Hi Stephen, Michael, > > I've checked with the folks administrating the contest and they said > there is no reason or expectation to ever publish private home > addresses. I was told that the request for the right to use the > addresses of the winners is just standard practice and has not been an > issue in the past. No one has been able to tell me why it is "standard > practice" but they promised to revisit the language for the next contest > we do. > > Sun does want the ability to publish the country and state of the > winners (and perhaps the city), however, as part of the press > announcements. > > Hope this helps. > > -Ray > > On Sep 15, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Michael Nascimento wrote: > >> Yes, I feel the same about it. Looking forward to hearing some >> feedback from you, guys. >> >> Regards, >> Michael >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Stephen Colebourne >> wrote: >>> I wanted to place on public record my opposition to the legal >>> statement that >>> I have had to sign as part of the Open JDK challenge. >>> >>> "I hereby grant to the Sponsor the absolute right and permission to >>> use my >>> name, address and/or photograph in any and all advertising and >>> promotional >>> materials, or to refrain from doing so, in any manner or media >>> whatsoever, >>> worldwide, for advertising and promotional purposes in conjunction with >>> promotions for the Contest without notice to me and without further >>> compensation. I shall have no right of approval, no claim to any >>> compensation, and no claim arising out of the use, alteration, >>> distortion or >>> illusionary effect or use in any composite form of my name, address, >>> photograph or likeness." >>> >>> Specifically, I object in the strongest terms to giving Sun Microsystems >>> full and absolute rights to publish my entire private home address as >>> they >>> see fit. I don't know whether this was just bad legalese, or whether >>> privacy >>> means less in the US, but signing this has been a big deal for me. >>> (It is >>> possible that this is a legal requrement for competitions, and if so >>> then I >>> withdraw the complaint). >>> >>> I hope this email serves as a warning to any other challenge entrant >>> as to >>> exactly how much they are signing away. Should the challenge concept be >>> repeated, I would ask that this clause (address) be reviewed. >>> >>> thanks for listening, >>> Stephen >>> > > From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Wed Sep 17 14:50:28 2008 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Andrew John Hughes) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:50:28 +0100 Subject: Affadavit for OpenJDK challenge In-Reply-To: <48D1601B.1080108@joda.org> References: <48C7031C.905@joda.org> <389b9d740809151403v2268ca9fue3a42decb901b1a@mail.gmail.com> <48D1601B.1080108@joda.org> Message-ID: <17c6771e0809171450w4d95fdaex490f4c5ec8d34683@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/17 Stephen Colebourne : > Hi, > Thanks for the public clarification. I suspect most people don't read the > small print of what they sign, but I try to. Certainly this clause is one > that should be reviewed for the future. > > thanks, > Stephen > > Ray Gans wrote: >> >> Hi Stephen, Michael, >> >> I've checked with the folks administrating the contest and they said there >> is no reason or expectation to ever publish private home addresses. I was >> told that the request for the right to use the addresses of the winners is >> just standard practice and has not been an issue in the past. No one has >> been able to tell me why it is "standard practice" but they promised to >> revisit the language for the next contest we do. >> >> Sun does want the ability to publish the country and state of the winners >> (and perhaps the city), however, as part of the press announcements. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> -Ray >> >> On Sep 15, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Michael Nascimento wrote: >> >>> Yes, I feel the same about it. Looking forward to hearing some >>> feedback from you, guys. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Michael >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Stephen Colebourne >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wanted to place on public record my opposition to the legal statement >>>> that >>>> I have had to sign as part of the Open JDK challenge. >>>> >>>> "I hereby grant to the Sponsor the absolute right and permission to use >>>> my >>>> name, address and/or photograph in any and all advertising and >>>> promotional >>>> materials, or to refrain from doing so, in any manner or media >>>> whatsoever, >>>> worldwide, for advertising and promotional purposes in conjunction with >>>> promotions for the Contest without notice to me and without further >>>> compensation. I shall have no right of approval, no claim to any >>>> compensation, and no claim arising out of the use, alteration, >>>> distortion or >>>> illusionary effect or use in any composite form of my name, address, >>>> photograph or likeness." >>>> >>>> Specifically, I object in the strongest terms to giving Sun Microsystems >>>> full and absolute rights to publish my entire private home address as >>>> they >>>> see fit. I don't know whether this was just bad legalese, or whether >>>> privacy >>>> means less in the US, but signing this has been a big deal for me. (It >>>> is >>>> possible that this is a legal requrement for competitions, and if so >>>> then I >>>> withdraw the complaint). >>>> >>>> I hope this email serves as a warning to any other challenge entrant as >>>> to >>>> exactly how much they are signing away. Should the challenge concept be >>>> repeated, I would ask that this clause (address) be reviewed. >>>> >>>> thanks for listening, >>>> Stephen >>>> >> >> > FWIW, I read this and was also a little concerned. However, the deadline for signing this was not really enough to spend time going over the finer details. I don't remember but I probably used my uni address for this reason. It does