From aph at redhat.com  Wed Feb  1 10:25:04 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:25:04 +0000
Subject: CFV: New Project: Penrose
In-Reply-To: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
References: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F291300.9060700@redhat.com>

Vote: yes


From chris.hegarty at oracle.com  Wed Feb  1 10:39:22 2012
From: chris.hegarty at oracle.com (Chris Hegarty)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:39:22 +0000
Subject: CFV: New Project: Penrose
In-Reply-To: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
References: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F29165A.8090106@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

-Chris


From nestorjb at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 12:10:27 2012
From: nestorjb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=E9stor_Bosc=E1n?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:40:27 -0430
Subject: OpenJDK and J2EE App Servers
Message-ID: <CALyLaQJnibf57W2PSwW=Y6g18c2bJV8B5JnoJsmd3jXrprmfog@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Has anyone seen any J2EE App Server (Glassfish, Tomcat or JBoss) working on
OpenJDK?. I had an issue a couple of months ago were Tomcat 7.0.11 didn't
work over OpenJDK.

Regards,

N?stor Bosc?n


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 13:20:50 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:20:50 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK and J2EE App Servers
In-Reply-To: <CALyLaQJnibf57W2PSwW=Y6g18c2bJV8B5JnoJsmd3jXrprmfog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyLaQJnibf57W2PSwW=Y6g18c2bJV8B5JnoJsmd3jXrprmfog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQtim0hjFyzn=0VKPeR7j_VpWJ705xb=B6CAZC+x__ai3MDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Nestor,

I run GlassFish 3.1.1 on OpenJDK (Mac OS X and BSD Ports) with no issues.

John
____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
<https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
____________________________

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



2012/2/1 N?stor Bosc?n <nestorjb at gmail.com>

> Hi
>
> Has anyone seen any J2EE App Server (Glassfish, Tomcat or JBoss) working on
> OpenJDK?. I had an issue a couple of months ago were Tomcat 7.0.11 didn't
> work over OpenJDK.
>
> Regards,
>
> N?stor Bosc?n
>


From nestorjb at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 13:40:46 2012
From: nestorjb at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=E9stor_Bosc=E1n?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:10:46 -0430
Subject: OpenJDK and J2EE App Servers
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtim0hjFyzn=0VKPeR7j_VpWJ705xb=B6CAZC+x__ai3MDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyLaQJnibf57W2PSwW=Y6g18c2bJV8B5JnoJsmd3jXrprmfog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtim0hjFyzn=0VKPeR7j_VpWJ705xb=B6CAZC+x__ai3MDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALyLaQ+OFqm9y_VSFjs+r8gUAr9-v+eOes704vwzKXsyq_7aww@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John

Thanks a lot for the info. You were using OpenJDK 6 or 7?

Anybody with experience using JBoss.

Regards,

N?stor Bosc?n

2012/2/1 John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com>

> Hello Nestor,
>
> I run GlassFish 3.1.1 on OpenJDK (Mac OS X and BSD Ports) with no issues.
>
> John
> ____________________________
>
> John Yeary
> ____________________________
>
> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>   <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>   <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>   <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> ____________________________
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> 2012/2/1 N?stor Bosc?n <nestorjb at gmail.com>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Has anyone seen any J2EE App Server (Glassfish, Tomcat or JBoss) working
>> on
>> OpenJDK?. I had an issue a couple of months ago were Tomcat 7.0.11 didn't
>> work over OpenJDK.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> N?stor Bosc?n
>>
>
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 13:51:42 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:51:42 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK and J2EE App Servers
In-Reply-To: <CALyLaQ+OFqm9y_VSFjs+r8gUAr9-v+eOes704vwzKXsyq_7aww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyLaQJnibf57W2PSwW=Y6g18c2bJV8B5JnoJsmd3jXrprmfog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtim0hjFyzn=0VKPeR7j_VpWJ705xb=B6CAZC+x__ai3MDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALyLaQ+OFqm9y_VSFjs+r8gUAr9-v+eOes704vwzKXsyq_7aww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQtim9iUkr4MC4nWuyVk48kNRzQ_quFXjtFqYFYVhgphcVqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello N?stor,

I am using OpenJDK 7. Sorry I am a GlassFish guy so I have not tried JBoss
AS.

John
____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
<https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
____________________________

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



2012/2/1 N?stor Bosc?n <nestorjb at gmail.com>

> Hi John
>
> Thanks a lot for the info. You were using OpenJDK 6 or 7?
>
> Anybody with experience using JBoss.
>
> Regards,
>
> N?stor Bosc?n
>
> 2012/2/1 John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com>
>
>> Hello Nestor,
>>
>> I run GlassFish 3.1.1 on OpenJDK (Mac OS X and BSD Ports) with no issues.
>>
>> John
>> ____________________________
>>
>> John Yeary
>> ____________________________
>>
>> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>>   <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>>   <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>>   <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
>> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
>> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
>> that knows not victory nor defeat."
>> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/2/1 N?stor Bosc?n <nestorjb at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen any J2EE App Server (Glassfish, Tomcat or JBoss) working
>>> on
>>> OpenJDK?. I had an issue a couple of months ago were Tomcat 7.0.11 didn't
>>> work over OpenJDK.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> N?stor Bosc?n
>>>
>>
>>
>


From xiomara.jayasena at oracle.com  Wed Feb  1 17:02:26 2012
From: xiomara.jayasena at oracle.com (Xiomara Jayasena)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:02:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CFV: New Project: Penrose
In-Reply-To: <4F291300.9060700@redhat.com>
References: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com> <4F291300.9060700@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <ac2ef86e-6b45-415c-aa8d-0940bb64a98f@default>


Vote: yes

-Xiomara


From mandy.chung at oracle.com  Wed Feb  1 18:38:51 2012
From: mandy.chung at oracle.com (Mandy Chung)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:38:51 -0800
Subject: CFV: New Project: Penrose
In-Reply-To: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
References: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F2986BB.4050508@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

Mandy


From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com  Wed Feb  1 18:44:54 2012
From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:44:54 +0000
Subject: CFV: New Project: Penrose
In-Reply-To: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
References: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F298826.9080601@oracle.com>

Votes: yes


From iris.clark at oracle.com  Thu Feb  2 19:10:20 2012
From: iris.clark at oracle.com (Iris Clark)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:10:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CFV: New Project: Penrose
In-Reply-To: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
References: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe0c1436-17d7-44a5-abf8-d96e5eee179c@default>

Vote: yes

iris


From john.r.rose at oracle.com  Fri Feb  3 07:36:26 2012
From: john.r.rose at oracle.com (John Rose)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 23:36:26 -0800
Subject: CFV: New Project: Penrose
In-Reply-To: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
References: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E44ECE-22DF-4A50-8CD0-AE5EF49481C9@oracle.com>

Vote: yes


From paul.hohensee at oracle.com  Fri Feb  3 18:53:59 2012
From: paul.hohensee at oracle.com (Paul Hohensee)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:53:59 -0500
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
In-Reply-To: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
References: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <4F2C2D47.4090308@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

