From Xiomara.Jayasena at Sun.COM  Thu Jul  3 23:57:57 2008
From: Xiomara.Jayasena at Sun.COM (Xiomara Jayasena)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:57:57 -0700
Subject: JDK 7 build 30  is available at the openjdk.java.net website
Message-ID: <486D6785.7050401@sun.com>



The OpenJDK source is available at:
http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7/jdk7
http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7/jdk7/rev/2dab2f712e18

The OpenJDK source binary plugs for the promoted JDK 7 build 30 are 
available under the openjdk http://openjdk.java.net website under Source 
Code (direct link to bundles: http://download.java.net/openjdk/jdk7)

Summary of changes:
http://download.java.net/jdk7/changes/jdk7-b30.html

-Xiomara




From linuxhippy at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 23:58:05 2008
From: linuxhippy at gmail.com (Clemens Eisserer)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:58:05 +0200
Subject: Access to OpenJDK mercurial repository
Message-ID: <194f62550807151658w1c48cbdbx99e5d70acf3b48c2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I wonder how I can get  access to the repository of the located at
http://openjdk.java.net/projects/xrender/ ?
Do I have to ask somewhere for the permissions?
I have some sources to upload, although there is still a lot of work
left I think it would be a good idea to let others participiate.

Thank you in advance, Clemens


From David.Herron at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 16 00:12:34 2008
From: David.Herron at Sun.COM (David Herron)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:12:34 -0700
Subject: Access to OpenJDK mercurial repository
In-Reply-To: <194f62550807151658w1c48cbdbx99e5d70acf3b48c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194f62550807151658w1c48cbdbx99e5d70acf3b48c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487D3CF2.60106@sun.com>

Clemens Eisserer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wonder how I can get  access to the repository of the located at
> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/xrender/ ?
> Do I have to ask somewhere for the permissions?
> I have some sources to upload, although there is still a lot of work
> left I think it would be a good idea to let others participiate.
>
> Thank you in advance, Clemens
>   

http://hg.openjdk.java.net/

Scroll down to the bottom

This is probably implied but not explicitly said by the discussion in 
the OpenJDK developers guide.

- David Herron



From mr at sun.com  Wed Jul 16 02:58:58 2008
From: mr at sun.com (Mark Reinhold)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:58:58 -0700
Subject: Access to OpenJDK mercurial repository 
In-Reply-To: linuxhippy@gmail.com; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:58:05 +0200;
	<194f62550807151658w1c48cbdbx99e5d70acf3b48c2@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <20080716025858.2E7712BB14@callebaut.niobe.net>

> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:58:05 +0200
> From: Clemens Eisserer <linuxhippy at gmail.com>

> I wonder how I can get  access to the repository of the located at
> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/xrender/ ?
> Do I have to ask somewhere for the permissions?
> I have some sources to upload, although there is still a lot of work
> left I think it would be a good idea to let others participiate.

This is your Project, after all, so of course you should have access!

You'll shortly receive an e-mail invitation to register in the OpenJDK
infrastructure; once you accept it then you should be good to go.

(That should've been sent to you earlier, when the XRender Project was
 approved, but apparently that didn't happen; sorry.) 

The actual URL, as David suggested, is:

    http://hg.openjdk.java.net/xrender/xrender/

which is a complete JDK Mercurial forest, i.e., identical in structure to

    http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7/jdk7

- Mark


From linuxhippy at gmail.com  Wed Jul 16 08:22:28 2008
From: linuxhippy at gmail.com (Clemens Eisserer)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:22:28 +0200
Subject: Access to OpenJDK mercurial repository
In-Reply-To: <194f62550807160122t4d299eacl826bc2bb0314eea0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194f62550807151658w1c48cbdbx99e5d70acf3b48c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080716025858.2E7712BB14@callebaut.niobe.net>
	<194f62550807160122t4d299eacl826bc2bb0314eea0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <194f62550807160122y677c97f9y9a267dbeede25798@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

> This is your Project, after all, so of course you should have access!
>
> You'll shortly receive an e-mail invitation to register in the OpenJDK
> infrastructure; once you accept it then you should be good to go.
Thanks a lot, already signed up :)

> (That should've been sent to you earlier, when the XRender Project was
>  approved, but apparently that didn't happen; sorry.)
No problem, thanks for the quick response.

