From mark.reinhold at oracle.com Mon Mar 21 17:22:12 2011 From: mark.reinhold at oracle.com (mark.reinhold at oracle.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:22:12 -0700 Subject: Planning JDK 8, and beyond Message-ID: <20110321172212.4C9AC130D@eggemoggin.niobe.net> It's time to start thinking about planning JDK 8. We already know what some of the big-ticket items are likely to be. There'll be room for other features too, however, both large and small. It's therefore time to define a simple process for collecting, sorting, reviewing, and prioritizing proposals and plans for new features, for JDK 8 and for later releases. Some essential requirements (not in priority order): - As lightweight as possible. - Simple mechanics. - Version-controlled, so that changes can be tracked. - Open to all committers, with transparent decision-making. - The basic format should not be too different from (a simplified form of) the old Sun "one-pager" template [1], with which many are already familiar. - An approved proposal should be able to serve as the authoritative source of the summary and reference information needed for related documents such as the release feature list [2] and the Platform Umbrella JSR specification [3]. One can imagine all sorts of fancy database-backed systems that would fulfill these requirements, but we need something sooner rather than later. I think a workable solution, at least for now, is to collect proposals as structured text files in a Mercurial repository. So that people don't have to write raw HTML or XML we could use the "Markdown" lightweight markup language [4] together with an existing convention for placing common metadata at the top of a file [5]. The Mercurial repository would be set up so that a push operation would automatically update the appropriate web pages on openjdk.java.net. I've adapted an existing draft proposal for JDK 8 into Markdown as an example [6] (thanks to Maurizio Cimadamore for the draft). The exact template format would, of course, be a topic of further discussion. Comments? - Mark [1] http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+arc/onepager [2] E.g., http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk7/features/ [3] E.g., http://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/edr/jsr336/index.html [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown [5] http://www.freewisdom.org/projects/python-markdown/Meta-Data [6] http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~mr/draft-mcimadamore-inference.md From roger.lewis at oracle.com Mon Mar 21 19:00:29 2011 From: roger.lewis at oracle.com (roger.lewis at oracle.com) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Auto Reply: discuss Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1 Message-ID: This is an auto-replied message. I am out of office this week at training in Redwood Shores. I will have limited access to email. For urgent issues: For issues related to java.com Help and FAQ pages, please contact Ketan Shah. For externally reported JDK6 or JDK7 issues, please contact Roger Yeung. For bugreport.sun.com and bugs.sun.com please contact Nelson D'Costa. 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For all other issues, Roger Calnan -Roger Sent from my BlackBerry? powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com Wed Mar 23 16:30:11 2011 From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:30:11 +0000 Subject: Planning JDK 8, and beyond In-Reply-To: <20110321172212.4C9AC130D@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20110321172212.4C9AC130D@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <4D8A2013.5060501@oracle.com> mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > It's time to start thinking about planning JDK 8. > > We already know what some of the big-ticket items are likely to be. > There'll be room for other features too, however, both large and small. > It's therefore time to define a simple process for collecting, sorting, > reviewing, and prioritizing proposals and plans for new features, for > JDK 8 and for later releases. > I didn't see any replies to this but using a repository, a basic format like the old Sun one-pagers, and Markdown seems very straight-forward to me. Your mail didn't go into of the details as to how proposals are reviewed and approved but I assume that is something to follow. Another thing, at least for non-Oracle folks, is that it would be good to expand a bit on the type or size of proposals that would need to be submitted to the repository. Those of us that had Sun T-shirts are used to writing up something for features that are estimated to take two or more weeks and I assume something similar is intended here. That is, I assume someone with a proposal for a very small ticket item, say adding a method to an existing class where the total amount of work is in days rather than weeks, would not be required to add a proposal, right? -Alan. From frans at meruvian.org Thu Mar 24 15:32:41 2011 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:32:41 +0700 Subject: Oracle will disc.. Itanium Message-ID: hi all do u know, oracle will discountinue itanium will oracle also drop the itanium release for JDK? any idea to make Itanium JDK will be in the market .. -- Frans Thamura Director Meruvian. Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider. Mobile: +628557888699 Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id) FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian Website: http://www.meruvian.org "We grow because we share the same belief." From davidh at 7gen.com Thu Mar 24 15:39:22 2011 From: davidh at 7gen.com (David Herron) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:39:22 -0700 Subject: Oracle will disc.. Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One way would be for Intel to join the OpenJDK project with the intent to provide support for their CPU architecture. Yes? I believe that Intel has a software group whose role is to work with other organizations to ensure various software packages work well on Intel's hardware. + David Herron On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Frans Thamura wrote: > hi all > > do u know, oracle will discountinue itanium > > will oracle also drop the itanium release for JDK? > > any idea to make Itanium JDK will be in the market .. > > > -- > Frans Thamura > Director > Meruvian. > Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider. > > Mobile: +628557888699 > Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id) > > FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian > TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian > Website: http://www.meruvian.org > > "We grow because we share the same belief." > From frans at meruvian.org Thu Mar 24 15:41:51 2011 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:41:51 +0700 Subject: Oracle will disc.. Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i am waiting for this news, intel come to openjdk so openjdk project will be more relevance F On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM, David Herron wrote: > > One way would be for Intel to join the OpenJDK project with the intent to > provide support for their CPU architecture.? Yes? > > I believe that Intel has a software group whose role is to work with other > organizations to ensure various software packages work well on Intel's > hardware. > > + David Herron > > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Frans Thamura wrote: >> >> hi all >> >> do u know, oracle will discountinue itanium >> >> will oracle also drop the itanium release for JDK? >> >> any idea to make Itanium JDK will be in the market .. >> >> >> -- >> Frans Thamura >> Director >> Meruvian. >> Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider. >> >> Mobile: +628557888699 >> Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id) >> >> FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian >> TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian >> Website: http://www.meruvian.org >> >> "We grow because we share the same belief." > > From frans at meruvian.org Thu Mar 24 22:49:44 2011 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:49:44 +0700 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization Message-ID: hi there we know JRockit VE in the market JRockit will come to OpenJDK but... will OPenJDK have VE feature, or someone can work on it legally? F From gunnar.morling at googlemail.com Thu Mar 24 23:31:07 2011 From: gunnar.morling at googlemail.com (Gunnar Morling) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:31:07 +0100 Subject: Planning JDK 8, and beyond Message-ID: Hi Mark, have you considered using JIRA for this? I think compared to simple text files this would provide a lot of advantages with respect to sorting, prioritizing and commenting proposals. You would also get other things such as a release feature list, voting on proposals etc. for free. One could start simple (e.g. by creating proposals with a description following the one-pager format), but go on to a more structured approach (e.g. with dedicated issue fields) later on if needed. If required, also a work-flow with specific proposal states etc. could be set up. By creating a JIRA project e.g. on java.net, setting up this approach should not take much more time than working with text files in Mercurial. -Gunnar 2011/3/21 Mark Reinhold > > It's time to start thinking about planning JDK 8. > > We already know what some of the big-ticket items are likely to be. > There'll be room for other features too, however, both large and small. > It's therefore time to define a simple process for collecting, sorting, > reviewing, and prioritizing proposals and plans for new features, for > JDK 8 and for later releases. > > ... > > One can imagine all sorts of fancy database-backed systems that would > fulfill these requirements, but we need something sooner rather than > later. I think a workable solution, at least for now, is to collect > proposals as structured text files in a Mercurial repository. From mark.reinhold at oracle.com Fri Mar 25 16:22:07 2011 From: mark.reinhold at oracle.com (mark.reinhold at oracle.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:22:07 -0700 Subject: Planning JDK 8, and beyond In-Reply-To: alan.bateman@oracle.com; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:30:11 -0000; <4D8A2013.5060501@oracle.com> Message-ID: <20110325162207.9CF4970A@eggemoggin.niobe.net> 2011/3/23 9:30 -0700, alan.bateman at oracle.com: > Your mail didn't go into of the details as to how proposals are reviewed and > approved but I assume that is something to follow. Yep. > Another thing, at least for non-Oracle folks, is that it would be good to > expand a bit on the type or size of proposals that would need to be submitted > to the repository. Those of us that had Sun T-shirts are used to writing up > something for features that are estimated to take two or more weeks and I > assume something similar is intended here. That is, I assume someone with a > proposal for a very small ticket item, say adding a method to an existing class > where the total amount of work is in days rather than weeks, would not be > required to add a proposal, right? Right. - Mark From nichole.scott at oracle.com Thu Mar 24 15:54:07 2011 From: nichole.scott at oracle.com (Nichole Scott) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 08:54:07 -0700 Subject: [jug-leaders] Oracle will disc.. Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D8B691F.6070407@oracle.com> For information regarding Itanium, you can refer to: http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/features/itanium-346707.html On 3/24/2011 8:32 AM, Frans Thamura wrote: > hi all > > do u know, oracle will discountinue itanium > > will oracle also drop the itanium release for JDK? > > any idea to make Itanium JDK will be in the market .. > > > -- > Frans Thamura > Director > Meruvian. > Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider. > > Mobile: +628557888699 > Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id) > > FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian > TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian > Website: http://www.meruvian.org > > "We grow because we share the same belief." -- Oracle Nichole Scott | Senior Manager Phone: +1 650 506 0856 | Mobile: +1 408 839 4078 Oracle Global Customer Programs Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From fcassia at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 21:04:39 2011 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:04:39 -0300 Subject: Oracle will disc.. Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: > i am waiting for this news, intel come to openjdk Fedora dropped its ia64 effort some time ago. The platform is going down the tubes. Move along, nothing to see here. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/IA64#Current_Status_of_Fedora-ia64 FC From frans at meruvian.org Sat Mar 26 22:02:44 2011 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:02:44 +0700 Subject: Oracle will disc.. Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 64 bit era is over? F On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Frans Thamura > wrote: > > i am waiting for this news, intel come to openjdk > > Fedora dropped its ia64 effort some time ago. The platform is going > down the tubes. Move along, nothing to see here. > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/IA64#Current_Status_of_Fedora-ia64 > > FC > From fcassia at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 22:49:10 2011 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:49:10 -0300 Subject: Oracle will disc.. Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: > 64 bit era is over? > F Itanium began being irrelevant when AMD came up with the AMD64 architecture. Then Intel admited defeat when it embraced it, labelling it EM64T. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1561875,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/08/xeon_amd64_fix/ At Unisys, Itanium chip is dead http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10167332-64.html The Intel Itanium is tottering towards death, analyst reckons http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44828-the-intel-itanium-is-tottering-towards-death-analyst-reckons So, overall your concern is 6 years old... AMD64-EM64T beat IA64 years ago. FC From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Sun Mar 27 08:21:18 2011 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:21:18 +0200 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> On 3/24/11 11:49 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: > will OPenJDK have VE feature, or someone can work on it legally? Hi Frans, we don't plan to make JRockit VE part of OpenJDK. To quote from Henrik's blog post on our JVM strategy at http://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/2010/11/oracles_jvm_strategy.html , "Sun's Java for Business and Oracle's JRockit Mission Control, JRockit Real Time and JRockit Virtual Edition remain proprietary value-adds and continue to be licensed on a commercial basis as premium products" cheers, dalibor topic -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Java F/OSS Ambassador Phone: +494023646738 | | | Mobile: +491772664192 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From frans at meruvian.org Sun Mar 27 08:23:29 2011 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 08:23:29 +0000 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization In-Reply-To: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> References: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> Message-ID: <191408114-1301214212-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818210902-@b15.c1.bise3.blackberry> Jdk for vmware must use another name, equals to fork? Any vmware guy plan for this? -----Original Message----- From: Dalibor Topic Sender: discuss-bounces at openjdk.java.net Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:21:18 To: Subject: Re: OpenJDK for Virtualization On 3/24/11 11:49 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: > will OPenJDK have VE feature, or someone can work on it legally? Hi Frans, we don't plan to make JRockit VE part of OpenJDK. To quote from Henrik's blog post on our JVM strategy at http://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/2010/11/oracles_jvm_strategy.html , "Sun's Java for Business and Oracle's JRockit Mission Control, JRockit Real Time and JRockit Virtual Edition remain proprietary value-adds and continue to be licensed on a commercial basis as premium products" cheers, dalibor topic -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Java F/OSS Ambassador Phone: +494023646738 | | | Mobile: +491772664192 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From fcassia at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 15:02:10 2011 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:02:10 -0300 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization In-Reply-To: <191408114-1301214212-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818210902-@b15.c1.bise3.blackberry> References: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> <191408114-1301214212-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818210902-@b15.c1.bise3.blackberry> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Frans Thamura wrote: > equals to fork? Are you a troll?. Don?t answer. FC From frans at meruvian.org Sun Mar 27 15:14:26 2011 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:14:26 +0700 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization In-Reply-To: References: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> <191408114-1301214212-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818210902-@b15.c1.bise3.blackberry> Message-ID: not a troll this is an important feature in trending cloud computing F On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Frans Thamura wrote: >> equals to fork? > > Are you a troll?. > Don?t answer. > > FC > From fcassia at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 15:24:36 2011 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:24:36 -0300 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization In-Reply-To: References: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> <191408114-1301214212-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818210902-@b15.c1.bise3.blackberry> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: > not a troll > > this is an important feature in trending cloud computing OK sorry then. I just saw you complaining about the dropping of IA64 support in another message, so I thought you were a serial complainer. :) FC From frans at meruvian.org Sun Mar 27 15:26:55 2011 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:26:55 +0700 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization In-Reply-To: References: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> <191408114-1301214212-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818210902-@b15.c1.bise3.blackberry> Message-ID: 1. of course IA64, if Java is communityproduct and less politic inside, iA64 must be maintain, because like it or not, there is someone still using itanium.. like my client here. so, even oracle dont have right to stop :0 the Java, but for fusion, ebusines, etc, because those are propietary, that is up to oracle. 2. the virtualization this is cool product, and if openjdk wont keep this or make this feature, i believe, someone have skill (not me), and have interest with this tech.. and we can said this is fork. On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: >> not a troll >> >> this is an important feature in trending cloud computing > > OK sorry then. I just saw you complaining about the dropping of IA64 > support in another message, so I thought you were a serial complainer. > :) > > FC > From fcassia at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 15:52:15 2011 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:52:15 -0300 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization In-Reply-To: References: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> <191408114-1301214212-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818210902-@b15.c1.bise3.blackberry> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: > 1. > of course IA64, if Java is communityproduct and less politic inside, > iA64 must be maintain, because like it or not, there is someone still > using itanium.. like my client here. I still keep IBM OS/2 running here, yet I don?t "blame" anyone and I don?t go around saying it "must" be supported just because "someone is still using it". OpenJDK is open source. Build it and fix any IA64 related bugs yourself. Nothing and no one is preventing you from doing so. FC From frans at meruvian.org Sun Mar 27 15:55:02 2011 From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:55:02 +0700 Subject: OpenJDK for Virtualization In-Reply-To: References: <4D8EF37E.6080108@oracle.com> <191408114-1301214212-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-818210902-@b15.c1.bise3.blackberry> Message-ID: > I still keep IBM OS/2 running here, yet I don?t "blame" anyone and I > don?t go around saying it "must" be supported just because "someone is > still using it". > > OpenJDK is open source. Build it and fix any IA64 related bugs > yourself. Nothing and no one is preventing you from doing so. so we are waiting HP come here.. can he get space for ia64 bug fix, what happen if HP wanna to continue the Java for Itanium is it possible? so the openjdk ecosistem will keep continue the support to any thing, until the community gone... NB: i write this thread because a request from HP General Manager that head the ebusiness division here, in Indonesia.. so this is not my idea, i have only 1 client using Itanium in last 12 years of my Java experience.. From tobeand at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 02:48:44 2011 From: tobeand at gmail.com (tobeand) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:48:44 +0800 Subject: Planning JDK 8, and beyond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will we have list comprehension in JDK 8? I am looking forward. Owen Chang From aph at redhat.com Mon Mar 28 09:55:32 2011 From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:55:32 +0100 Subject: Planning JDK 8, and beyond In-Reply-To: <20110321172212.4C9AC130D@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20110321172212.4C9AC130D@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <4D905B14.80201@redhat.com> On 21/03/11 17:22, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > One can imagine all sorts of fancy database-backed systems that would > fulfill these requirements, but we need something sooner rather than > later. I think a workable solution, at least for now, is to collect > proposals as structured text files in a Mercurial repository. So that > people don't have to write raw HTML or XML we could use the "Markdown" > lightweight markup language [4] together with an existing convention > for placing common metadata at the top of a file [5]. The Mercurial > repository would be set up so that a push operation would automatically > update the appropriate web pages on openjdk.java.net. > > I've adapted an existing draft proposal for JDK 8 into Markdown as an > example [6] (thanks to Maurizio Cimadamore for the draft). The exact > template format would, of course, be a topic of further discussion. I've never come across markdown before, but it looks ideal. Andrew. From volker.simonis at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 14:54:20 2011 From: volker.simonis at gmail.com (Volker Simonis) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:54:20 +0200 Subject: [jug-leaders] Oracle will disc.. Itanium In-Reply-To: <4D8B691F.6070407@oracle.com> References: <4D8B691F.6070407@oracle.com> Message-ID: The question was about the Itanium release of the JDK and the link you provide contains absolutly no information about the