From ken.gentry at gilbarco.com Mon Nov 1 12:54:44 2010 From: ken.gentry at gilbarco.com (kg5000) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 05:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ Message-ID: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> Has anyone tried the Windows build of OpenJDK 1.6.0_p20 @ http://www.openscg.com/se/ ? Our team has put this on one test system to see how it behaves and so far so good. Running on Windows XP Professional SP3. Anyone ever heard of the Open Source Computing Group? This is a consulting company that built it and is making it available for download. Ken -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Found-OpenJDK-6-windows-build-at-www.openscg.com-se--tp30087990p30087990.html Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From denisl at openscg.com Mon Nov 1 19:19:26 2010 From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:19:26 -0400 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 8:54 AM, kg5000 wrote: > > Has anyone tried the Windows build of OpenJDK 1.6.0_p20 @ > http://www.openscg.com/se/ ? > Hi Ken, My name is Denis Lussier and I am the Founder and Chief Architect of OpenSCG, Inc. Prior to Founding OpenSCG last year I founded EnterpriseDB and still serve on their Board of Directors. We have been reliably building cross platform OpenJDK 6 Binaries for about a year now. These binaries are very high quality and are carefully & consistently built following the build procedures outlined by the OpenJDK project. The OpenJDK 6 project is rock solid thanks to contributions from companies like Redhat, Google, Oracle and little companies like OpenSCG. OpenSCG makes cross-platform binaries available that Sun (& now Oracle) choose not too on the official OpenJDK site. The packaging strategy is very similar to Oracle's Proprietary JDK and we presently offer four distributions as follows: OpenJDK 6 - Win32 - Build 20 ====================== Built using Windows 2000 and Visual Studio 2003 (just like the proprietary JDK). We also compile with the latest and greatest Freetype (with bytecode hinting). In the upcoming Build 21 we will be including Visual VM. OpenJDK 6 - Linux x86 32 & 64 Bit - Build 20 ================================= These are carefully built on CentOS 4 so that they can be installed an any modern linux 2.6 distribution. In the upcoming Build 21 we will be including Visual VM. OpenJDK 6 - OSX 32-bit - Build 16 ========================== This one is a little outdated, but there is lots of renewed interest these days in the BSD/OSX area now that Apple is backing away from it's Propiretary JDK. --Luss From ken.gentry at gilbarco.com Mon Nov 1 19:31:00 2010 From: ken.gentry at gilbarco.com (kg5000) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Thanks for the Windows build. I have been searching for over a year and even tried once to build it myself. The OpenJDK is working nicely on our target. Is there a way to install only the JRE of an OpenJDK? I have not fully informed our team that the OpenJDK is running on our system and don't know the team's comfort level of Java tools being present on our target when only a JRE is needed. Thanks again, Ken Denis Lussier-6 wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 8:54 AM, kg5000 wrote: > >> >> Has anyone tried the Windows build of OpenJDK 1.6.0_p20 @ >> http://www.openscg.com/se/ ? >> > > Hi Ken, > > My name is Denis Lussier and I am the Founder and Chief Architect of > OpenSCG, Inc. Prior to Founding OpenSCG last year I founded EnterpriseDB > and still serve on their Board of Directors. We have been reliably > building cross platform OpenJDK 6 Binaries for about a year now. These > binaries are very high quality and are carefully & consistently built > following the build procedures outlined by the OpenJDK project. > > The OpenJDK 6 project is rock solid thanks to contributions from companies > like Redhat, Google, Oracle and little companies like OpenSCG. OpenSCG > makes cross-platform binaries available that Sun (& now Oracle) choose not > too on the official OpenJDK site. The packaging strategy is very similar > to > Oracle's Proprietary JDK and we presently offer four distributions as > follows: > > OpenJDK 6 - Win32 - Build 20 > ====================== > Built using Windows 2000 and Visual Studio 2003 (just like the proprietary > JDK). We also compile with the latest and greatest Freetype (with > bytecode > hinting). In the upcoming Build 21 we will be including Visual VM. > > > OpenJDK 6 - Linux x86 32 & 64 Bit - Build 20 > ================================= > These are carefully built on CentOS 4 so that they can be installed an any > modern linux 2.6 distribution. In the upcoming Build 21 we will be > including Visual VM. > > > OpenJDK 6 - OSX 32-bit - Build 16 > ========================== > This one is a little outdated, but there is lots of renewed interest these > days in the BSD/OSX area now that Apple is backing away from it's > Propiretary JDK. > > --Luss > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Found-OpenJDK-6-windows-build-at-www.openscg.com-se--tp30087990p30107809.html Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From denisl at openscg.com Tue Nov 2 01:21:27 2010 From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 21:21:27 -0400 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: I will try to provide a JRE only installation option in the upcoming Build 21 Installers. In the OpenJDK 6 world JRE is a subset of JDK with javac (and a couple other related things) removed. The default OpenJDK Build builds both a JRE and JDK directory structure. Speaking of JRE's... Note that Webstart and Browser integration functionality will (in the short run) only be available in OpenSCG's upcoming OpenJDK 6 Linux Builds because IcedTea doesn't yet have a Windows Port. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, kg5000 wrote: > > Is there a way to install only the JRE of an OpenJDK? I have not fully > informed our team that the OpenJDK is running on our system and don't know > the team's comfort level of Java tools being present on our target when only > a JRE is needed. From frans at meruvian.org Tue Nov 2 01:32:04 2010 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 08:32:04 +0700 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: keep release.. that is awesome release so we can depend on OpenJDK now.. -- Frans Thamura Director Meruvian. The Most Complete Java Services Provider in Indonesia Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We grow because we share the same belief. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Lussier, Denis wrote: > I will try to provide a JRE only installation option in the upcoming > Build 21 Installers. In the OpenJDK 6 world JRE is a subset of JDK > with javac (and a couple other related things) removed. The default > OpenJDK Build builds both a JRE and JDK directory structure. > > Speaking of JRE's... Note that Webstart and Browser integration > functionality will (in the short run) only be available in OpenSCG's > upcoming OpenJDK 6 Linux Builds because IcedTea doesn't yet have a > Windows Port. > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, kg5000 wrote: > > > > Is there a way to install only the JRE of an OpenJDK? I have not fully > > informed our team that the OpenJDK is running on our system and don't > know > > the team's comfort level of Java tools being present on our target when > only > > a JRE is needed. > From ken.gentry at gilbarco.com Tue Nov 2 12:18:55 2010 From: ken.gentry at gilbarco.com (kg5000) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 05:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <30113246.post@talk.nabble.com> The JRE option would be great, although I just realized our installer could just remove unwanted tool executables in post install. Another question came to mind. Is there a silent command line install option? Thanks, Ken Denis Lussier-6 wrote: > > I will try to provide a JRE only installation option in the upcoming > Build 21 Installers. In the OpenJDK 6 world JRE is a subset of JDK > with javac (and a couple other related things) removed. The default > OpenJDK Build builds both a JRE and JDK directory structure. > > Speaking of JRE's... Note that Webstart and Browser integration > functionality will (in the short run) only be available in OpenSCG's > upcoming OpenJDK 6 Linux Builds because IcedTea doesn't yet have a > Windows Port. > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, kg5000 wrote: >> >> Is there a way to install only the JRE of an OpenJDK? I have not fully >> informed our team that the OpenJDK is running on our system and don't >> know >> the team's comfort level of Java tools being present on our target when >> only >> a JRE is needed. > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Found-OpenJDK-6-windows-build-at-www.openscg.com-se--tp30087990p30113246.html Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frans at meruvian.org Tue Nov 2 12:28:19 2010 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:28:19 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <30113246.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com><30107809.post@talk.nabble.com><30113246.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1904856922-1288700995-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881081983-@b5.c1.bise3.blackberry> Glad if u wanna share the knowledge how to make the installer /m/ -----Original Message----- From: kg5000 Sender: discuss-bounces at openjdk.java.net Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 05:18:55 To: Subject: Re: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ The JRE option would be great, although I just realized our installer could just remove unwanted tool executables in post install. Another question came to mind. Is there a silent command line install option? Thanks, Ken Denis Lussier-6 wrote: > > I will try to provide a JRE only installation option in the upcoming > Build 21 Installers. In the OpenJDK 6 world JRE is a subset of JDK > with javac (and a couple other related things) removed. The default > OpenJDK Build builds both a JRE and JDK directory structure. > > Speaking of JRE's... Note that Webstart and Browser integration > functionality will (in the short run) only be available in OpenSCG's > upcoming OpenJDK 6 Linux Builds because IcedTea doesn't yet have a > Windows Port. > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, kg5000 wrote: >> >> Is there a way to install only the JRE of an OpenJDK? I have not fully >> informed our team that the OpenJDK is running on our system and don't >> know >> the team's comfort level of Java tools being present on our target when >> only >> a JRE is needed. > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Found-OpenJDK-6-windows-build-at-www.openscg.com-se--tp30087990p30113246.html Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ken.gentry