On 2/3/12 9:10 AM, Douglas Simon wrote:
> I hereby propose the creation of the Graal Project with Thomas Wuerthinger [1]
> as the Lead and hotspot as the sponsoring Group.
>
> The goal of the Graal project is to design a dynamic compiler in Java that
> produces excellent code quality without compromising compile time and
> memory usage by the JVM. The origin and starting point for this project
> would be the Graal compiler from the Maxine code base. For more detail,
> see the proposal [2] sent out last week.
>
> To ensure the broadest possible collaboration between potential contributors
> the project will maintain one or more code repositories derived from the
> OpenJDK HotSpot repository [3] and a developers' mailing list. The Graal
> code repository and developers' mailing list will be under the GPL license
> (GPL) version 2 with the OpenJDK Assembly Exception.
>
> Thomas will lead the project. He works for Oracle Labs and is the author of
> the Dynamic Code Evolution VM [4] and the Ideal Graph Visualizer [5].
> He also worked on the Crankshaft/V8 optimizing compiler [6] and implemented
> an algorithm for array bounds check elimination [7] for the HotSpot
> Client compiler.
>
> Based on previous significant contributions to the project's initial
> source base, the initial committers will be:
> Gilles Duboscq
> Doug Simon
> Lukas Stadler
> Christian Wimmer
> Andreas Woess
> Thomas Wuerthinger
>
> The initial authors will be:
> Rickard Backman
> Laurent Daynes
> Matthias Grimmer
> Christian Haeubl
> Marcus Lagergren
> Manuel Rigger
>
> Votes are due by Friday February 17th, 2012 at 17:00h UTC.
>
> Only current OpenJDK Members [8] are eligible to vote on this motion.
>
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [9].
>
> Doug Simon
>
> [1] http://ssw.jku.at/General/Staff/TW/
> [2] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2012-January/002395.html
> [3] http://hg.openjdk.java.net/hsx/hotspot-main/
> [4] http://ssw.jku.at/dcevm/
> [5] http://ssw.jku.at/General/Staff/TW/igv.html
> [6] http://blog.chromium.org/2010/12/new-crankshaft-for-v8.html
> [7] http://ssw.jku.at/Research/Papers/Wuerthinger07/
> [8] http://openjdk.java.net/census/#members
> [9] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote


From Peter.B.Kessler at Oracle.COM  Fri Feb  3 19:34:56 2012
From: Peter.B.Kessler at Oracle.COM (Peter B. Kessler)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:34:56 -0800
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
In-Reply-To: <4F2C2D47.4090308@oracle.com>
References: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
	<4F2C2D47.4090308@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <4F2C36E0.7030401@Oracle.COM>

Vote: yes

			... peter

On 2/3/12 9:10 AM, Douglas Simon wrote:
> I hereby propose the creation of the Graal Project with Thomas Wuerthinger [1]
> as the Lead and hotspot as the sponsoring Group.
>
> The goal of the Graal project is to design a dynamic compiler in Java that
> produces excellent code quality without compromising compile time and
> memory usage by the JVM. The origin and starting point for this project
> would be the Graal compiler from the Maxine code base. For more detail,
> see the proposal [2] sent out last week.
>
> To ensure the broadest possible collaboration between potential contributors
> the project will maintain one or more code repositories derived from the
> OpenJDK HotSpot repository [3] and a developers' mailing list. The Graal
> code repository and developers' mailing list will be under the GPL license
> (GPL) version 2 with the OpenJDK Assembly Exception.
>
> Thomas will lead the project. He works for Oracle Labs and is the author of
> the Dynamic Code Evolution VM [4] and the Ideal Graph Visualizer [5].
> He also worked on the Crankshaft/V8 optimizing compiler [6] and implemented
> an algorithm for array bounds check elimination [7] for the HotSpot
> Client compiler.
>
> Based on previous significant contributions to the project's initial
> source base, the initial committers will be:
> Gilles Duboscq
> Doug Simon
> Lukas Stadler
> Christian Wimmer
> Andreas Woess
> Thomas Wuerthinger
>
> The initial authors will be:
> Rickard Backman
> Laurent Daynes
> Matthias Grimmer
> Christian Haeubl
> Marcus Lagergren
> Manuel Rigger
>
> Votes are due by Friday February 17th, 2012 at 17:00h UTC.
>
> Only current OpenJDK Members [8] are eligible to vote on this motion.
>
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [9].
>
> Doug Simon
>
> [1] http://ssw.jku.at/General/Staff/TW/
> [2] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2012-January/002395.html
> [3] http://hg.openjdk.java.net/hsx/hotspot-main/
> [4] http://ssw.jku.at/dcevm/
> [5] http://ssw.jku.at/General/Staff/TW/igv.html
> [6] http://blog.chromium.org/2010/12/new-crankshaft-for-v8.html
> [7] http://ssw.jku.at/Research/Papers/Wuerthinger07/
> [8] http://openjdk.java.net/census/#members
> [9] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote


From laurent.daynes at oracle.com  Tue Feb  7 09:10:01 2012
From: laurent.daynes at oracle.com (Laurent Daynes)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:10:01 +0100
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
Message-ID: <4F30EA69.8070908@oracle.com>

Vote: yes
-- 
    Laurent Dayn?s
Oracle Labs


From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com  Wed Feb  8 11:21:07 2012
From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:21:07 +0000
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
In-Reply-To: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
References: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <4F325AA3.3060707@oracle.com>

Vote: yes


From aph at redhat.com  Wed Feb  8 12:06:11 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:06:11 +0000
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
In-Reply-To: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
References: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <4F326533.6060808@redhat.com>

Vote: yes


From ChrisPhi at LGonQn.Org  Wed Feb  8 20:18:20 2012
From: ChrisPhi at LGonQn.Org (Chris Phillips)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:18:20 -0500
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
Message-ID: <4F32D88C.1000801@LGonQn.Org>

Vote: yes



From john.r.rose at oracle.com  Wed Feb  8 20:34:15 2012
From: john.r.rose at oracle.com (John Rose)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:34:15 -0800
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
In-Reply-To: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
References: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <C6B50D6D-4085-40CA-9DF2-936E8305255F@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

...enthusiastically!

On Feb 3, 2012, at 6:10 AM, Douglas Simon wrote:

> I hereby propose the creation of the Graal Project with Thomas Wuerthinger [1]
> as the Lead and hotspot as the sponsoring Group.



From dbhole at redhat.com  Thu Feb  9 21:59:28 2012
From: dbhole at redhat.com (Deepak Bhole)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:59:28 -0500
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
In-Reply-To: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
References: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <20120209215928.GG9385@redhat.com>