seem to have taken a while for it to be mentioned here. I agree it would be nice to see this made clearer in future competitions. -- Andrew :-) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From Ray.Gans at Sun.COM Mon Sep 29 15:07:39 2008 From: Ray.Gans at Sun.COM (Ray Gans) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:07:39 -0700 Subject: OpenJDK Community Innovators' Challenge Awards Announced Message-ID: <8DB8DC12-AD4E-4F59-A370-40B71686FE2C@sun.com> Today Sun announced the winning projects of the OpenJDK Community Innovators' Challenge Awards at Sun Tech Days Sao Paulo, Brazil. http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-09/sunflash.20080929.3.xml The winners are: GOLD: Implement XRender pipeline for Java2D - Clemens Eisserer SILVER: Closures for Java - Neal Gafter BRONZE: Provide date and time library from JSR-310 - Stephen Colebourne, Michael Nascimento Santos BRONZE: Portable GUI backends - Roman Kennke, Mario Torre More information about the Innovators' Challenge can be found here: http://openjdk.java.net/challenge/ Congratulations to the winners and thanks to everyone who participated through projects, proposals and feedback! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Mario From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Mon Sep 29 17:42:26 2008 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Andrew John Hughes) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:42:26 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK Community Innovators' Challenge Awards Announced In-Reply-To: <1222726446.2957.16.camel@nirvana> References: <8DB8DC12-AD4E-4F59-A370-40B71686FE2C@sun.com> <1222726446.2957.16.camel@nirvana> Message-ID: <20080930004226.GD1303@rivendell.middle-earth.co.uk> On 00:14 Tue 30 Sep , Mario Torre wrote: > Il giorno lun, 29/09/2008 alle 15.07 -0700, Ray Gans ha scritto: > > > > Congratulations to the winners and thanks to everyone who participated > > through projects, proposals and feedback! > > > Ray, thanks to you for your great job! > > And congratulations to all the winners and finalists! > > Cheers, > Mario > Will there be any explanation of how the finalists were judged? I'd be interested to know why one project got 'bronze' and another got 'gold' for example. Thanks, -- Andrew :) Support Free Java! 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Andrew John Hughes wrote: > Will there be any explanation of how the finalists were judged? > I'd be interested to know why one project got 'bronze' and another > got 'gold' for example. > > Thanks, From Ray.Gans at Sun.COM Tue Sep 30 12:31:16 2008 From: Ray.Gans at Sun.COM (Ray Gans) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:31:16 -0700 Subject: OpenJDK Community Innovators' Challenge Awards Announced In-Reply-To: <48E22C0D.7030304@jazillian.com> References: <8DB8DC12-AD4E-4F59-A370-40B71686FE2C@sun.com> <1222726446.2957.16.camel@nirvana> <20080930004226.GD1303@rivendell.middle-earth.co.uk> <48E22C0D.7030304@jazillian.com> Message-ID: <84209EC9-4EA0-4980-B04F-189A04336725@sun.com> I won't justify the decisions of the judges or mention any specifics, but the process used was to first determine if the finalists completed the deliverables listed in their proposals and that they met all other requirements of the contest rules [1], For those that did, and by using the materials presented as their Final Project submissions, each project was evaluated by the judges for technical merit and value to the community. Ranking was established through discussion and weightings defined by the contest rules. The results were one first place winner, one second place winner and two tied for third place. -Ray 1. http://openjdk.java.net/challenge/rules/ On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Andy Tripp wrote: > I'd also be interested to know why the non-winners were not eligible. > > > Andrew John Hughes wrote: >> Will there be any explanation of how the finalists were judged? >> I'd be interested to know why one project got 'bronze' and another >> got 'gold' for example. >> Thanks, > From openjdk at jazillian.com Tue Sep 30 15:22:34 2008 From: openjdk at jazillian.com (Andy Tripp) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:22:34 -0400 Subject: OpenJDK Community Innovators' Challenge Awards Announced In-Reply-To: <84209EC9-4EA0-4980-B04F-189A04336725@sun.com> References: <8DB8DC12-AD4E-4F59-A370-40B71686FE2C@sun.com> <1222726446.2957.16.camel@nirvana> <20080930004226.GD1303@rivendell.middle-earth.co.uk> <48E22C0D.7030304@jazillian.com> <84209EC9-4EA0-4980-B04F-189A04336725@sun.com> Message-ID: <48E2A6AA.20103@jazillian.com> Thanks Ray, The reason I asked is so that people who might be interested in applying next year (if there is one) can be aware of where they need to be careful about. As a casual observer, it looked like all the submissions were complete. I'd hate to apply next year and do the work, only to find that it's not considered by Sun to be complete. Congratulations on a well run contest! Andy Ray Gans wrote: > I won't justify the decisions of the judges or mention any specifics, > but the process used was to first determine if the finalists completed > the deliverables listed in their proposals and that they met all other > requirements of the contest rules [1], For those that did, and by using > the materials presented as their Final Project submissions, each project > was evaluated by the judges for technical merit and value to the > community. Ranking was established through discussion and weightings > defined by the contest rules. The results were one first place winner, > one second place winner and two tied for third place. > > -Ray > > 1. http://openjdk.java.net/challenge/rules/ > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Andy Tripp wrote: > >> I'd also be interested to know why the non-winners were not eligible. >> >> >> Andrew John Hughes wrote: >>> Will there be any explanation of how the finalists were judged? >>> I'd be interested to know why one project got 'bronze' and another >>> got 'gold' for example. >>> Thanks, >> >