at gilbarco.com Tue Nov 2 19:22:53 2010 From: ken.gentry at gilbarco.com (kg5000) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <1904856922-1288700995-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881081983-@b5.c1.bise3.blackberry> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <30113246.post@talk.nabble.com> <1904856922-1288700995-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881081983-@b5.c1.bise3.blackberry> Message-ID: <30116810.post@talk.nabble.com> The installer I refer to is proprietary to our product. What I was trying to say is that after the OpenJDK installer is finished our proprietary installer can remove the unwanted binaries. If a JRE-only version of the OpenJDK was an option in OpenSCG's installer then this post install clean up would not be necessary. Frans Thamura-2 wrote: > > Glad if u wanna share the knowledge how to make the installer > > > /m/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: kg5000 > Sender: discuss-bounces at openjdk.java.net > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 05:18:55 > To: > Subject: Re: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ > > > The JRE option would be great, although I just realized our installer > could > just remove unwanted tool executables in post install. > > Another question came to mind. Is there a silent command line install > option? > > Thanks, > Ken > > > Denis Lussier-6 wrote: >> >> I will try to provide a JRE only installation option in the upcoming >> Build 21 Installers. In the OpenJDK 6 world JRE is a subset of JDK >> with javac (and a couple other related things) removed. The default >> OpenJDK Build builds both a JRE and JDK directory structure. >> >> Speaking of JRE's... Note that Webstart and Browser integration >> functionality will (in the short run) only be available in OpenSCG's >> upcoming OpenJDK 6 Linux Builds because IcedTea doesn't yet have a >> Windows Port. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, kg5000 wrote: >>> >>> Is there a way to install only the JRE of an OpenJDK? I have not fully >>> informed our team that the OpenJDK is running on our system and don't >>> know >>> the team's comfort level of Java tools being present on our target when >>> only >>> a JRE is needed. >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://old.nabble.com/Found-OpenJDK-6-windows-build-at-www.openscg.com-se--tp30087990p30113246.html > Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Found-OpenJDK-6-windows-build-at-www.openscg.com-se--tp30087990p30116810.html Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Tue Nov 2 22:33:42 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:33:42 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 2 November 2010 01:21, Lussier, Denis wrote: > I will try to provide a JRE only installation option in the upcoming > Build 21 Installers. ? In the OpenJDK 6 world JRE is a subset of JDK > with javac (and a couple other related things) removed. ? The default > OpenJDK Build builds both a JRE and JDK directory structure. > > Speaking of JRE's... ?Note that Webstart and Browser integration > functionality will (in the short run) only be available in OpenSCG's > upcoming OpenJDK 6 Linux Builds because IcedTea doesn't yet have a > Windows Port. > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, kg5000 wrote: >> >> Is there a way to install only the JRE of an OpenJDK? I have not fully >> informed our team that the OpenJDK is running on our system and don't know >> the team's comfort level of Java tools being present on our target when only >> a JRE is needed. > Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent release soon. We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to other platforms. -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From fcassia at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 00:49:57 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:49:57 -0300 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out > into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent > release soon. ?We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to > other platforms. > -- > Andrew :-) > > Free Java Software Engineer > Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Why not make it part of OpenJDK, so the user only has to install openJDK to get a fully functional java installation ? (both JRE and browser plug-in and Java Web Start) ??. Why confuse the users with yet-another-package name? What?s the rationale for "splitting" the plug-in into "Icedtea" which AFAIK is redundant and useless in spite of the availability of OpenJDK?. Just thinking aloud... FC From frans at meruvian.org Wed Nov 3 08:07:24 2010 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 08:07:24 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com><30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <606336999-1288772081-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-480474575-@b5.c1.bise3.blackberry> Will openjdk produce the installr That will be awesome Rather using proprietary un open openscg product /m/ -----Original Message----- From: Fernando Cassia Sender: discuss-bounces at openjdk.java.net Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 21:49:57 To: Dr Andrew John Hughes Cc: Subject: Re: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out > into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent > release soon. ?We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to > other platforms. > -- > Andrew :-) > > Free Java Software Engineer > Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Why not make it part of OpenJDK, so the user only has to install openJDK to get a fully functional java installation ? (both JRE and browser plug-in and Java Web Start) ??. Why confuse the users with yet-another-package name? What?s the rationale for "splitting" the plug-in into "Icedtea" which AFAIK is redundant and useless in spite of the availability of OpenJDK?. Just thinking aloud... FC From mark at klomp.org Wed Nov 3 09:17:45 2010 From: mark at klomp.org (Mark Wielaard) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:17:45 +0100 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:49 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes > wrote: > > > Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out > > into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent > > release soon. We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to > > other platforms. > > Why not make it part of OpenJDK, so the user only has to install > openJDK to get a fully functional java installation ? (both JRE and > browser plug-in and Java Web Start) ??. Having independent parts in independent repositories does help with parallel development sometimes. It isn't much different from having separate hg trees in a forest. Of course if you want to provide a full free java implementation you have to combine them for your users. Everybody is free to do that when they create a distribution, and that is what the GNU/Linux distos do for their icedtea/openjdk packages. That way users have a free java with everything included. It is all under the GPL of course (the plugin and webstart code are derived from various existing free software projects) so if Oracle wishes they could also include it in the main OpenJDK repository. But they seem to resist including code for which they cannot get full rights through SCA assignment. Note that earlier Sun promised to release their implementation as Free Software also, but they never did, which is why we have alternative free implementations now: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk6-dev/2009-June/000607.html > Why confuse the users with yet-another-package name? What?s the > rationale for "splitting" the plug-in into "Icedtea" which AFAIK is > redundant and useless in spite of the availability of OpenJDK?. See http://icedtea.classpath.org/ for the why and what it provides. In most cases people will just call the IcedTea distro OpenJDK in their packages (there are some trademark rules of when you may use the OpenJDK name, but Mark Reinhold provided a patch that should make IcedTea do the right thing in most cases based on how it is configured). Basically it is just a place where people can collaborate around the code if they feel for whatever reason (political, legal, convenience) it cannot (yet) be included in OpenJDK. Since Oracle insists of being granted full rights to all the code contributed to OpenJDK, people can use IcedTea to get things done while such issues are being dealt with if they wish. In general there is tight cooperation between the projects. > Just thinking aloud... Yeah. Maybe we should include a configure --with-icedtea-web option in the main icedtea[6] repository that pulls in the plugin and webstart tools just like it can pull in different versions of hotspot, cacao, jaxp, etc. That way people can easily produce a full JDK and JRE with all the free tools included without needing any proprietary software. Thanks, Mark From aph at redhat.com Wed Nov 3 10:03:34 2010 From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:03:34 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> On 11/03/2010 09:17 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:49 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes >> wrote: >> >>> Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out >>> into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent >>> release soon. We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to >>> other platforms. >> >> Why not make it part of OpenJDK, so the user only has to install >> openJDK to get a fully functional java installation ? (both JRE and >> browser plug-in and Java Web Start) ??. > > Having independent parts in independent repositories does help with > parallel development sometimes. It isn't much different from having > separate hg trees in a forest. Of course if you want to provide a full > free java implementation you have to combine them for your users. > Everybody is free to do that when they create a distribution, and that > is what the GNU/Linux distos do for their icedtea/openjdk packages. That's right. I'm not at all convinced that there is any benefit in having Java install in one enormous lump. If I had my way the installation would be much more fine-grained, and with the development of Project Jigsaw it seems clear that this is the way things are headed. Andrew. From fcassia at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 13:54:43 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:54:43 -0300 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 11/03/2010 09:17 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:49 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out >>>> into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent >>>> release