Vote: yes

* Douglas Simon <doug.simon at oracle.com> [2012-02-03 09:55]:
> I hereby propose the creation of the Graal Project with Thomas Wuerthinger [1]
> as the Lead and hotspot as the sponsoring Group.
> 
> The goal of the Graal project is to design a dynamic compiler in Java that
> produces excellent code quality without compromising compile time and
> memory usage by the JVM. The origin and starting point for this project
> would be the Graal compiler from the Maxine code base. For more detail,
> see the proposal [2] sent out last week.
> 
> To ensure the broadest possible collaboration between potential contributors
> the project will maintain one or more code repositories derived from the
> OpenJDK HotSpot repository [3] and a developers' mailing list. The Graal
> code repository and developers' mailing list will be under the GPL license
> (GPL) version 2 with the OpenJDK Assembly Exception.
> 
> Thomas will lead the project. He works for Oracle Labs and is the author of
> the Dynamic Code Evolution VM [4] and the Ideal Graph Visualizer [5].
> He also worked on the Crankshaft/V8 optimizing compiler [6] and implemented
> an algorithm for array bounds check elimination [7] for the HotSpot
> Client compiler.
> 
> Based on previous significant contributions to the project's initial
> source base, the initial committers will be:
> Gilles Duboscq
> Doug Simon
> Lukas Stadler
> Christian Wimmer
> Andreas Woess
> Thomas Wuerthinger
> 
> The initial authors will be:
> Rickard Backman
> Laurent Daynes
> Matthias Grimmer
> Christian Haeubl
> Marcus Lagergren
> Manuel Rigger
> 
> Votes are due by Friday February 17th, 2012 at 17:00h UTC.
> 
> Only current OpenJDK Members [8] are eligible to vote on this motion.
> 
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [9].
> 
> Doug Simon
> 
> [1] http://ssw.jku.at/General/Staff/TW/
> [2] http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2012-January/002395.html
> [3] http://hg.openjdk.java.net/hsx/hotspot-main/
> [4] http://ssw.jku.at/dcevm/
> [5] http://ssw.jku.at/General/Staff/TW/igv.html
> [6] http://blog.chromium.org/2010/12/new-crankshaft-for-v8.html
> [7] http://ssw.jku.at/Research/Papers/Wuerthinger07/
> [8] http://openjdk.java.net/census/#members
> [9] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 18:27:41 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:27:41 +0700
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>

hi there..

if i use openjdk, and modify several code or API, and make it not
standard, and i am using for our own, and share across internet..

will oracle sue me because this is not "openjdk" that release

we know. that google, facebook, yahoo, twitter also using java, and
for a big company , that is "safer" they have their own skill , esp
java is their platform.

we call it hacked openJDK.

and in several case, they have team that manage the jdk, and several
can contribute, but several afraid, about "the sue".

because this model will strengthen the OpenJDK, but how about the JDK
for business?

that is my idea.. any comment?

F


From denisl at openscg.com  Fri Feb 10 18:36:55 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:36:55 -0800
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Frans,

I'm NOT a lawyer and I don't work or speak for Oracle.

I am an OpenJDK Packager, www.openscg.org, and therefore have some
experience on this issue.

I believe the spirit of the legaleeze on this is not necessarily evil.  :-)
If what you build & distribute is different than OpenJDK, then don't call
it "Java" and don't call it "OpenJDK".

--Luss

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> hi there..
>
> if i use openjdk, and modify several code or API, and make it not
> standard, and i am using for our own, and share across internet..
>
> will oracle sue me because this is not "openjdk" that release
>
> we know. that google, facebook, yahoo, twitter also using java, and
> for a big company , that is "safer" they have their own skill , esp
> java is their platform.
>
> we call it hacked openJDK.
>
> and in several case, they have team that manage the jdk, and several
> can contribute, but several afraid, about "the sue".
>
> because this model will strengthen the OpenJDK, but how about the JDK
> for business?
>
> that is my idea.. any comment?
>
> F
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 18:40:13 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:40:13 +0700
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>

hi

what is your positioning regarding your openjdk installer?

http://www.openscg.org/se/openjdk/index.jsp

do u modify it , or as is?

F


On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
> Hi Frans,
>
> I'm NOT a lawyer and I don't work or speak for Oracle.
>
> I am an OpenJDK Packager, www.openscg.org, and therefore have some
> experience on this issue.
>
> I believe the spirit of the legaleeze on this is not necessarily evil. ?:-)
> If what you build & distribute is different than OpenJDK, then don't call it
> "Java" and don't call it "OpenJDK".
>
> --Luss
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>
>> hi there..
>>
>> if i use openjdk, and modify several code or API, and make it not
>> standard, and i am using for our own, and share across internet..
>>
>> will oracle sue me because this is not "openjdk" that release
>>
>> we know. that google, facebook, yahoo, twitter also using java, and
>> for a big company , that is "safer" they have their own skill , esp
>> java is their platform.
>>
>> we call it hacked openJDK.
>>
>> and in several case, they have team that manage the jdk, and several
>> can contribute, but several afraid, about "the sue".
>>
>> because this model will strengthen the OpenJDK, but how about the JDK
>> for business?
>>
>> that is my idea.. any comment?
>>
>> F
>
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 18:53:14 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:53:14 +0700
Subject: Java End of Life Time
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>

hi all

a small question..

we know the Java 6 will end , a life time support will be come..

but if, the community product.. we also the community people, can work
together to continue the life time . rather pay to oracle, no all of
us love this model.

https://java.sys-con.com/node/2154299

any idea to keep make J6 supported? if oracle ask us for pay for the life time


F


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 18:58:45 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:58:45 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
Message-ID: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>

hi all

i got this

http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html

for me this is "strange" open source project

why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?

my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
build/binary?


F


From denisl at openscg.com  Fri Feb 10 19:23:52 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:23:52 -0800
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVW_pF0PTXs50VMt2S0KxgKfZrdHf+PiL-V6Gkxk9rwdrg@mail.gmail.com>

OpenSCG's OpenJDK is "as is".   We compile the binaries according to the
instructions that come with the source.  Then we build platform specific
one-click installers around those binaries and offer them for free
download.   We don't run the TCK tests and therfore our binaries are not
"certified".

Good folks from Sun and Oracle have never been anything but inquisitive &
supportive of our efforts.

--Luss

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> hi
>
> what is your positioning regarding your openjdk installer?
>
> http://www.openscg.org/se/openjdk/index.jsp
>
> do u modify it , or as is?
>
> F
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Frans,
> >
> > I'm NOT a lawyer and I don't work or speak for Oracle.
> >
> > I am an OpenJDK Packager, www.openscg.org, and therefore have some
> > experience on this issue.
> >
> > I believe the spirit of the legaleeze on this is not necessarily evil.
>  :-)
> > If what you build & distribute is different than OpenJDK, then don't
> call it
> > "Java" and don't call it "OpenJDK".
> >
> > --Luss
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> hi there..
> >>
> >> if i use openjdk, and modify several code or API, and make it not
> >> standard, and i am using for our own, and share across internet..
> >>
> >> will oracle sue me because this is not "openjdk" that release
> >>
> >> we know. that google, facebook, yahoo, twitter also using java, and
> >> for a big company , that is "safer" they have their own skill , esp
> >> java is their platform.
> >>
> >> we call it hacked openJDK.
> >>
> >> and in several case, they have team that manage the jdk, and several
> >> can contribute, but several afraid, about "the sue".
> >>
> >> because this model will strengthen the OpenJDK, but how about the JDK
> >> for business?
> >>
> >> that is my idea.. any comment?
> >>
> >> F
> >
> >
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 19:26:58 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:26:58 +0700
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVW_pF0PTXs50VMt2S0KxgKfZrdHf+PiL-V6Gkxk9rwdrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW_pF0PTXs50VMt2S0KxgKfZrdHf+PiL-V6Gkxk9rwdrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQypkEzUEue5kEU5buK9=A4gwMzsATRM-C74bgn5Pk_Cyhw@mail.gmail.com>