Thanks, Clemens


From Xiomara.Jayasena at Sun.COM  Fri Jul 18 05:39:42 2008
From: Xiomara.Jayasena at Sun.COM (Xiomara Jayasena)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:39:42 -0700
Subject: JDK 7 build 31  is available at the openjdk.java.net website
Message-ID: <48802C9E.7090708@sun.com>



The OpenJDK source is available at:
http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7/jdk7
http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7/jdk7/rev/3300a35a0bd5

The OpenJDK source binary plugs for the promoted JDK 7 build 31 are 
available under the openjdk http://openjdk.java.net website under Source 
Code (direct link to bundles: http://download.java.net/openjdk/jdk7)

Summary of changes:
http://download.java.net/jdk7/changes/jdk7-b31.html

-Xiomara





From brian at matzon.dk  Wed Jul 30 23:18:39 2008
From: brian at matzon.dk (Brian Matzon)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:18:39 +0200
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
Message-ID: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>

Hi all

I talked to 'robilad' on IRC and he asked me to send this to the discuss 
list.

I would like to get confirmation for running an IRC logging service in 
the irc channel.

The service has been running for several other projects such as 
#eclipse, #haiku, #macports and others - and provides an invaluable 
resource for getting information about projects and issues within.

I realize that some people do not like logs being published, which is 
why I wanted to confirm this before publishing anything.

This is a personal project and hold no commercial interrest. The logs 
are exportable.

The logs will be available at: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?openjdk 
(awaiting confirmation before being available).

Kind Regards
Brian Matzon




From David.Herron at Sun.COM  Wed Jul 30 23:30:55 2008
From: David.Herron at Sun.COM (David Herron)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:30:55 -0700
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>
Message-ID: <4890F9AF.8010705@sun.com>

Brian Matzon wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I talked to 'robilad' on IRC and he asked me to send this to the 
> discuss list.
>
> I would like to get confirmation for running an IRC logging service in 
> the irc channel.
>
> The service has been running for several other projects such as 
> #eclipse, #haiku, #macports and others - and provides an invaluable 
> resource for getting information about projects and issues within.
>
> I realize that some people do not like logs being published, which is 
> why I wanted to confirm this before publishing anything.
>
> This is a personal project and hold no commercial interrest. The logs 
> are exportable.
>
> The logs will be available at: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?openjdk 
> (awaiting confirmation before being available).
>
> Kind Regards
> Brian Matzon
>
>

I remember being told in November 2006, when we launched that IRC 
channel, that we would not be logging the channel's content.  But I 
don't remember any reasoning or even quite who said this.

I can understand why some wouldn't want logs to be kept but I do agree 
it would be useful to do so.


- David Herron



From aph at redhat.com  Thu Jul 31 08:44:18 2008
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:44:18 +0100
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <4890F9AF.8010705@sun.com>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk> <4890F9AF.8010705@sun.com>
Message-ID: <48917B62.7090004@redhat.com>

David Herron wrote:
> Brian Matzon wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I talked to 'robilad' on IRC and he asked me to send this to the
>> discuss list.
>>
>> I would like to get confirmation for running an IRC logging service in
>> the irc channel.
>>
>> The service has been running for several other projects such as
>> #eclipse, #haiku, #macports and others - and provides an invaluable
>> resource for getting information about projects and issues within.

I doubt it, frankly.

>> I realize that some people do not like logs being published, which is
>> why I wanted to confirm this before publishing anything.

Some people are sometime intemperate.  This includes me.  The one
saving grace about IRC is that there aren't usually public logs.

>> This is a personal project and hold no commercial interrest. The logs
>> are exportable.
>>
>> The logs will be available at: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?openjdk
>> (awaiting confirmation before being available).

> I remember being told in November 2006, when we launched that IRC
> channel, that we would not be logging the channel's content.  But I
> don't remember any reasoning or even quite who said this.

See above.