soon. ?We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to >>>> other platforms. >>> >>> Why not make it part of OpenJDK, so the user only has to install >>> openJDK to get a fully functional java installation ? (both JRE and >>> browser plug-in and Java Web Start) ??. >> >> Having independent parts in independent repositories does help with >> parallel development sometimes. It isn't much different from having >> separate hg trees in a forest. Of course if you want to provide a full >> free java implementation you have to combine them for your users. >> Everybody is free to do that when they create a distribution, and that >> is what the GNU/Linux distos do for their icedtea/openjdk packages. > > That's right. > > I'm not at all convinced that there is any benefit in having Java > install in one enormous lump. ?If I had my way the installation would > be much more fine-grained, and with the development of Project Jigsaw > it seems clear that this is the way things are headed. I disagree strongly. You?re thinking as a developer. I?m thinking as an end-user. In the windows world, people are told to "download and install Java" (the JRE) and it?s a single package, a single process. Likewise, in the Linux world, I?d expect a apt-get install openjdk To produce a full, working installation of Java, just as in Windows, (JRE, web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart). FC From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Wed Nov 3 14:02:14 2010 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:02:14 +0100 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: <4CD16B66.30905@oracle.com> On 11/3/10 10:17 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > It is all under the > GPL of course (the plugin and webstart code are derived from various > existing free software projects) so if Oracle wishes they could also > include it in the main OpenJDK repository. We don't include code into the main OpenJDK repository based on wishes, but based on what gets contributed according to the guidelines for OpenJDK contributions described here: http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/ . ;) There has been no discussion on contributing the IcedTea plugin & webstart code to the main OpenJDK repository, as far as I know. I think that was on the mind of some of the contributors to the IcedTea plugin a while ago, but I don't think it has happened yet. In that regard, the splitting out of the code into its own little project sounds like a good step to me. cheers, dalibor topic -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Java F/OSS Ambassador Phone: +494023646738 | | | Mobile: +491772664192 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From mark at klomp.org Wed Nov 3 14:43:27 2010 From: mark at klomp.org (Mark Wielaard) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:43:27 +0100 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 10:54 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > > I'm not at all convinced that there is any benefit in having Java > > install in one enormous lump. If I had my way the installation would > > be much more fine-grained, and with the development of Project Jigsaw > > it seems clear that this is the way things are headed. > > I disagree strongly. You?re thinking as a developer. I?m thinking as > an end-user. > > In the windows world, people are told to "download and install Java" > (the JRE) and it?s a single package, a single process. > > Likewise, in the Linux world, I?d expect a > > apt-get install openjdk > > To produce a full, working installation of Java, just as in Windows, > (JRE, web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart). You seem to confuse the icedtea/openjdk developer community with a distribution project for end users. We facilitate and work together with the distribution projects, like openscg and the various GNU/Linux distributions. So they can provide an "all-in-one" package that can be installed and that provides everything in one big thing if users want that. Including a free web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart. The separation of source code is just a convenient way for developers to work on and collaborate on the code together. And as Dalibor explained even if we wished for everything to be in one giant source code repository in OpenJDK we cannot. The OpenJDK contributor agreement currently demands full control of all source code by Oracle and we can simple not grant them that, unless they change the rules and accept normal contributions under the GPL. Cheers, Mark From fcassia at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 14:47:29 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:47:29 -0300 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 10:54 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> > I'm not at all convinced that there is any benefit in having Java >> > install in one enormous lump. ?If I had my way the installation would >> > be much more fine-grained, and with the development of Project Jigsaw >> > it seems clear that this is the way things are headed. >> >> I disagree strongly. You?re thinking as a developer. I?m thinking as >> an end-user. >> >> In the windows world, people are told to "download and install Java" >> (the JRE) and it?s a single package, a single process. >> >> Likewise, in the Linux world, I?d expect a >> >> apt-get install openjdk >> >> To produce a full, working installation of Java, just as in Windows, >> (JRE, web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart). > > You seem to confuse the icedtea/openjdk developer community with a > distribution project for end users. We facilitate and work together with > the distribution projects, like openscg and the various GNU/Linux > distributions. So they can provide an "all-in-one" package that can be > installed and that provides everything in one big thing if users want > that. Including a free web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart. The > separation of source code is just a convenient way for developers to > work on and collaborate on the code together. That?s all I care abonut. as long as distros provide a way to install the whole of java (openjdk JRE with browser plug-in and java web start) in a single step and with a single package name, that?s fine by me. What I only feared is that the user would have to "Install openjdk" and then "install icedtea-plugin" and then "install icedtea-java-webstart" Having different package names IS confusing. That?s all I wanted to say. The rest (different repositories and the reasons for that) is perfectly fine by me, as long as that differentiation is only for developers, and not end users. Thanks Mark, by the way. FC From frans at meruvian.org Wed Nov 3 15:02:53 2010 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 22:02:53 +0700 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> Message-ID: +1 i agree, we need openjdk to create installer. or the dispute what is going on in OpenJDK will raise again, F On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > > On 11/03/2010 09:17 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > >> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:49 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > >>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out > >>>> into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent > >>>> release soon. We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to > >>>> other platforms. > >>> > >>> Why not make it part of OpenJDK, so the user only has to install > >>> openJDK to get a fully functional java installation ? (both JRE and > >>> browser plug-in and Java Web Start) ??. > >> > >> Having independent parts in independent repositories does help with > >> parallel development sometimes. It isn't much different from having > >> separate hg trees in a forest. Of course if you want to provide a full > >> free java implementation you have to combine them for your users. > >> Everybody is free to do that when they create a distribution, and that > >> is what the GNU/Linux distos do for their icedtea/openjdk packages. > > > > That's right. > > > > I'm not at all convinced that there is any benefit in having Java > > install in one enormous lump. If I had my way the installation would > > be much more fine-grained, and with the development of Project Jigsaw > > it seems clear that this is the way things are headed. > > I disagree strongly. You?re thinking as a developer. I?m thinking as > an end-user. > > In the windows world, people are told to "download and install Java" > (the JRE) and it?s a single package, a single process. > > Likewise, in the Linux world, I?d expect a > > apt-get install openjdk > > To produce a full, working installation of Java, just as in Windows, > (JRE, web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart). > > FC > From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Wed Nov 3 16:14:40 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:14:40 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: On 3 November 2010 14:47, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 10:54 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> > I'm not at all convinced that there is any benefit in having Java >>> > install in one enormous lump. ?If I had my way the installation would >>> > be much more fine-grained, and with the development of Project Jigsaw >>> > it seems clear that this is the way things are headed. >>> >>> I disagree strongly. You?re thinking as a developer. I?m thinking as >>> an end-user. >>> >>> In the windows world, people are told to "download and install Java" >>> (the JRE) and it?s a single package, a single process. >>> >>> Likewise, in the Linux world, I?d expect a >>> >>> apt-get install openjdk >>> >>> To produce a full, working installation of Java, just as in Windows, >>> (JRE, web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart). >> >> You seem to confuse the icedtea/openjdk developer community with a >> distribution project for end users. We facilitate and work together with >> the distribution projects, like openscg and the various GNU/Linux >> distributions. So they can provide an "all-in-one" package that can be >> installed and that provides everything in one big thing if users want >> that. Including a free web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart. The >> separation of source code is just a convenient way for developers to >> work on and collaborate on the code together. > > That?s all I care abonut. as long as distros provide a way to install > the whole of java (openjdk JRE with browser plug-in and java web > start) in a single step and with a single package name, that?s fine by > me. > > What I only feared is that the user would have to > > "Install openjdk" and then "install icedtea-plugin" and then "install > icedtea-java-webstart" > > Having different package names IS confusing. That?s all I wanted to say. > > The rest (different repositories and the reasons for that) is > perfectly fine by me, as long as that differentiation is only for > developers, and not end users. > > Thanks Mark, by the way. > FC > How the upstream change is handled by distributions is a matter for them, not us. However, I would expect that a simple meta-package is available that brings in the dependencies required to give a full JDK as expected by the end user. For example, IcedTea |-- OpenJDK |-- IcedTea-Web |-- VisualVM would make sense. The user installs the meta-package IcedTea and it installs OpenJDK, IcedTea-Web (plugin & netx) and VisualVM as dependencies. I certainly wouldn't expect the user to have to install each dependency, any more than you have to manually install the C library if you want Firefox. The packaging system is supposed to hide these kind of things. The IcedTea-Web change is primarily for the advantage of end users. The plugin and netx see a lot more fixes and new features than OpenJDK which is pretty stable. They are pretty much at opposite ends of the development cycle. By splitting them, we can make separate releases of IcedTea-Web which distributions, in turn, can then ship to end users without having to provide a new version of the entire JDK as well. So you should start to see bugs being fixed quicker than before once this comes down the pipe into your favourite distro. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, separating it also makes the possibility of porting it to other platforms more feasible. Note that OpenJDK has never been shipped as-is in any distributions as far as I'm aware. It's always been IcedTea, because OpenJDK on its own lacks the expected plugin and Java Web Start support. Only OpenSCG have provided such OpenJDK-only packages to my knowledge and it sounds like they are now also switching to IcedTea. -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Wed Nov 3 16:17:01 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:17:01 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 3 November 2010 00:49, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes > wrote: > >> Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out >> into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent >> release soon. ?We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to >> other platforms. >> -- >> Andrew :-) >> >> Free Java Software Engineer >> Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) > > Why not make it part of OpenJDK, so the user only has to install > openJDK to get a fully functional java installation ? (both JRE and > browser plug-in and Java Web Start) ??. > There are a number of legal issues with doing this and no advantages. In fact, it would probably make development on the plugin & NetX even slower than it was as part of IcedTea. > Why confuse the users with yet-another-package name? What?s the > rationale for "splitting" the plug-in into "Icedtea" which AFAIK is > redundant and useless in spite of the availability of OpenJDK?. > See my other mail; IcedTea is what you've been using already in your favourite GNU/Linux distribution. > Just thinking aloud... > > FC > -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From fcassia at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 16:55:54 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:55:54 -0300 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > How the upstream change is handled by distributions is a matter for > them, not us. ?However, I would expect that a simple meta-package is > available that brings in the dependencies required to give a full JDK > as expected by the end user. ?For example, > > IcedTea > |-- OpenJDK > |-- IcedTea-Web > |-- VisualVM > > would make sense. ?The user installs the meta-package IcedTea and it > installs OpenJDK, IcedTea-Web (plugin & netx) and VisualVM as > dependencies. And that gets us back to my point. OpenJDK is what has the mindshare NOT "Icedtea" which sounds like a beverage rather than a piece of software. "JDK" and "OpenJDK" are instead very well known names. So my point is that the meta-package should be openjdk-something, not IcedTea. IcedTea -correct me if I?m wrong- was an effort to create a "compatible" clean room implementation of the Java VM (like GNU classpath). So people installing "Icedtea-anything" would think they are NOT getting the "Sun Java open sourced" but something else. Yes, I know it?s a matter of words. But branding IS everything, sometimes. FC From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Wed Nov 3 17:24:56 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 17:24:56 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: On 3 November 2010 16:55, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes > wrote: > >> How the upstream change is handled by distributions is a matter for >> them, not us. ?However, I would expect that a simple meta-package is >> available that brings in the dependencies required to give a full JDK >> as expected by the end user. ?For example, >> >> IcedTea >> |-- OpenJDK >> |-- IcedTea-Web >> |-- VisualVM >> >> would make sense. ?The user installs the meta-package IcedTea and it >> installs OpenJDK, IcedTea-Web (plugin & netx) and VisualVM as >> dependencies. > > And that gets us back to my point. OpenJDK is what has the mindshare > NOT "Icedtea" which sounds like a beverage rather than a piece of > software. "JDK" and "OpenJDK" are instead very well known names. > > So my point is that the meta-package should be openjdk-something, not IcedTea. > > IcedTea -correct me if I?m wrong- was an effort to create a > "compatible" clean room implementation of the Java VM (like GNU > classpath). > No, GNU Classpath is a clean room implementation. IcedTea is a build system for OpenJDK, which allows it to be built with Free tools and fixes a number of issues which prevent OpenJDK builds being used in GNU/Linux distributions (e.g. incorporating its own copies of libraries such as libjpeg, some binaries and dubious licenses in the source tree). Until IcedTea-Web was split out, IcedTea was also the home of the only Free plugin and Java Web Start implementation. Sun/Oracle have never released theirs as part of OpenJDK. OpenJDK may be the better marketing term, but it's neither accurate nor available for us to use as we choose (being an Oracle trademark). As illustrated, an OpenJDK package will still be there as a build of OpenJDK using the IcedTea toolset (as now), a usage which I believe is allowed by the OpenJDK trademark license. The IcedTea package will be a new meta-package that brings in both OpenJDK and the extras provided by IcedTea (primarily the plugin + netx, but also a package for VisualVM https://visualvm.dev.java.net/). > So people installing "Icedtea-anything" would think they are NOT > getting the "Sun Java open sourced" but something else. > > Yes, I know it?s a matter of words. But branding IS everything, sometimes. > > FC > -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From mark at klomp.org Wed Nov 3 17:53:50 2010 From: mark at klomp.org (Mark Wielaard) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:53:50 +0100 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: <1288806830.3457.202.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 13:55 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes > wrote: > > > How the upstream change is handled by distributions is a matter for > > them, not us. However, I would expect that a simple meta-package is > > available that brings in the dependencies required to give a full JDK > > as expected by the end user. For example, > > > > IcedTea > > |-- OpenJDK > > |-- IcedTea-Web > > |-- VisualVM > > > > would make sense. The user installs the meta-package IcedTea and it > > installs OpenJDK, IcedTea-Web (plugin & netx) and VisualVM as > > dependencies. > > And that gets us back to my point. OpenJDK is what has the mindshare > NOT "Icedtea" which sounds like a beverage rather than a piece of > software. "JDK" and "OpenJDK" are instead very well known names. Right, but Oracle claims trademarks on those words, so we cannot freely use them. They did grant a trademark license that probably covers most of IcedTea usage (Mark Reinhold provided a patch to make IcedTea say it is OpenJDK in some configurations and just plain IcedTea in others). And in fact most GNU/Linux distros package IcedTea and just call it OpenJDK depending on the trademark grant. > So my point is that the meta-package should be openjdk-something, not IcedTea. Maybe, I don't really do marketing. Technically it isn't really correct though. OpenJDK is the Java reference implementation for the Java Standard Edition that Sun (now Oracle) liberated and distributes under the GPL. Which is a runtime environment (HotSpot) and a large core class library. IcedTea then is build upon OpenJDK extended with developer, user and web browser tools like the Applet viewer, Java Webstart (LiveConnect and JNLP) support and VisualVM, a lightweight profiler and troubleshooting tool, Rhino for javascript support in javax.script. Bootstraps with and provides alternative runtimes, tools and class library support for Java and Java-like environments, like the Zero interpreter, Shark JIT, GCJ native compiler, GNU Classpath core libraries and Cacao. Plus various projects around extending and porting (mips) the code base. See http://icedtea.classpath.org for the full story. And http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg for all the repositories under IcedTea. Parts are then also pushed towards OpenJDK when they can and are ready. And we do of course coordinate around the OpenJDK code base releases. > IcedTea -correct me if I?m wrong- was an effort to create a > "compatible" clean room implementation of the Java VM (like GNU > classpath). No, it is partly based on and uses GNU Classpath to bootstrap itself, but it was always based on those parts of OpenJDK which were liberated and distributed under the GPL. > Yes, I know it?s a matter of words. But branding IS everything, sometimes. Please do feel free to do some branding/marketing effort. Clearly us hackers are pretty bad at it :) Cheers, Mark From fcassia at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 19:05:10 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:05:10 -0300 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <1288806830.3457.202.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <1288806830.3457.202.