that is the idea :0

why openjdk is not create binary, and must under openscg

and why dont bring openscg as commiter in openjdk for binary distribution

F


On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
> OpenSCG's OpenJDK is "as is". ??We compile the binaries according to the
> instructions that come with the source. ?Then we build platform specific
> one-click installers around those binaries and offer them for free download.
> ? We don't run the TCK tests and therfore our binaries are not "certified".
>
> Good folks from Sun and Oracle have never been anything but inquisitive &
> supportive of our efforts.
>
> --Luss
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>
>> hi
>>
>> what is your positioning regarding your openjdk installer?
>>
>> http://www.openscg.org/se/openjdk/index.jsp
>>
>> do u modify it , or as is?
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Frans,
>> >
>> > I'm NOT a lawyer and I don't work or speak for Oracle.
>> >
>> > I am an OpenJDK Packager, www.openscg.org, and therefore have some
>> > experience on this issue.
>> >
>> > I believe the spirit of the legaleeze on this is not necessarily evil.
>> > ?:-)
>> > If what you build & distribute is different than OpenJDK, then don't
>> > call it
>> > "Java" and don't call it "OpenJDK".
>> >
>> > --Luss
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> hi there..
>> >>
>> >> if i use openjdk, and modify several code or API, and make it not
>> >> standard, and i am using for our own, and share across internet..
>> >>
>> >> will oracle sue me because this is not "openjdk" that release
>> >>
>> >> we know. that google, facebook, yahoo, twitter also using java, and
>> >> for a big company , that is "safer" they have their own skill , esp
>> >> java is their platform.
>> >>
>> >> we call it hacked openJDK.
>> >>
>> >> and in several case, they have team that manage the jdk, and several
>> >> can contribute, but several afraid, about "the sue".
>> >>
>> >> because this model will strengthen the OpenJDK, but how about the JDK
>> >> for business?
>> >>
>> >> that is my idea.. any comment?
>> >>
>> >> F
>> >
>> >
>
>


From denisl at openscg.com  Fri Feb 10 19:27:44 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:27:44 -0800
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>

I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee.  Here's my 2 cents below

Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
consumption.   They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all
major platforms as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions
of their various license agreements.

--Luss

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> hi all
>
> i got this
>
> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
>
> for me this is "strange" open source project
>
> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
>
> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
> build/binary?
>
>
> F
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 19:30:08 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:30:08 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>

so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
must do extra effort for this

anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk binary?

F



On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee. ?Here's my 2 cents below
>
> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user consumption.
> ? They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major platforms
> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their various
> license agreements.
>
> --Luss
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>
>> hi all
>>
>> i got this
>>
>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
>>
>> for me this is "strange" open source project
>>
>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
>>
>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
>> build/binary?
>>
>>
>> F
>
>


From denisl at openscg.com  Fri Feb 10 19:29:58 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:29:58 -0800
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQypkEzUEue5kEU5buK9=A4gwMzsATRM-C74bgn5Pk_Cyhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW_pF0PTXs50VMt2S0KxgKfZrdHf+PiL-V6Gkxk9rwdrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypkEzUEue5kEU5buK9=A4gwMzsATRM-C74bgn5Pk_Cyhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVW1d770Fizie_ZAeaQmWqcmUxR6E2AmZ7Yh4b4QGsbN7w@mail.gmail.com>

I would welcome that if Oracle were willing to at least link to my page,
but...  that is ultimately there decision and a public discussion forum is
perhaps not the best place to carry out this kind of discussion.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> that is the idea :0
>
> why openjdk is not create binary, and must under openscg
>
> and why dont bring openscg as commiter in openjdk for binary distribution
>
> F
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
> wrote:
> > OpenSCG's OpenJDK is "as is".   We compile the binaries according to the
> > instructions that come with the source.  Then we build platform specific
> > one-click installers around those binaries and offer them for free
> download.
> >   We don't run the TCK tests and therfore our binaries are not
> "certified".
> >
> > Good folks from Sun and Oracle have never been anything but inquisitive &
> > supportive of our efforts.
> >
> > --Luss
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> hi
> >>
> >> what is your positioning regarding your openjdk installer?
> >>
> >> http://www.openscg.org/se/openjdk/index.jsp
> >>
> >> do u modify it , or as is?
> >>
> >> F
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi Frans,
> >> >
> >> > I'm NOT a lawyer and I don't work or speak for Oracle.
> >> >
> >> > I am an OpenJDK Packager, www.openscg.org, and therefore have some
> >> > experience on this issue.
> >> >
> >> > I believe the spirit of the legaleeze on this is not necessarily evil.
> >> >  :-)
> >> > If what you build & distribute is different than OpenJDK, then don't
> >> > call it
> >> > "Java" and don't call it "OpenJDK".
> >> >
> >> > --Luss
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> hi there..
> >> >>
> >> >> if i use openjdk, and modify several code or API, and make it not
> >> >> standard, and i am using for our own, and share across internet..
> >> >>
> >> >> will oracle sue me because this is not "openjdk" that release
> >> >>
> >> >> we know. that google, facebook, yahoo, twitter also using java, and
> >> >> for a big company , that is "safer" they have their own skill , esp
> >> >> java is their platform.
> >> >>
> >> >> we call it hacked openJDK.
> >> >>
> >> >> and in several case, they have team that manage the jdk, and several
> >> >> can contribute, but several afraid, about "the sue".
> >> >>
> >> >> because this model will strengthen the OpenJDK, but how about the JDK
> >> >> for business?
> >> >>
> >> >> that is my idea.. any comment?
> >> >>
> >> >> F
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 19:31:23 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:31:23 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>

sorry

can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
to start. and will oracle sue you :)

F


On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
> must do extra effort for this
>
> anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk binary?
>
> F
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
>> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee. ?Here's my 2 cents below
>>
>> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user consumption.
>> ? They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major platforms
>> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their various
>> license agreements.
>>
>> --Luss
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi all
>>>
>>> i got this
>>>
>>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
>>>
>>> for me this is "strange" open source project
>>>
>>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
>>>
>>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
>>> build/binary?
>>>
>>>
>>> F
>>
>>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 19:33:12 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:33:12 +0700
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVW1d770Fizie_ZAeaQmWqcmUxR6E2AmZ7Yh4b4QGsbN7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW_pF0PTXs50VMt2S0KxgKfZrdHf+PiL-V6Gkxk9rwdrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypkEzUEue5kEU5buK9=A4gwMzsATRM-C74bgn5Pk_Cyhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW1d770Fizie_ZAeaQmWqcmUxR6E2AmZ7Yh4b4QGsbN7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyo=S18odJvLW=O-shwjT9Zde34xx27m_dGNWzCB5TPP+w@mail.gmail.com>

if this is openjdk a Community work , must :0

if they dont wanna to create binary.. the effort must be linked as
"respect" for community

i think people must start blog about this...