I don't think this is a good idea.

Andrew.


From Svante.Schubert at Sun.COM  Thu Jul 31 08:56:57 2008
From: Svante.Schubert at Sun.COM (Svante Schubert)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:56:57 +0200
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <48917B62.7090004@redhat.com>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk> <4890F9AF.8010705@sun.com>
	<48917B62.7090004@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <48917E59.7040207@sun.com>



Andrew Haley wrote:
> David Herron wrote:
>   
>> Brian Matzon wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I talked to 'robilad' on IRC and he asked me to send this to the
>>> discuss list.
>>>
>>> I would like to get confirmation for running an IRC logging service in
>>> the irc channel.
>>>
>>> The service has been running for several other projects such as
>>> #eclipse, #haiku, #macports and others - and provides an invaluable
>>> resource for getting information about projects and issues within.
>>>       
>
> I doubt it, frankly.
>
>   
>>> I realize that some people do not like logs being published, which is
>>> why I wanted to confirm this before publishing anything.
>>>       
>
> Some people are sometime intemperate.  This includes me.  The one
> saving grace about IRC is that there aren't usually public logs.
>   
In the W3C all meetings are held with an IRC and logs are available.
For the semantic web group the logs are always public available and I 
used the search of the IRC logs often.
If overall advantage if you give advice, you do not have to repeat it on 
the next day, but can refer to the log.

You might want to mention the logging in the title subject, when 
entering the IRC channel, so someone as Andrew, who does not really like 
logging, can be aware that it is a logged channel.

my 2 cents,
Svante



From mark at klomp.org  Thu Jul 31 09:54:44 2008
From: mark at klomp.org (Mark Wielaard)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:54:44 +0200
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>
Message-ID: <1217498084.14411.8.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org>

Hi Brian,

On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 01:18 +0200, Brian Matzon wrote:
> I realize that some people do not like logs being published, which is 
> why I wanted to confirm this before publishing anything.
> 
> This is a personal project and hold no commercial interrest. The logs 
> are exportable.

I wouldn't mind logging when there are official meetings on irc. But as
far as I can tell the #openjdk irc room is just a social channel. More
like a water cooler where hackers come and go and exchange random
stories about daily life. Personally I would avoid the random chatter
(that I really enjoy a lot) if I would know that the channel was
systematically logged and publicly published (yes, I know there are
probably people who keep logs of the channel anyway, but at least I know
they will not arbitrarily publish the publicly without asking for
permission first).

In general if people feel the chatter on #openjdk is so important that
it should be shared more, then maybe we can ask people to summarize on
the mailinglist. But as far as I know this already happens because
decisions should be made publicly on the mailinglist.

I believe there is another channel, that is more formal
#open-source-java we might make that the officially logged channel that
people can move to whenever they want to discuss anything "official"
that should be logged? But if it is so official then it should just be
posted on the mailinglist imho.

Cheers,

Mark



From neugens at limasoftware.net  Thu Jul 31 11:13:09 2008
From: neugens at limasoftware.net (Mario Torre)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:13:09 +0200
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <1217498084.14411.8.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>
	<1217498084.14411.8.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org>
Message-ID: <1217502789.2952.7.camel@nirvana>

Il giorno gio, 31/07/2008 alle 11.54 +0200, Mark Wielaard ha scritto:
> Hi Brian,

Hi Brian!

> I wouldn't mind logging when there are official meetings on irc. But
> as

Agree.

> far as I can tell the #openjdk irc room is just a social channel. More
> like a water cooler where hackers come and go and exchange random
> stories about daily life.

+1

And kid on people. A log maybe misunderstood, the context may not be
clear if not reading something referenced maybe days back.

>  Personally I would avoid the random chatter
> (that I really enjoy a lot) if I would know that the channel was
> systematically logged and publicly published (yes, I know there are
> probably people who keep logs of the channel anyway, but at least I
> know
> they will not arbitrarily publish the publicly without asking for
> permission first).

+1.

Private logging are ok, publishing snippets with the permission of the
involved people is ok, public logging on a channel that is used mostly
of chatting is nono for me. Just my personal opinion, of course.