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 13:55 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes >> wrote: >> >> > How the upstream change is handled by distributions is a matter for >> > them, not us. ?However, I would expect that a simple meta-package is >> > available that brings in the dependencies required to give a full JDK >> > as expected by the end user. ?For example, >> > >> > IcedTea >> > |-- OpenJDK >> > |-- IcedTea-Web >> > |-- VisualVM >> > >> > would make sense. ?The user installs the meta-package IcedTea and it >> > installs OpenJDK, IcedTea-Web (plugin & netx) and VisualVM as >> > dependencies. >> >> And that gets us back to my point. OpenJDK is what has the mindshare >> NOT "Icedtea" which sounds like a beverage rather than a piece of >> software. "JDK" and "OpenJDK" are instead very well known names. > > Right, but Oracle claims trademarks on those words, so we cannot freely > use them. They did grant a trademark license that probably covers most > of IcedTea usage (Mark Reinhold provided a patch to make IcedTea say it > is OpenJDK in some configurations and just plain IcedTea in others). And > in fact most GNU/Linux distros package IcedTea and just call it OpenJDK > depending on the trademark grant. A package name in a repository is not the same as using "OpenJDK" in a commercal product packaging or advertisements. It would be akin to Microsoft suing someone for the use of the "truetype.dll" file name in a clean room implementation of the truetype engine... Has anyone actually asked Oracle, or is this just guessing? FC From fcassia at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 19:08:11 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:08:11 -0300 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <1288806830.3457.202.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <1288806830.3457.202.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Maybe, I don't really do marketing. Technically it isn't really correct > though. OpenJDK is the Java reference implementation for the Java > Standard Edition that Sun (now Oracle) liberated and distributes under > the GPL. Which is a runtime environment (HotSpot) and a large core class > library. IcedTea then is build upon OpenJDK extended with developer, > user and web browser tools like the Applet viewer, Java Webstart > (LiveConnect and JNLP) support and VisualVM, a lightweight profiler and > troubleshooting tool, Rhino for javascript support in javax.script. > Bootstraps with and provides alternative runtimes, tools and class > library support for Java and Java-like environments, like the Zero > interpreter, Shark JIT, GCJ native compiler, GNU Classpath core > libraries and Cacao. Plus various projects around extending and porting > (mips) the code base. See http://icedtea.classpath.org for the full > story. Thanks for the lengthy explanation. I was confused and was actually thinking on Apache Harmony. Somehow my brain mixed Harmony with IcedTea... I still think, however, that most folks (end users) know what "OpenJDK" is about and at the same time IcedTea as project name has no mindshare at all. FC From mark at klomp.org Wed Nov 3 20:10:35 2010 From: mark at klomp.org (Mark Wielaard) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 21:10:35 +0100 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <1288806830.3457.202.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: <1288815035.3457.377.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 16:05 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 13:55 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > >> And that gets us back to my point. OpenJDK is what has the mindshare > >> NOT "Icedtea" which sounds like a beverage rather than a piece of > >> software. "JDK" and "OpenJDK" are instead very well known names. > > > > Right, but Oracle claims trademarks on those words, so we cannot freely > > use them. They did grant a trademark license that probably covers most > > of IcedTea usage (Mark Reinhold provided a patch to make IcedTea say it > > is OpenJDK in some configurations and just plain IcedTea in others). And > > in fact most GNU/Linux distros package IcedTea and just call it OpenJDK > > depending on the trademark grant. > > A package name in a repository is not the same as using "OpenJDK" in a > commercal product packaging or advertisements. It would be akin to > Microsoft suing someone for the use of the "truetype.dll" file name in > a clean room implementation of the truetype engine... Probably. > Has anyone actually asked Oracle, or is this just guessing? Yes, they posted a trademark guideline: http://openjdk.java.net/legal/openjdk-trademark-notice.html hmmm, that is odd. That is version 1.1. Which appears to be the one in current openjdk6, but I thought there was an update to 1.2 announced here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.openjdk.general/883 which at least would allow upgrading hotspot (which we regularly do in IcedTea). It isn't that we don't want to use the name OpenJDK. It is a great name and a great project. But clearly not all IcedTea derivatives fall under that grant (and now I am even confused if there actually ever was an update from the 1.1 to the 1.2 version of the grant). And nobody wants to accidentally cross the legal line drawn up. So it is just easier to be clear about what is what and what is clearly (or probably) not. Cheers, Mark From mark at klomp.org Wed Nov 3 20:15:52 2010 From: mark at klomp.org (Mark Wielaard) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 21:15:52 +0100 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <1288806830.3457.202.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: <1288815352.3457.387.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 16:08 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Somehow my brain mixed Harmony with IcedTea... No worries. The intentions were the same when we created those projects. Mix and match all libre-java code together and create one happy family of hackers. > I still think, however, that most folks (end users) know what > "OpenJDK" is about and at the same time IcedTea as project name has no > mindshare at all. Then by all means feel free to call it all OpenJDK if you like (*). Although I think it is also fair to the user to note that that some (small) parts come from various different projects to provide the whole. Cheers, Mark (*) But note the trademark claim on the word discussed in previous messages. From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Wed Nov 3 22:26:22 2010 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 23:26:22 +0100 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: <4CD1E18E.3040202@oracle.com> On 11/3/10 3:47 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > That?s all I care abonut. as long as distros provide a way to install > the whole of java (openjdk JRE with browser plug-in and java web > start) in a single step and with a single package name, that?s fine by > me. You'll have to take that up with the distros in question. We don't provide OpenJDK packages, in general, so this general discussion list is not the right place to discuss packaging conventions. distro-pkg-dev at openjdk, on the other hand, may be the right place. 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Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Wed Nov 3 22:44:14 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 22:44:14 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <1288806830.3457.202.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> Message-ID: On 3 November 2010 19:08, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > >> Maybe, I don't really do marketing. Technically it isn't really correct >> though. OpenJDK is the Java reference implementation for the Java >> Standard Edition that Sun (now Oracle) liberated and distributes under >> the GPL. Which is a runtime environment (HotSpot) and a large core class >> library. IcedTea then is build upon OpenJDK extended with developer, >> user and web browser tools like the Applet viewer, Java Webstart >> (LiveConnect and JNLP) support and VisualVM, a lightweight profiler and >> troubleshooting tool, Rhino for javascript support in javax.script. >> Bootstraps with and provides alternative runtimes, tools and class >> library support for Java and Java-like environments, like the Zero >> interpreter, Shark JIT, GCJ native compiler, GNU Classpath core >> libraries and Cacao. Plus various projects around extending and porting >> (mips) the code base. See http://icedtea.classpath.org for the full >> story. > > Thanks for the lengthy explanation. I was confused and was actually > thinking on Apache Harmony. > > Somehow my brain mixed Harmony with IcedTea... > > I still think, however, that most folks (end users) know what > "OpenJDK" is about and at the same time IcedTea as project name has no > mindshare at all. > I already explained in my previous e-mail that OpenJDK will still be used as the package name for the OpenJDK build. We're not going to use it to describe the plugin and netx because that simply isn't OpenJDK. If IcedTea has little mindshare now, then this is exactly why we need to make the name more prominent. Wrongly calling things OpenJDK that aren't isn't going to help that. > FC > -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From aph at redhat.com Thu Nov 4 08:48:37 2010 From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:48:37 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4CD27365.2040706@redhat.com> On 11/03/2010 01:54 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 11/03/2010 09:17 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote: >>> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:49 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Dr Andrew John Hughes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Our Free plugin and Web Start implementation have now been split out >>>>> into the icedtea-web project which should see its first independent >>>>> release soon. We'd certainly be interested in seeing this ported to >>>>> other platforms. >>>> >>>> Why not make it part of OpenJDK, so the user only has to install >>>> openJDK to get a fully functional java installation ? (both JRE and >>>> browser plug-in and Java Web Start) ??. >>> >>> Having independent parts in independent repositories does help with >>> parallel development sometimes. It isn't much different from having >>> separate hg trees in a forest. Of course if you want to provide a full >>> free java implementation you have to combine them for your users. >>> Everybody is free to do that when they create a distribution, and that >>> is what the GNU/Linux distos do for their icedtea/openjdk packages. >> >> That's right. >> >> I'm not at all convinced that there is any benefit in having Java >> install in one enormous lump. If I had my way the installation would >> be much more fine-grained, and with the development of Project Jigsaw >> it seems clear that this is the way things are headed. > > I disagree strongly. You?re thinking as a developer. I?m thinking as > an end-user. > > In the windows world, people are told to "download and install Java" > (the JRE) and it?s a single package, a single process. Yeah, and it's a pain in the ass. You shouldn't have to "download and install Java". That's a hangover from proprietary software, when Java was not part of the operating system. With a real package system, when you install a Java application, the relevant bits of Java get installed. > Likewise, in the Linux world, I?d expect a > > apt-get install openjdk > > To produce a full, working installation of Java, just as in Windows, > (JRE, web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart). That's up to Debian. If they want their "openjdk" to be a meta-package that pulls in everything, they can. But that it very different from saying that the package *should* be one lump. It shouldn't. Andrew. From denisl at openscg.com Thu Nov 4 23:46:48 2010 From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:46:48 -0400 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <30113246.