F



On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:29 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
> I would welcome that if Oracle were willing to at least link to my page,
> but... ?that is ultimately there decision and a public discussion forum is
> perhaps not the best place to carry out this kind of discussion.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>
>> that is the idea :0
>>
>> why openjdk is not create binary, and must under openscg
>>
>> and why dont bring openscg as commiter in openjdk for binary distribution
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>> wrote:
>> > OpenSCG's OpenJDK is "as is". ??We compile the binaries according to the
>> > instructions that come with the source. ?Then we build platform specific
>> > one-click installers around those binaries and offer them for free
>> > download.
>> > ? We don't run the TCK tests and therfore our binaries are not
>> > "certified".
>> >
>> > Good folks from Sun and Oracle have never been anything but inquisitive
>> > &
>> > supportive of our efforts.
>> >
>> > --Luss
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> hi
>> >>
>> >> what is your positioning regarding your openjdk installer?
>> >>
>> >> http://www.openscg.org/se/openjdk/index.jsp
>> >>
>> >> do u modify it , or as is?
>> >>
>> >> F
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi Frans,
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm NOT a lawyer and I don't work or speak for Oracle.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am an OpenJDK Packager, www.openscg.org, and therefore have some
>> >> > experience on this issue.
>> >> >
>> >> > I believe the spirit of the legaleeze on this is not necessarily
>> >> > evil.
>> >> > ?:-)
>> >> > If what you build & distribute is different than OpenJDK, then don't
>> >> > call it
>> >> > "Java" and don't call it "OpenJDK".
>> >> >
>> >> > --Luss
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> hi there..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> if i use openjdk, and modify several code or API, and make it not
>> >> >> standard, and i am using for our own, and share across internet..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> will oracle sue me because this is not "openjdk" that release
>> >> >>
>> >> >> we know. that google, facebook, yahoo, twitter also using java, and
>> >> >> for a big company , that is "safer" they have their own skill , esp
>> >> >> java is their platform.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> we call it hacked openJDK.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> and in several case, they have team that manage the jdk, and several
>> >> >> can contribute, but several afraid, about "the sue".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> because this model will strengthen the OpenJDK, but how about the
>> >> >> JDK
>> >> >> for business?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> that is my idea.. any comment?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> F
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>
>


From fcassia at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 19:38:41 2012
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:38:41 -0300
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyo=S18odJvLW=O-shwjT9Zde34xx27m_dGNWzCB5TPP+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW_pF0PTXs50VMt2S0KxgKfZrdHf+PiL-V6Gkxk9rwdrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypkEzUEue5kEU5buK9=A4gwMzsATRM-C74bgn5Pk_Cyhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW1d770Fizie_ZAeaQmWqcmUxR6E2AmZ7Yh4b4QGsbN7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyo=S18odJvLW=O-shwjT9Zde34xx27m_dGNWzCB5TPP+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACGw4H5TjMmEiK9pTQXdiaV46-GgsPP9Ki+Gz4WkxGCAtx5-Tg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 16:33, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> i think people must start blog about this...

You sound like a troublemaker, but perhaps I?m wrong.

FC


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 19:39:39 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:39:39 +0700
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CACGw4H5TjMmEiK9pTQXdiaV46-GgsPP9Ki+Gz4WkxGCAtx5-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW_pF0PTXs50VMt2S0KxgKfZrdHf+PiL-V6Gkxk9rwdrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypkEzUEue5kEU5buK9=A4gwMzsATRM-C74bgn5Pk_Cyhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW1d770Fizie_ZAeaQmWqcmUxR6E2AmZ7Yh4b4QGsbN7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyo=S18odJvLW=O-shwjT9Zde34xx27m_dGNWzCB5TPP+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACGw4H5TjMmEiK9pTQXdiaV46-GgsPP9Ki+Gz4WkxGCAtx5-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyrh65PY6UUqrWyGta+S-+Jm+RuPJa+hudpgMugQWtDZCQ@mail.gmail.com>

no lar ;)

just to make sure the ecosystem of development in the right checklist

F


On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 16:33, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>> i think people must start blog about this...
>
> You sound like a troublemaker, but perhaps I?m wrong.
>
> FC


From jonnyt at abpni.co.uk  Fri Feb 10 19:46:15 2012
From: jonnyt at abpni.co.uk (Jonathan Tripathy)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:46:15 +0000
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyrh65PY6UUqrWyGta+S-+Jm+RuPJa+hudpgMugQWtDZCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVU6xaQA9jTfpL1Ni6QCvKKPKQtCrPW0iT3XRKLkrmUELg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrbN-piFWgFgjv1fd6xVEjpvB8Pq-jUVdn5dpqUy=C6Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW_pF0PTXs50VMt2S0KxgKfZrdHf+PiL-V6Gkxk9rwdrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypkEzUEue5kEU5buK9=A4gwMzsATRM-C74bgn5Pk_Cyhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVW1d770Fizie_ZAeaQmWqcmUxR6E2AmZ7Yh4b4QGsbN7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyo=S18odJvLW=O-shwjT9Zde34xx27m_dGNWzCB5TPP+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACGw4H5TjMmEiK9pTQXdiaV46-GgsPP9Ki+Gz4WkxGCAtx5-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrh65PY6UUqrWyGta+S-+Jm+RuPJa+hudpgMugQWtDZCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F357407.4090601@abpni.co.uk>


On 10/02/2012 19:39, Frans Thamura wrote:
> no lar ;)
>
> just to make sure the ecosystem of development in the right checklist
>
> F
>
OpenJDK is released under the GNU GPL Version 2. This license allows you 
to do whatever you want with the code (As long as you abide by the 
restrictions of the GPL). There is nothing funny going on here. If you 
feel something is lacking, fix it :)

There are some legal issues with the branding/trademarks of 
"Java"/"OpenJDK", but again, if you want to change OpenJDK, it's not 
really OpenJDK anymore, so don't call it that. But again, nothing is 
stopping you playing with/distributing the code.

I'm not a lawyer.


From denisl at openscg.com  Fri Feb 10 19:45:51 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:45:51 -0800
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>

I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community member
acting in the open and in good faith.

There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is relatively
trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to build
OpenJDK on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions
carefully and did a little web searching when I ran into issues.

Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
version of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build
the binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
achieve maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.

--Luss

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> sorry
>
> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>
> F
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
> > must do extra effort for this
> >
> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
> binary?
> >
> > F
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
> wrote:
> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee.  Here's my 2 cents below
> >>
> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
> consumption.
> >>   They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
> platforms
> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
> various
> >> license agreements.
> >>
> >> --Luss
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hi all
> >>>
> >>> i got this
> >>>
> >>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
> >>>
> >>> for me this is "strange" open source project
> >>>
> >>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
> >>>
> >>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
> >>> build/binary?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> F
> >>
> >>
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 19:52:26 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:52:26 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQypv5yyr--TQ03yfoco4oS5h2Kfi0ODeif6kgJpLYPemHw@mail.gmail.com>

i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside openjdk :)

let start promote openscg.

i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)

so people can start using openjdk for their work..

but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in openjdk

NB: waiting oracle reply ;)

F



On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me. ?I am a community member
> acting in the open and in good faith.
>
> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does. ? It is relatively
> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux. ? ?It's a bit tricky to build OpenJDK
> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully and
> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>
> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze version
> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8). ? For OpenJDK 6, I build the
> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to achieve
> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>
> --Luss
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>
>> sorry
>>
>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
>> > must do extra effort for this
>> >
>> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
>> > binary?
>> >
>> > F
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee. ?Here's my 2 cents below
>> >>
>> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
>> >> consumption.
>> >> ? They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
>> >> platforms
>> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
>> >> various
>> >> license agreements.
>> >>
>> >> --Luss
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> hi all
>> >>>
>> >>> i got this
>> >>>
>> >>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
>> >>>
>> >>> for me this is "strange" open source project
>> >>>
>> >>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
>> >>>
>> >>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
>> >>> build/binary?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> F
>> >>
>> >>
>
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 19:53:49 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:53:49 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyrKLqWUtE8_zb7Htg=C-LYbCdkh+uG2Dpey4f2Zh3K16w@mail.gmail.com>

i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside openjdk :)

let start promote openscg.