> In general if people feel the chatter on #openjdk is so important that
> it should be shared more, then maybe we can ask people to summarize on
> the mailinglist. But as far as I know this already happens because
> decisions should be made publicly on the mailinglist.

+1

> I believe there is another channel, that is more formal
> #open-source-java we might make that the officially logged channel that
> people can move to whenever they want to discuss anything "official"
> that should be logged? But if it is so official then it should just be
> posted on the mailinglist imho.

+1

> Cheers,
> 
> Mark

+1 :)

Mario



From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org  Thu Jul 31 14:35:30 2008
From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Andrew John Hughes)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:35:30 +0100
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <1217498084.14411.8.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>
	<1217498084.14411.8.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org>
Message-ID: <17c6771e0807310735w61cf781le53936d3c5d6f7e7@mail.gmail.com>

On 31/07/2008, Mark Wielaard <mark at klomp.org> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
>
>  On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 01:18 +0200, Brian Matzon wrote:
>  > I realize that some people do not like logs being published, which is
>  > why I wanted to confirm this before publishing anything.
>  >
>  > This is a personal project and hold no commercial interest. The logs
>  > are exportable.
>
>
> I wouldn't mind logging when there are official meetings on irc.

Agreed, as long as this is clearly announced with the meeting and
terminates at the meeting's conclusion.

But as
>  far as I can tell the #openjdk irc room is just a social channel. More
>  like a water cooler where hackers come and go and exchange random
>  stories about daily life. Personally I would avoid the random chatter
>  (that I really enjoy a lot) if I would know that the channel was
>  systematically logged and publicly published

Same goes for me.  We've been treating #openjdk in the same manner as
#classpath on FreeNode (sometimes I even miss the difference...).
This wasn't immediate but happened over time as people started working
on IcedTea.  I for one would revert to #classpath for most use if
#openjdk was logged.

 (yes, I know there are
>  probably people who keep logs of the channel anyway, but at least I know
>  they will not arbitrarily publish the publicly without asking for
>  permission first).
>

FWIW, I do have my own private logs of the channels for my own use,
which have occasionally come in useful (this is rare, maybe 2-3 times
over 4 years, and it's usually for a useful URL).  Most of the time I
forgot I'm logging.  This doesn't mean I agree with a brute-force
log-everything approach and I'd never make such logs public without
permission of all involved.

>  In general if people feel the chatter on #openjdk is so important that
>  it should be shared more, then maybe we can ask people to summarize on
>  the mailinglist. But as far as I know this already happens because
>  decisions should be made publicly on the mailinglist.
>

If something is missed through conversation on IRC, this is a fault of
those involved.  The conversation should be summarised on the mailing
list if useful and the end decision taken there.  This has been our
general policy so far.

>  I believe there is another channel, that is more formal
>  #open-source-java we might make that the officially logged channel that
>  people can move to whenever they want to discuss anything "official"
>  that should be logged? But if it is so official then it should just be
>  posted on the mailinglist imho.
>

We could have that channel as a formal logged meetings channel, though
I'd prefer it be called #free-java ;)

>  Cheers,
>
>
>  Mark
>
>

Cheers,
-- 
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From brian at matzon.dk  Thu Jul 31 15:54:08 2008
From: brian at matzon.dk (Brian Matzon)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:54:08 +0200
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <17c6771e0807310735w61cf781le53936d3c5d6f7e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>	
	<1217498084.14411.8.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org>
	<17c6771e0807310735w61cf781le53936d3c5d6f7e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4891E020.9020507@matzon.dk>

Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> Agreed, as long as this is clearly announced with the meeting and
> terminates at the meeting's conclusion.
>   
I am at this time, not able to provide an interface for turning on and 
off when logging should occur.