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <30113246.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: I will document how to run the installer in non-gui and/or silent modes in the upcoming Build 21. Also, my install program is gonna do exactly what you described below (subtract things from the JDK to make a JRE) if you choose the JRE option. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:18 AM, kg5000 wrote: > > The JRE option would be great, although I just realized our installer could > just remove unwanted tool executables in post install. > > Another question came to mind. Is there a silent command line install > option? > > Thanks, > Ken > > > Denis Lussier-6 wrote: >> >> I will try to provide a JRE only installation option in the upcoming >> Build 21 Installers. ? In the OpenJDK 6 world JRE is a subset of JDK >> with javac (and a couple other related things) removed. ? The default >> OpenJDK Build builds both a JRE and JDK directory structure. >> >> Speaking of JRE's... ?Note that Webstart and Browser integration >> functionality will (in the short run) only be available in OpenSCG's >> upcoming OpenJDK 6 Linux Builds because IcedTea doesn't yet have a >> Windows Port. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:31 PM, kg5000 wrote: >>> >>> Is there a way to install only the JRE of an OpenJDK? I have not fully >>> informed our team that the OpenJDK is running on our system and don't >>> know >>> the team's comfort level of Java tools being present on our target when >>> only >>> a JRE is needed. >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Found-OpenJDK-6-windows-build-at-www.openscg.com-se--tp30087990p30113246.html > Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > From denisl at openscg.com Thu Nov 4 23:54:38 2010 From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:54:38 -0400 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <1904856922-1288700995-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881081983-@b5.c1.bise3.blackberry> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <30113246.post@talk.nabble.com> <1904856922-1288700995-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881081983-@b5.c1.bise3.blackberry> Message-ID: OpenSCG packages it's OpenJDK 6 cross-platform one-click installers with Bitrock. The binaries are strictly built using the standard platforms and tools recommended in the source downloads. I agree that if the OpenJDK project and/or Oracle starts making cross-platform one-click installers for OpenJDK 6 (like they do for their proprietary/commercial distro)... The free serrvice my company is providing to the community will no longer be needed. --Denis On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Frans Thamura wrote: > Glad if u wanna share the knowledge how to make the installer > > From denisl at openscg.com Fri Nov 5 00:01:58 2010 From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:01:58 -0400 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> Message-ID: It's all good... Individual Open Source projects make great strides forward when they are highly coordinated but loosely integrated. Packagers (such as OpenSCG) make installers that bring together related projects in easy to consume pieces that make sense to their target audience. --Luss > > I disagree strongly. You?re thinking as a developer. I?m thinking as > an end-user. > > In the windows world, people are told to "download and install Java" > (the JRE) and it?s a single package, a single process. > > Likewise, in the Linux world, I?d expect a > > apt-get install openjdk > > To produce a full, working installation of Java, just as in Windows, > (JRE, web browser plug-in, and Java WebStart). > > FC > From denisl at openscg.com Fri Nov 5 00:19:14 2010 From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:19:14 -0400 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: <4CD1E18E.3040202@oracle.com> References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD1E18E.3040202@oracle.com> Message-ID: It's my intent to continue referring to OpenSCG's one-click installers as "OpenJDK" as I carefully add IcedTea and Visual VM into OpenSCG's Distro. I plan to do this in a manner consistent with the published OpenJDK guidelines, the OpenJDK Linux Distros, & the Oracle Proprietary JDK/JRE Distro's. I believe that legalities, formalities AND most especially positive intent are all important things here. The folks at Oracle (and redhat) always let me know (off list) if I'm doing something incorrect or inappropriate. PS Please keep in mind that IcedTea doesn't yet run on Windoze. :-) --Luss On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Dalibor Topic wrote: > On 11/3/10 3:47 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> That?s all I care abonut. as long as distros provide a way to install >> the whole of java (openjdk JRE with browser plug-in and java web >> start) in a single step and with a single package name, that?s fine by >> me. > From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Fri Nov 5 10:52:48 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:52:48 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD1E18E.3040202@oracle.com> Message-ID: On 5 November 2010 00:19, Lussier, Denis wrote: > PS ? Please keep in mind that IcedTea doesn't yet run on Windoze. ?:-) > Unless someone who builds on Windows tries it and reports back with patches (hint, hint), it probably never will. IcedTea-Web (http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea-web) makes it as easy to build as it's gonna get. On GNU/Linux, it's just ./configure; make; make install. > --Luss > -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From tmarble at info9.net Fri Nov 5 22:24:38 2010 From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:24:38 -0500 Subject: CFP Now Open: Free Java @ FOSDEM 2011 Message-ID: <4CD48426.5030003@info9.net> All: Join us at FOSDEM 2011 to be part of our sessions where we'll discuss the state of Free Java! http://wiki.debian.org/Java/DevJam/2011/Fosdem Our theme is "Java Sans Fronti?res" * Why Free Java technology is awesome * Standing on the Shoulders of Free Java * The future of Free Java The Call For Participation is OPEN NOW, but closes on the 3rd of December... So send in a talk proposal today and join us in Brussels 5-6 February! Why FOSDEM? * Engage in scintillating discussions with smart hackers over world famous Belgian Beer * Join the Web of Trust by getting your strong new key signed * Indulge in exquisite chocolate * Visit historic Brussels within walking distance Why the Free Java DevJam? * This is the most significant non-commercial, neutral environment for Java developers to meet * Learn how to get involved in technical Free Java projects * We will not shy away from politics (especially this year)! * We will get together for an awesome dinner * You will meet historic hackers in the evolution of Free Java Please join the freejava-devroom at lists.fosdem.org list for general discussion about the event. http://lists.fosdem.org/mailman/listinfo/freejava-devroom To submit a formal Talk Proposal follow the guidelines at http://wiki.debian.org/Java/DevJam/2011/Fosdem/CallForParticipation Respectfully, Andrew Haley GCJ Maintainer, GNU Classpath, IcedTea & OpenJDK Developer. Andrew John Hughes IcedTea Maintainer, GNU Classpath Maintainer, OpenJDK & GCJ Developer Christian Thalinger OpenJDK developer, former CACAO Maintainer Mark Wielaard GNU Classpath Maintainer, GCJ, IcedTea & OpenJDK contributor. Tom Marble Java Libre hacker, Former OpenJDK Ambassador From denisl at openscg.com Sat Nov 6 12:21:18 2010 From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 08:21:18 -0400 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD1E18E.3040202@oracle.com> Message-ID: I am going to have an OpenSCG sponsored Engineer get started this coming week on Icedtea for Windoze. I've been considering this for a while. To date I do the OpenJDK builds myself but feel I'm not techie enough to get very far for something we know will need dev work. On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes wrote: > On 5 November 2010 00:19, Lussier, Denis wrote: > >> PS ? Please keep in mind that IcedTea doesn't yet run on Windoze. ?:-) >> > > Unless someone who builds on Windows tries it and reports back with > patches (hint, hint), it probably never will. ?IcedTea-Web > (http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea-web) makes it as easy to > build as it's gonna get. ?On GNU/Linux, it's just ./configure; make; > make install. > >> --Luss >> > -- > Andrew :-) > > Free Java Software Engineer > Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) > > Support Free Java! > Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK > http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath > http://openjdk.java.net > > PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) > Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 > From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Sun Nov 7 00:37:40 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:37:40 +0000 Subject: Found OpenJDK 6 windows build at www.openscg.com/se/ In-Reply-To: References: <30087990.post@talk.nabble.com> <30107809.post@talk.nabble.com> <1288775865.3457.32.