i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)

so people can start using openjdk for their work..

but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in openjdk

NB: waiting oracle



On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me. ?I am a community member
> acting in the open and in good faith.
>
> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does. ? It is relatively
> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux. ? ?It's a bit tricky to build OpenJDK
> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully and
> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>
> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze version
> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8). ? For OpenJDK 6, I build the
> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to achieve
> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>
> --Luss
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>
>> sorry
>>
>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
>> > must do extra effort for this
>> >
>> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
>> > binary?
>> >
>> > F
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee. ?Here's my 2 cents below
>> >>
>> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
>> >> consumption.
>> >> ? They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
>> >> platforms
>> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
>> >> various
>> >> license agreements.
>> >>
>> >> --Luss
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> hi all
>> >>>
>> >>> i got this
>> >>>
>> >>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
>> >>>
>> >>> for me this is "strange" open source project
>> >>>
>> >>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
>> >>>
>> >>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
>> >>> build/binary?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> F
>> >>
>> >>
>
>


From denisl at openscg.com  Fri Feb 10 20:18:04 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:18:04 -0800
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyrKLqWUtE8_zb7Htg=C-LYbCdkh+uG2Dpey4f2Zh3K16w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrKLqWUtE8_zb7Htg=C-LYbCdkh+uG2Dpey4f2Zh3K16w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVWrh3W05jR8WK-Qc6kX7SpcNT_mG8BUYBEDdFaxW3g9DQ@mail.gmail.com>

It is completely understandable (and very reasonable) that Oracle doesn't
presently elect to package commercial quality binaries of their General
Availability version of the GPL v2 OpenJDK.

IMHO this doesn't make them evil, it makes them smart.   They are
commercial organization first and a great champion (ans massive
contributor) of the open source java movement second.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside openjdk
> :)
>
> let start promote openscg.
>
> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
>
> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
>
> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in openjdk
>
> NB: waiting oracle
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
> wrote:
> > I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community member
> > acting in the open and in good faith.
> >
> > There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is relatively
> > trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to build
> OpenJDK
> > on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully and
> > did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
> >
> > Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
> version
> > of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build the
> > binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to achieve
> > maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
> >
> > --Luss
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> sorry
> >>
> >> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
> >> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
> >> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
> >>
> >> F
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
> >> > must do extra effort for this
> >> >
> >> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
> >> > binary?
> >> >
> >> > F
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee.  Here's my 2 cents below
> >> >>
> >> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
> >> >> consumption.
> >> >>   They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
> >> >> platforms
> >> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
> >> >> various
> >> >> license agreements.
> >> >>
> >> >> --Luss
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> hi all
> >> >>>
> >> >>> i got this
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
> >> >>>
> >> >>> for me this is "strange" open source project
> >> >>>
> >> >>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is
> no
> >> >>> build/binary?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> F
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >
> >
>


From martijnverburg at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 20:59:10 2012
From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:59:10 +0000
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7YuAT2YeVYVVUKmzAjMLsT8bfuaciP28=x=SH3xgP3-OZVsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Frans/All,

We discussed this at FOSDEM and I think a rough plan is that the community
(including oracle and linux distros etc) will try to work towards providing
regular openJDK binaries on a wide variety of platforms.

There still needs to be a lot of discussion, planning (around
infrastructure and other things as well) but there you go.

Cheers,
Martijn

On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> sorry
>
> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>
> F
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>> so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
>> must do extra effort for this
>>
>> anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
binary?
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
wrote:
>>> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee.  Here's my 2 cents below
>>>
>>> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
consumption.
>>>   They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
platforms
>>> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
various
>>> license agreements.
>>>
>>> --Luss
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi all
>>>>
>>>> i got this
>>>>
>>>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
>>>>
>>>> for me this is "strange" open source project
>>>>
>>>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
>>>>
>>>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
>>>> build/binary?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> F
>>>
>>>
>


From henri.gomez at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 21:01:01 2012
From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:01:01 +0100
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyrKLqWUtE8_zb7Htg=C-LYbCdkh+uG2Dpey4f2Zh3K16w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrKLqWUtE8_zb7Htg=C-LYbCdkh+uG2Dpey4f2Zh3K16w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALyUpY2jMFjTF3i=18oGxEUPbu615aiAoQCpPzh70FMKitWfug@mail.gmail.com>

I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :

http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/

You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
for OSX with MLVM)

Cheers

2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside openjdk :)
>
> let start promote openscg.
>
> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
>
> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
>
> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in openjdk
>
> NB: waiting oracle
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me. ?I am a community member
>> acting in the open and in good faith.
>>
>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does. ? It is relatively
>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux. ? ?It's a bit tricky to build OpenJDK
>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully and
>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>>
>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze version
>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8). ? For OpenJDK 6, I build the
>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to achieve
>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>>
>> --Luss
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> sorry
>>>
>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>>>
>>> F
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
>>> > must do extra effort for this
>>> >
>>> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
>>> > binary?
>>> >
>>> > F
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee. ?Here's my 2 cents below
>>> >>
>>> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
>>> >> consumption.
>>> >> ? They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
>>> >> platforms
>>> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
>>> >> various
>>> >> license agreements.
>>> >>
>>> >> --Luss
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> hi all
>>> >>>
>>> >>> i got this
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> for me this is "strange" open source project
>>> >>>
>>> >>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
>>> >>> build/binary?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> F
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>
>>


From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 10 21:03:26 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:03:26 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CALyUpY2jMFjTF3i=18oGxEUPbu615aiAoQCpPzh70FMKitWfug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrKLqWUtE8_zb7Htg=C-LYbCdkh+uG2Dpey4f2Zh3K16w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALyUpY2jMFjTF3i=18oGxEUPbu615aiAoQCpPzh70FMKitWfug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyqoFNdBoPsBqEE+RQLFE5i4AnBgaG+K85QPe1MJJrFT6w@mail.gmail.com>

mmm :) raise up :

henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
denis with openscg..

i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
will be forgotten :)

but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is shortly

1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk 6 patch..

where is the community work, esp the umbrella?


martjin,
when will we get the binary?