/matzon


From brian at matzon.dk  Thu Jul 31 15:57:26 2008
From: brian at matzon.dk (Brian Matzon)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:57:26 +0200
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <48917B62.7090004@redhat.com>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk> <4890F9AF.8010705@sun.com>
	<48917B62.7090004@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4891E0E6.7030400@matzon.dk>

Andrew Haley wrote:
> David Herron wrote:
>   
>> Brian Matzon wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I talked to 'robilad' on IRC and he asked me to send this to the
>>> discuss list.
>>>
>>> I would like to get confirmation for running an IRC logging service in
>>> the irc channel.
>>>
>>> The service has been running for several other projects such as
>>> #eclipse, #haiku, #macports and others - and provides an invaluable
>>> resource for getting information about projects and issues within.
>>>       
>
> I doubt it, frankly.
>   
You are welcome to doubt how your usage pattern will have a benefit from 
this service - but the user I have talked to value it a lot, and often 
use it to refer to discussions or solutions to problems - even bug reports.

/matzon


From mr at sun.com  Thu Jul 31 16:00:01 2008
From: mr at sun.com (Mark Reinhold)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:00:01 -0700
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk 
In-Reply-To: mark@klomp.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:54:44 +0200;
	<1217498084.14411.8.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org> 
Message-ID: <20080731160001.F27D15B97@eggemoggin.niobe.net>

I tend to agree with what Andrew, Mark, Mario, and Andrew have said.
Logging an IRC channel turns it into a more formal, less spontaneous
forum, and #openjdk has so far been pleasantly informal.

- Mark


From Onno.Kluyt at Sun.COM  Thu Jul 31 16:14:09 2008
From: Onno.Kluyt at Sun.COM (Onno Kluyt)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:14:09 -0400
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <20080731160001.F27D15B97@eggemoggin.niobe.net>
References: <20080731160001.F27D15B97@eggemoggin.niobe.net>
Message-ID: <E3A49B9E-F3A5-4323-B94F-518F394D6336@sun.com>

I agree.

When we have specific, scheduled meetings on the channel then I can  
see the value of logs but for the normal, informal conversations on  
the channel I don't think logging would be appropriate.

Onno.

On Jul 31, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Mark Reinhold wrote:

> I tend to agree with what Andrew, Mark, Mario, and Andrew have said.
> Logging an IRC channel turns it into a more formal, less spontaneous
> forum, and #openjdk has so far been pleasantly informal.
>
> - Mark



From brian at matzon.dk  Thu Jul 31 18:31:24 2008
From: brian at matzon.dk (Brian Matzon)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:31:24 +0200
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <20080731160001.F27D15B97@eggemoggin.niobe.net>
References: <20080731160001.F27D15B97@eggemoggin.niobe.net>
Message-ID: <489204FC.6040704@matzon.dk>

Mark Reinhold wrote:
> I tend to agree with what Andrew, Mark, Mario, and Andrew have said.
> Logging an IRC channel turns it into a more formal, less spontaneous
> forum, and #openjdk has so far been pleasantly informal.
>   
I must admit that I am a fair bit flabbergasted by the response so far. 
It is the first time I have met such a "resistance" against this service.
 From the collective 45+ years of logs I have from different channels, 
there has never been any change of behavior because logging has been 
"enabled".

However, it is not my choice on how to proceed - so I will of course 
respect the opinions that have been voiced so far.

Unless a gash of positive replies are inbound, I will assume that the 
service is unwelcome and I will part the bot, and continue to refrain 
from publishing the logs.

Cheers
/matzon


From neugens at limasoftware.net  Thu Jul 31 19:40:06 2008
From: neugens at limasoftware.net (Mario Torre)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:40:06 +0200
Subject: IRC logging of #openjdk
In-Reply-To: <4891E020.9020507@matzon.dk>
References: <4890F6CF.10006@matzon.dk>
	<1217498084.14411.8.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org>
	<17c6771e0807310735w61cf781le53936d3c5d6f7e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4891E020.9020507@matzon.dk>
Message-ID: <1217533206.3046.4.camel@nirvana>

Il giorno gio, 31/07/2008 alle 17.54 +0200, Brian Matzon ha scritto:

> I am at this time, not able to provide an interface for turning on and 
> off when logging should occur.

So, I guess, it should not. But don't take it on a personal level,
please. We all have logs to some degree, you can ask the list if you
missed a very useful discussion on how to run openjdk on vxworks, we
will surely help.

> /matzon

Mario