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD13376.30409@redhat.com> <1288795407.3457.48.camel@springer.wildebeest.org> <4CD1E18E.3040202@oracle.com> Message-ID: On 6 November 2010 12:21, Lussier, Denis wrote: > I am going to have an OpenSCG sponsored Engineer get started this > coming week on Icedtea for Windoze. ?I've been considering this for a > while. ?To date I do the OpenJDK builds myself but feel I'm not techie > enough to get very far for something we know will need dev work. > Well please make sure to look at the new icedtea-web project. It's best to focus there if the main thing you want is the plugin and web start support. These are no longer in IcedTea itself. > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes > wrote: >> On 5 November 2010 00:19, Lussier, Denis wrote: >> >>> PS ? Please keep in mind that IcedTea doesn't yet run on Windoze. ?:-) >>> >> >> Unless someone who builds on Windows tries it and reports back with >> patches (hint, hint), it probably never will. ?IcedTea-Web >> (http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea-web) makes it as easy to >> build as it's gonna get. ?On GNU/Linux, it's just ./configure; make; >> make install. >> >>> --Luss >>> >> -- >> Andrew :-) >> >> Free Java Software Engineer >> Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) >> >> Support Free Java! >> Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK >> http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath >> http://openjdk.java.net >> >> PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) >> Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 >> > -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From david at davidherron.com Fri Nov 12 16:02:10 2010 From: david at davidherron.com (David Herron) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:02:10 -0800 Subject: In what universe does OpenJDK become the trending topic on twitter? Message-ID: http://twitter.com/#!/OpenJDK/status/3087320190296064 http://twitter.com/#!/crazybob/status/3084096859279360 http://twitter.com/#!/alexismp/status/3081776125706240 http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3088047545524224 http://twitter.com/#!/marcuslagergren/status/3083494049714177 http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3083449351012352 http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3082072033857536 Hey all, congratulations? The nail biting is over! + David Herron http://davidherron.com From aph at redhat.com Fri Nov 12 16:34:40 2010 From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:34:40 +0000 Subject: In what universe does OpenJDK become the trending topic on twitter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CDD6CA0.6040705@redhat.com> On 11/12/2010 04:02 PM, David Herron wrote: > http://twitter.com/#!/OpenJDK/status/3087320190296064 Yeah. :-) Still, it's really nice to see Apple doing the Right Thing after the community asked them to open their Java port. Sometimes I think we in the free software world are reluctant to give companies credit when they do good things. In this case: Bravo, Apple! Andrew. From fcassia at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 16:43:20 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:43:20 -0300 Subject: In what universe does OpenJDK become the trending topic on twitter? In-Reply-To: <4CDD6CA0.6040705@redhat.com> References: <4CDD6CA0.6040705@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 11/12/2010 04:02 PM, David Herron wrote: >> http://twitter.com/#!/OpenJDK/status/3087320190296064 > > Yeah. ?:-) > > Still, it's really nice to see Apple doing the Right Thing after the > community asked them to open their Java port. > > Sometimes I think we in the free software world are reluctant to give > companies credit when they do good things. Sadly some others bite the hand that feeds lots of open source projects (I?m thinking of Apache?s tirade against Oracle, or Novell?s atitude wrt OpenOffice.org). It?s all about control, in the end. FC From janburse at fastmail.fm Fri Nov 12 18:06:30 2010 From: janburse at fastmail.fm (Jan Burse) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:06:30 +0100 Subject: In what universe does OpenJDK become the trending topic on twitter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Herron schrieb: > http://twitter.com/#!/OpenJDK/status/3087320190296064 > > http://twitter.com/#!/crazybob/status/3084096859279360 > > http://twitter.com/#!/alexismp/status/3081776125706240 > > http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3088047545524224 > > http://twitter.com/#!/marcuslagergren/status/3083494049714177 > > http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3083449351012352 > > http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3082072033857536 > > > Hey all, congratulations? The nail biting is over! > > + David Herron > http://davidherron.com > I see 237 tweets (past hour): http://topsy.com/s?q=OpenJDK The press release: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html reads at the bottom: Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, ... Apple does not have an Ego problem. Bye From fcassia at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 18:19:28 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:19:28 -0300 Subject: In what universe does OpenJDK become the trending topic on twitter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Jan Burse wrote: > David Herron schrieb: >> >> http://twitter.com/#!/OpenJDK/status/3087320190296064 >> >> http://twitter.com/#!/crazybob/status/3084096859279360 >> >> http://twitter.com/#!/alexismp/status/3081776125706240 >> >> http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3088047545524224 >> >> http://twitter.com/#!/marcuslagergren/status/3083494049714177 >> >> http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3083449351012352 >> >> http://twitter.com/#!/robilad/status/3082072033857536 >> >> >> Hey all, congratulations? ?The nail biting is over! >> >> + David Herron >> http://davidherron.com >> > > I see 237 tweets (past hour): > > ? ? ? ?http://topsy.com/s?q=OpenJDK > > The press release: > > ? ? ? ?http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html > > reads at the bottom: > > ? ? ? ?Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers > ? ? ? ?in the world, ... > > Apple does not have an Ego problem. > > Bye We all know that Apple has no problem whatsoever. The only one who has problems (and causes problems) these days is Ellison, an evil man who came from space, to destroy all things good and pure, for instance by supporting OpenJDK as open source, investing in MySQL, continuing Netbeans, funding OpenOffice.org, and commiting to release JavaFX 2.0 as open source,too.... ;-) (sarcasm). How dares he? ;-) FC From rob.ross at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 19:05:16 2010 From: rob.ross at gmail.com (Rob Ross) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:05:16 -0800 Subject: In what universe does OpenJDK become the trending topic on twitter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <395C762D-0805-48DE-AC8B-5C44D62B8738@gmail.com> On Nov 12, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Jan Burse wrote: >>> >> >> I see 237 tweets (past hour): >> >> http://topsy.com/s?q=OpenJDK >> >> The press release: >> >> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html >> >> reads at the bottom: >> >> Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers >> in the world, ... >> >> Apple does not have an Ego problem. >> >> Bye > > We all know that Apple has no problem whatsoever. > > The only one who has problems (and causes problems) these days is > Ellison, an evil man who came from space, to destroy all things good > and pure, for instance by supporting OpenJDK as open source, investing > in MySQL, continuing Netbeans, funding OpenOffice.org, and commiting > to release JavaFX 2.0 as open source,too.... ;-) (sarcasm). > > How dares he? ;-) > FC Perhaps a new moniker then: Larry, Prince of Grayscale? Or, Larry, Prince of Unsaturated Colors? Rob From ramakanth.varala at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 07:17:14 2010 From: ramakanth.varala at gmail.com (ramakanth varala) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:47:14 +0530 Subject: how to build openjdk in fedora Message-ID: Hello all, when iam doing configure in openjdk-6-6b18-1.8.1.orig it stops with following error checking build identification... Built on Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) (Wed Nov 17 12:03:35 IST 2010) checking for a GCJ JDK home directory... configure: error: "A GCJ JDK home directory could not be found." do i need to get gcj on to my machine , can't i configure it without gcj and ecj i already have jdk1.6.0_18 on my machine. your comment's will be appreciated. From fweimer at bfk.de Wed Nov 17 08:14:51 2010 From: fweimer at bfk.de (Florian Weimer) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 08:14:51 +0000 Subject: how to build openjdk in fedora In-Reply-To: (ramakanth varala's message of "Wed\, 17 Nov 2010 12\:47\:14 +0530") References: Message-ID: <824obgmkn8.fsf@mid.bfk.de> * ramakanth varala: > checking build identification... Built on Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) > (Wed Nov 17 12:03:35 IST 2010) > checking for a GCJ JDK home directory... > configure: error: "A GCJ JDK home directory could not be found." Is this an IcedTea build? Stock OpenJDK should build fine if you follow the instructions (but the build process is far from a standard ./configure && make). -- Florian Weimer BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstra?e 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Thu Nov 25 21:28:34 2010 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:28:34 +0100 Subject: how to build openjdk in fedora In-Reply-To: <824obgmkn8.fsf@mid.bfk.de> References: <824obgmkn8.fsf@mid.bfk.de> Message-ID: <4CEED502.2030100@oracle.com> On 11/17/10 9:14 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > * ramakanth varala: > >> checking build identification... Built on Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) >> (Wed Nov 17 12:03:35 IST 2010) >> checking for a GCJ JDK home directory... >> configure: error: "A GCJ JDK home directory could not be found." > > Is this an IcedTea build? Yep. I'd suggest asking for help on distro-pkg-dev at openjdk, since that's where the Fedora/IcedTea experts are. For hands on help, you may want to try dropping by the #openjdk IRC channel on OFTC. cheers, dalibor topic -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Java F/OSS Ambassador Phone: +494023646738 | | | Mobile: +491772664192 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Fri Nov 26 13:14:39 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:14:39 +0000 Subject: how to build openjdk in fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17 November 2010 07:17, ramakanth varala wrote: > Hello all, > > when iam doing configure in openjdk-6-6b18-1.8.1.orig > > it stops with following error > > checking build identification... Built on Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) > (Wed Nov 17 12:03:35 IST 2010) > checking for a GCJ JDK home directory... > configure: error: "A GCJ JDK home directory could not be found." > > > do i need to get gcj on to my machine , can't i configure it without > gcj and ecj ?i already have jdk1.6.0_18 on my machine. > > your comment's will be appreciated. > Yes you need java-1.5.0-gcj as you need a JDK to bootstrap. -- Andrew :-) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) Support Free Java! Contribute to GNU Classpath