F



On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com> wrote:
> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
>
> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
>
> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
> for OSX with MLVM)
>
> Cheers
>
> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside openjdk :)
>>
>> let start promote openscg.
>>
>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
>>
>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
>>
>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in openjdk
>>
>> NB: waiting oracle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me. ?I am a community member
>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
>>>
>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does. ? It is relatively
>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux. ? ?It's a bit tricky to build OpenJDK
>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully and
>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>>>
>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze version
>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8). ? For OpenJDK 6, I build the
>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to achieve
>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>>>
>>> --Luss
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> sorry
>>>>
>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>>>>
>>>> F
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>>> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0 and
>>>> > must do extra effort for this
>>>> >
>>>> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
>>>> > binary?
>>>> >
>>>> > F
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee. ?Here's my 2 cents below
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
>>>> >> consumption.
>>>> >> ? They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
>>>> >> platforms
>>>> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
>>>> >> various
>>>> >> license agreements.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --Luss
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> hi all
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> i got this
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> for me this is "strange" open source project
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> why we dont have a distribution for windows, mac... for openjdk?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> my feedback.. we should have those in main page.. but why there is no
>>>> >>> build/binary?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> F
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>
>>>


From martijnverburg at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 21:27:30 2012
From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:27:30 +0000
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyqoFNdBoPsBqEE+RQLFE5i4AnBgaG+K85QPe1MJJrFT6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrKLqWUtE8_zb7Htg=C-LYbCdkh+uG2Dpey4f2Zh3K16w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALyUpY2jMFjTF3i=18oGxEUPbu615aiAoQCpPzh70FMKitWfug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqoFNdBoPsBqEE+RQLFE5i4AnBgaG+K85QPe1MJJrFT6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7YuATQWMCABAxmd73C-STZ7bwyD1tSOfEkvPWadPnTx9z_Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Frans,

We only just started discussing all of this at FOSDEM.  Some patience
please :).

We will begin by clearly linking in the various community efforts from the
OpenJDK site and wiki.

Cheers,
Martijn

On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> mmm :) raise up :
>
> henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
> denis with openscg..
>
> i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
> will be forgotten :)
>
> but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is shortly
>
> 1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
> 2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk 6
patch..
>
> where is the community work, esp the umbrella?
>
>
> martjin,
> when will we get the binary?
>
> F
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
>>
>> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
>> for OSX with MLVM)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
>>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside
openjdk :)
>>>
>>> let start promote openscg.
>>>
>>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
>>>
>>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
>>>
>>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in openjdk
>>>
>>> NB: waiting oracle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
wrote:
>>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community member
>>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
>>>>
>>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is relatively
>>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to build
OpenJDK
>>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully
and
>>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>>>>
>>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
version
>>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build the
>>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
achieve
>>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>>>>
>>>> --Luss
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> sorry
>>>>>
>>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
>>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
>>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>>>>>
>>>>> F
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
wrote:
>>>>> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0
and
>>>>> > must do extra effort for this
>>>>> >
>>>>> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
>>>>> > binary?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > F
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee.  Here's my 2 cents below
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
>>>>> >> consumption.
>>>>> >>   They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
>>>>> >> platforms
>>>>> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
>>>>> >> various
>>>>> >> license agreements.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --Luss
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org
>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> hi all
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> i got this
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>


From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Fri Feb 10 23:51:45 2012
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:51:45 +0100
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
In-Reply-To: <4F2C2D47.4090308@oracle.com>
References: <B5E6E2D4-058A-4BDB-8278-FA21BF1DB3E6@oracle.com>
	<4F2C2D47.4090308@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <4F35AD91.9030409@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

cheers,
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From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Fri Feb 10 23:52:30 2012
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:52:30 +0100
Subject: CFV: New Project: Penrose
In-Reply-To: <4F291300.9060700@redhat.com>
References: <4F280B6F.8050008@gmail.com> <4F291300.9060700@redhat.com>
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Vote: yes

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From johnyeary at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 01:36:04 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:36:04 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAP7YuATQWMCABAxmd73C-STZ7bwyD1tSOfEkvPWadPnTx9z_Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypTX7S1EByRH82044ss=iRNEDdUMZqUsfGd4jwgaF=HMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUbOKMYnK1cxSA93hpfjwhmay3ccP15aSEo+n1u-B8pSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrAKw5qkCJ2-VZgik8h70rNcqyuEWRRi3ViCG6eqaLNzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqs_80ktmnMvig4cM05uif2yOb0S-0EdLCt1A83jFy5Hw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUemXRuz=EvfWx=CSd57wXNOAtD7feVb86JTZa_tuCz_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyrKLqWUtE8_zb7Htg=C-LYbCdkh+uG2Dpey4f2Zh3K16w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALyUpY2jMFjTF3i=18oGxEUPbu615aiAoQCpPzh70FMKitWfug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqoFNdBoPsBqEE+RQLFE5i4AnBgaG+K85QPe1MJJrFT6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP7YuATQWMCABAxmd73C-STZ7bwyD1tSOfEkvPWadPnTx9z_Qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQtinWtMdMbzdUGnwhJ4guq9kYSOdiYjN-xXia2nWabeHtRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Frans, Martijn, Friends, Colleagues, and OpenJDK developers.

I think that one of the real interesting and positive points is that Denis
and Henri have been producing good binaries and distributing them. I have a
build for OpenJDK on Apple G5 PPC. I was going to publish this as well.

There is a lot of work being done at Java.net to add a CI system to all
projects. When this becomes a reality, I have an expectation that all of
the builds for each platform should be built every on a schedule. I don't
have a timeframe for when this will be put into place, but it is on the
Java.net roadmap. There are a couple of other higher priority items that
need to be completed like SYMPA replacement.

This is only my expectation.

A lot of the things are very fluid right now, and I would like to strike
while the iron is hot.

Ultimately, I would like to make it build on all supported platforms with
the same ease as you can do with Mac OSX port... and simpler. I should just
type build and have it do all of the work required. That should be the
"golden" standard that the project should strive to meet.

I will have some changes to add to the build README based on my JUG meeting
last night and demos.

John

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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Martijn Verburg
<martijnverburg at gmail.com>wrote:

> Frans,
>
> We only just started discussing all of this at FOSDEM.  Some patience
> please :).
>
> We will begin by clearly linking in the various community efforts from the
> OpenJDK site and wiki.
>
> Cheers,
> Martijn
>
> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> > mmm :) raise up :
> >
> > henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
> > denis with openscg..
> >
> > i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
> > will be forgotten :)
> >
> > but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is shortly
> >
> > 1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
> > 2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk 6
> patch..
> >
> > where is the community work, esp the umbrella?
> >
> >
> > martjin,
> > when will we get the binary?
> >
> > F
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
> >>
> >> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
> >>
> >> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
> >> for OSX with MLVM)
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
> >>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside
> openjdk :)
> >>>
> >>> let start promote openscg.
> >>>
> >>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
> >>>
> >>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
> >>>
> >>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in openjdk
> >>>
> >>> NB: waiting oracle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community member
> >>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
> >>>>
> >>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is relatively
> >>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to build
> OpenJDK
> >>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully
> and
> >>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
> version
> >>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build the
> >>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
> achieve
> >>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
> >>>>
> >>>> --Luss
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> sorry
> >>>>>
> >>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary,
> and
> >>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
> >>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> F
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0
> and
> >>>>> > must do extra effort for this
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
> >>>>> > binary?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > F
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <
> denisl at openscg.com>
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee.  Here's my 2 cents below
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
> >>>>> >> consumption.
> >>>>> >>   They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
> >>>>> >> platforms
> >>>>> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of
> their
> >>>>> >> various
> >>>>> >> license agreements.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> --Luss
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <
> frans at meruvian.org
> >
> >>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> hi all
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> i got this
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 02:10:18 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:10:18 -0500
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <4F357407.4090601@abpni.co.uk>
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I agree. Please don't look at the glass and call it half-empty. I don't see
anything fishy here.

Jonathan pointed out that it is GPLv2. If you build OpenJDK according to
the instructions, it is OpenJDK. Follow the rules for GPL v2 and you are OK.