JDK. Could you please be more specific... Regards, Volker On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Nichole Scott wrote: > For information regarding Itanium, you can refer to: > http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/features/itanium-346707.html > > On 3/24/2011 8:32 AM, Frans Thamura wrote: >> >> hi all >> >> do u know, oracle will discountinue itanium >> >> will oracle also drop the itanium release for JDK? >> >> any idea to make Itanium JDK will be in the market .. >> >> >> -- >> Frans Thamura >> Director >> Meruvian. >> Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider. >> >> Mobile: +628557888699 >> Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id) >> >> FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian >> TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian >> Website: http://www.meruvian.org >> >> "We grow because we share the same belief." > > -- > Oracle > Nichole Scott | Senior Manager > Phone: +1 650 506 0856 | Mobile: +1 408 839 4078 > > Oracle Global Customer Programs > > Green Oracle Oracle is committed to > developing practices and products that help protect the environment > From volker.simonis at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 15:38:39 2011 From: volker.simonis at gmail.com (Volker Simonis) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:38:39 +0200 Subject: Oracle will disc.. Itanium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just for clarification (and in response to your last messages on the "OpenJDK for Virtualization"-thread): - OpenJDK doesn't currently support Itanium in any way (and it would be not trivial to add Itanium support from scratch) - IcedTea (http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page) once build and run on Itanium, but there's evidence that that's not the case anymore: see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345433. Notice that this was an Interpreter only version based on Gary Bensons Zero-port of the the OpenJDK. As this project was sponsored by RedHad and RedHad dropped Itanium support you probably don't have to be a visionary to predict its future. - JRockit had an Itanium version until 1.5, but as JRockit was acquired by Oracle, and Oracle dropped Itanium support so you probably... - there have been rumors that HP (who have a current Itanium JDK on HPUX) also had a version which runs on Linux, but I've never seen it. If you have a request from an "HP General Manager" you should probably ask him... - there's a current commercial Linux/Itanium JDK available from SAP - but it's not distributed standalone, only in conjunction with other SAP products running on top of it. - theres a current binary version of the JDK available for Linux/Itanium from Oracle but this version is maintained by Intel and only downloadable from Oracle. The most interesting question (and probably the only chance for Java on Linux/Itanium) will be if Intel will be able (legally) and willing (financially) to further support its port (being it as binary download or in the open trough OpenJDK). But I doubt you'll get an answer for this question on this list. Regards, Volker On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Frans Thamura wrote: >> 64 bit era is over? >> F > > Itanium began being irrelevant when AMD came up with the AMD64 > architecture. Then Intel admited defeat when it embraced it, labelling > it EM64T. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1561875,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532 > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/08/xeon_amd64_fix/ > > At Unisys, Itanium chip is dead > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10167332-64.html > > The Intel Itanium is tottering towards death, analyst reckons > http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/44828-the-intel-itanium-is-tottering-towards-death-analyst-reckons > > So, overall your concern is 6 years old... AMD64-EM64T beat IA64 years ago. > > FC > From ktyopenjdk at yoderhome.com Thu Mar 31 20:11:56 2011 From: ktyopenjdk at yoderhome.com (Kurt Yoder) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:11:56 -0400 Subject: importing a local CA certificate into cacerts keystore Message-ID: <468F3A07-6FF7-4D35-909A-851E99FF61C9@yoderhome.com> Hello all, I'm trying to run Apache Archiva using OpenJDK, and authenticating off SSL-protected LDAP. This is throwing an exception "sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target". Since my LDAP server's SSL is signed using my local CA certificate, I presume this error effectively is telling me I need to import my local CA certificate into the OpenJDK keystore. Following this reasoning I am attempting to import my root CA, but I can't figure out how to do it. I tried: keytool -importcert -file /etc/ssl/certs/my-ca.pem -keystore /etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts which gives me: keytool error: java.lang.Exception: Input not an X.509 certificate I also tried: keytool -importkeystore -v -srckeystore /etc/ssl/certs/my-ca.pem -destkeystore /etc/ssl/certs/java/cacerts but this gives me keytool error: java.io.IOException: Invalid keystore format java.io.IOException: Invalid keystore format at sun.security.provider.JavaKeyStore.engineLoad(JavaKeyStore.java:650) at sun.security.provider.JavaKeyStore$JKS.engineLoad(JavaKeyStore.java:55) at java.security.KeyStore.load(KeyStore.java:1201) at sun.security.tools.KeyTool.loadSourceKeyStore(KeyTool.java:1560) at sun.security.tools.KeyTool.doImportKeyStore(KeyTool.java:1603) at sun.security.tools.KeyTool.doCommands(KeyTool.java:881) at sun.security.tools.KeyTool.run(KeyTool.java:194) at sun.security.tools.KeyTool.main(KeyTool.java:188) Searching on the internet, I see something that *looks* like what I want, but doesn't appear to work with openjdk's keytool: http://www.grok2.com/blog/2010/09/14/keytool-jarsigner-oddity-on-ubuntu-with-openjdk-version-6/ eg "keytool -import -alias myCA -file my-ca.pem" So does anyone have suggestions? Am I doing it wrong?