and the OpenJDK http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath http://openjdk.java.net PGP Key: 94EFD9D8 (http://subkeys.pgp.net) Fingerprint: F8EF F1EA 401E 2E60 15FA? 7927 142C 2591 94EF D9D8 From henri.gomez at gmail.com Sat Nov 27 09:56:43 2010 From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:56:43 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages Message-ID: Hi to all, We're working on a continuous build of OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X (SnowLeopard). http://blog.hgomez.net/?p=670 Support for OS/X PKG/DMG packages has been recently added and we made a first set available here : http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/downloads/list We're working now on a new UI package, with images like OpenJDK logos and Duke and wonder about legal aspects. - Could we include OpenJDK logo and some Duke images (from http://duke.kenai.com/ since BSD licences) ? - Apart the GPL notice about source code location, what should be added also in the package ? Regards From henri.gomez at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 07:46:37 2010 From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:46:37 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Nice work, Henri! > > Any chance you can make distributions for Snow Leopard that are in the > newer .jdk package and get recognized by the 10.6.5 Java Preferences? Well if we know what to do to get it recognized by Java Prefs, why not ? Any link about it ? > Just wondering. Thanks for all your efforts! > Thanks and you're very welcome From henri.gomez at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 07:48:25 2010 From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:48:25 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > This is great! Are you also going to do a build with the Lambda langtools? > For now we built with contents from OpenJDK 1.7 bsd port. Should Lambda langtools be added in bsd port or does it need a special build ? From forax at univ-mlv.fr Mon Nov 29 08:34:47 2010 From: forax at univ-mlv.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Forax?=) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:34:47 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CF365A7.3060802@univ-mlv.fr> On 11/29/2010 08:48 AM, Henri Gomez wrote: >> This is great! Are you also going to do a build with the Lambda langtools? >> > For now we built with contents from OpenJDK 1.7 bsd port. > Should Lambda langtools be added in bsd port or does it need a special build > ? Lambda langtools will soon require some VM/JDK specific API, In my opinion it's too soon to introduce lamda in a binary build, it's better to wait its integration in jdk8 repository when it will be created. R?mi From henri.gomez at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 08:56:33 2010 From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:56:33 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: <4CF365A7.3060802@univ-mlv.fr> References: <4CF365A7.3060802@univ-mlv.fr> Message-ID: > > >> > Lambda langtools will soon require some VM/JDK specific API, > In my opinion it's too soon to introduce lamda in a binary build, > it's better to wait its integration in jdk8 repository when it will be > created. > > So if it's not part of standard JDK7, it shouldn't be added in build. From fcassia at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 09:12:59 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 06:12:59 -0300 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Henri Gomez wrote: > Hi to all, > > We're working on a continuous build of OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X (SnowLeopard). > > http://blog.hgomez.net/?p=670 Very good work. Question: has any of the Apple OSX code landed in OpenJDK yet? FC From henri.gomez at gmail.com Mon Nov 29 09:17:50 2010 From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:17:50 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Very good work. Thanks > Question: has any of the Apple OSX code landed in OpenJDK yet? > Not yet. There was some discussions on bsd-port-dev at openjdk.java.net list but I still didn't see any Apple commit. As everybody on OS/X community, I'm impatient :) From mark at klomp.org Mon Nov 29 21:53:03 2010 From: mark at klomp.org (Mark Wielaard) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:53:03 +0100 Subject: CFP Free Java @ FOSDEM 2011 - ends this week Message-ID: <1291067583.6002.11.camel@hermans.wildebeest.org> All: The CFP will end this week. So please submit your ideas for Free Java @ FOSDEM 2011 to fosdem at developer.classpath.org ASAP. 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Tom Marble Java Libre hacker, Former OpenJDK Ambassador From fcassia at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 15:47:32 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:47:32 -0300 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Henri Gomez wrote: > Hi to all, > > We're working on a continuous build of OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X (SnowLeopard). > > http://blog.hgomez.net/?p=670 Congrats, you made it to the news. :) http://www.techeye.net/software/oracles-open-source-java-for-mac-os-x-built Now you can have your own wikipedia entry with a backlink to a creditable news source. :) FC From henri.gomez at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 16:03:41 2010 From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:03:41 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> http://blog.hgomez.net/?p=670 > > Congrats, you made it to the news. :) > > http://www.techeye.net/software/oracles-open-source-java-for-mac-os-x-built Wow, but you forget to mention Gildas (could you edit the article ?) > Now you can have your own wikipedia entry with a backlink to a > creditable news source. :) Well, we could do better, I'd like to sort out the JAVA_HOME / /usr/bin/java issue. I posted on Apple java-dev list and hope we get responses there. I feel it's an interim version, until Apple provide its own OpenJDK VM and back ports its Cocoa works. BTW, we'll be very happy to see more people join the OpenJDK OS/X, first on bsd-port and also on http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/ where all scriptings for continuous build is stored. From fcassia at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 16:49:45 2010 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:49:45 -0300 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Henri Gomez wrote: >>> http://blog.hgomez.net/?p=670 >> >> Congrats, you made it to the news. :) >> >> http://www.techeye.net/software/oracles-open-source-java-for-mac-os-x-built > > Wow, but you forget to mention Gildas (could you edit the article ?) I don?t currently have CMS access, but I?ll forward your request by e-mail to the news ed. >> Now you can have your own wikipedia entry with a backlink to a >> creditable news source. :) > > Well, we could do better, I'd like to sort out the JAVA_HOME / > /usr/bin/java issue. > I posted on Apple java-dev list and hope we get responses there. :-) > I feel it's an interim version, until Apple provide its own OpenJDK VM > and back ports its Cocoa works. That s right, but in the meantime this helps boost interest in the Java platform and counter the anti-Java FUD so prevalent these days on the newswires. > BTW, we'll be very happy to see more people join the OpenJDK OS/X, > first on bsd-port and also on > http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/ where all scriptings for > continuous build is stored. That?s the general idea. The more people using your builds, the more bugs reported. :) FC From henri.gomez at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 16:59:20 2010 From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:59:20 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I don?t currently have CMS access, but I?ll forward your request by > e-mail to the news ed. Done, thanks for Gildas > That s right, but in the meantime this helps boost interest in the > Java platform and counter the anti-Java FUD so prevalent these days on > the newswires. Yes and a strong signal to OS/X users, there will be an OpenSource VM for them. many were worried by Apple announce to stop support on Apple VM. > That?s the general idea. The more people using your builds, the more > bugs reported. :) Exactly and more people, more ideas, more neurons in actions. From henri.gomez at gmail.com Tue Nov 30 23:39:11 2010 From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 00:39:11 +0100 Subject: OpenJDK 1.7 for OS/X packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys Good news, Alexander Strange, from Apple, proposed a patch on java-dev list : --- The problem is that java_md.c's SetExecname() is not implemented for BSD/Darwin in bsd-port. It falls back to using argv[0], but this is a very fragile way to find the path to your own binary, and in particular doesn't work with /usr/bin/java. The Solaris version of that function should work fine, so just add "|| defined(__APPLE__)" to the "#if defined(__sun)" to enable it. Note that the actual launcher source used is in jdk/src/solaris/bin/java_md.c. --- --- jdk/src/solaris/bin/java_md.c 2010-11-21 00:48:24.000000000 +0100 +++ jdk/src/solaris/bin/java_md.c 2010-12-01 00:13:49.000000000 +0100 @@ -692,7 +692,7 @@ SetExecname(char **argv) { char* exec_path = NULL; -#if defined(__solaris__) +#if defined(__solaris__) || defined(__APPLE__) { Dl_info dlinfo; int (*fptr)(); I tested and it seems to fix the java started issue. Updating my build process right now From gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org Tue Nov 30 23:43:21 2010 From: gnu_andrew at member.fsf.org (Dr Andrew John Hughes) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:43:21 +0000 Subject: Project Proposal: Mac OS X Port In-Reply-To: <4CF54395.1070101@oracle.com> References: <4CF54395.1070101@oracle.com> Message-ID: On 30 November 2010 18:33, Dalibor Topic wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the Mac OS X Port Project. > > The primary goal of this Project will be to provide a place for > the work on the port of JDK 7 to the Mac OS X platform. > > In particular, this Project will serve as the initial location > for the announced [1] contributions from Apple to OpenJDK on > their way to JDK 7. > > This Project's source code forests will be initially populated > with code from the BSD Port's JDK 7 forest. > > I request sponsorship from the Porters Group. ?Mark Reinhold and I > will serve as the Moderators of this Project. > > cheers, > dalibor topic > > [1] http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html > > -- > Oracle > Dalibor Topic | Java F/OSS Ambassador > Phone: +494023646738 | | | Mobile: +491772664192 > Oracle Java Platform Group > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. 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