John
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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Jonathan Tripathy <jonnyt at abpni.co.uk>wrote:

>
> On 10/02/2012 19:39, Frans Thamura wrote:
>
>> no lar ;)
>>
>> just to make sure the ecosystem of development in the right checklist
>>
>> F
>>
>>  OpenJDK is released under the GNU GPL Version 2. This license allows you
> to do whatever you want with the code (As long as you abide by the
> restrictions of the GPL). There is nothing funny going on here. If you feel
> something is lacking, fix it :)
>
> There are some legal issues with the branding/trademarks of
> "Java"/"OpenJDK", but again, if you want to change OpenJDK, it's not really
> OpenJDK anymore, so don't call it that. But again, nothing is stopping you
> playing with/distributing the code.
>
> I'm not a lawyer.
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Sat Feb 11 03:30:22 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:30:22 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
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who is we, and where do your position in this openjdk?

you are not oracle :)

F


On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Martijn Verburg
<martijnverburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Frans,
>
> We only just started discussing all of this at FOSDEM. ?Some patience please
> :).
>
> We will begin by clearly linking in the various community efforts from the
> OpenJDK site and wiki.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Martijn
>
> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>> mmm :) raise up :
>>
>> henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
>> denis with openscg..
>>
>> i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
>> will be forgotten :)
>>
>> but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is shortly
>>
>> 1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
>> 2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk 6
>> patch..
>>
>> where is the community work, esp the umbrella?
>>
>>
>> martjin,
>> when will we get the binary?
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
>>>
>>> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
>>> for OSX with MLVM)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
>>>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside
>>>> openjdk :)
>>>>
>>>> let start promote openscg.
>>>>
>>>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
>>>>
>>>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
>>>>
>>>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in openjdk
>>>>
>>>> NB: waiting oracle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me. ?I am a community member
>>>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
>>>>>
>>>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does. ? It is relatively
>>>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux. ? ?It's a bit tricky to build
>>>>> OpenJDK
>>>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully
>>>>> and
>>>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
>>>>> version
>>>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8). ? For OpenJDK 6, I build the
>>>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
>>>>> achieve
>>>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Luss
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary, and
>>>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
>>>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> F
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0
>>>>>> > and
>>>>>> > must do extra effort for this
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the openjdk
>>>>>> > binary?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > F
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee. ?Here's my 2 cents below
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
>>>>>> >> consumption.
>>>>>> >> ? They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all major
>>>>>> >> platforms
>>>>>> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of their
>>>>>> >> various
>>>>>> >> license agreements.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> --Luss
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura
>>>>>> >> <frans at meruvian.org>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> hi all
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> i got this
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>


From frans at meruvian.org  Sat Feb 11 03:33:59 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:33:59 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtinWtMdMbzdUGnwhJ4guq9kYSOdiYjN-xXia2nWabeHtRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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thx john,

yup, you also work on this ;)

i think OpenJDK will become center of new Java, rather the Oracle Java SDK
from OTN as default platform.

I like this, because OpenJDK is OpenSource, good for my program here
(education network). the core can be learn as education also.

the binary is the missing thing, and i believe the communty work also.. and
next phase is how the openjdk will keep continue support people, esp after
oracle said end of life, becuase openjdk doesnt have relation with oracle
in this case..

i think that Oracle want the JSDK more business, $$$... rather the current
SDK that develop by Sun.

and how "we" the JUG leader "talk" and "explain" inside our JUG Program.

F

On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:36 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Frans, Martijn, Friends, Colleagues, and OpenJDK developers.
>
> I think that one of the real interesting and positive points is that Denis
> and Henri have been producing good binaries and distributing them. I have a
> build for OpenJDK on Apple G5 PPC. I was going to publish this as well.
>
> There is a lot of work being done at Java.net to add a CI system to all
> projects. When this becomes a reality, I have an expectation that all of
> the builds for each platform should be built every on a schedule. I don't
> have a timeframe for when this will be put into place, but it is on the
> Java.net roadmap. There are a couple of other higher priority items that
> need to be completed like SYMPA replacement.
>
> This is only my expectation.
>
> A lot of the things are very fluid right now, and I would like to strike
> while the iron is hot.
>
> Ultimately, I would like to make it build on all supported platforms with
> the same ease as you can do with Mac OSX port... and simpler. I should just
> type build and have it do all of the work required. That should be the
> "golden" standard that the project should strive to meet.
>
> I will have some changes to add to the build README based on my JUG
> meeting last night and demos.
>
> John
>
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>
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> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Frans,
>>
>> We only just started discussing all of this at FOSDEM.  Some patience
>> please :).
>>
>> We will begin by clearly linking in the various community efforts from the
>> OpenJDK site and wiki.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martijn
>>
>> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>> > mmm :) raise up :
>> >
>> > henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
>> > denis with openscg..
>> >
>> > i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
>> > will be forgotten :)
>> >
>> > but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is shortly
>> >
>> > 1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
>> > 2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk 6
>> patch..
>> >
>> > where is the community work, esp the umbrella?
>> >
>> >
>> > martjin,
>> > when will we get the binary?
>> >
>> > F
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
>> >>
>> >> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
>> >>
>> >> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
>> >> for OSX with MLVM)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
>> >>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside
>> openjdk :)
>> >>>
>> >>> let start promote openscg.
>> >>>
>> >>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
>> >>>
>> >>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
>> >>>
>> >>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in
>> openjdk
>> >>>
>> >>> NB: waiting oracle
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community
>> member
>> >>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is
>> relatively
>> >>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to build
>> OpenJDK
>> >>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully
>> and
>> >>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
>> version
>> >>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build the
>> >>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
>> achieve
>> >>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --Luss
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> sorry
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary,
>> and
>> >>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk
>> people
>> >>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> F
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> > so what is the "politic" behind openjdk :0 if we cannot use it ;0
>> and
>> >>>>> > must do extra effort for this
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > anyway, can you share your how to to the world , to use the
>> openjdk
>> >>>>> > binary?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > F
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Lussier, Denis <
>> denisl at openscg.com>
>> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>> >> I am NOT a lawyer or an Oracle Employee.  Here's my 2 cents below
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Oracle is NOT in the business of packaging OpenJDK for end user
>> >>>>> >> consumption.
>> >>>>> >>   They make their proprietary JDK's freely avaialble for all
>> major
>> >>>>> >> platforms
>> >>>>> >> as long as you can live with their reasonable restrictions of
>> their
>> >>>>> >> various
>> >>>>> >> license agreements.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> --Luss
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Frans Thamura <
>> frans at meruvian.org
>> >
>> >>>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> hi all
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> i got this
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>>
>>
>
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 14:11:39 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:11:39 -0500
Subject: Java End of Life Time
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>

Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is focused
on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone (company) other than
Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things. However, I
think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay current.

John
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On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> hi all
>
> a small question..
>
> we know the Java 6 will end , a life time support will be come..
>
> but if, the community product.. we also the community people, can work
> together to continue the life time . rather pay to oracle, no all of
> us love this model.
>
> https://java.sys-con.com/node/2154299
>
> any idea to keep make J6 supported? if oracle ask us for pay for the life
> time
>
>
> F
>


From martijnverburg at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 21:02:20 2012
From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:02:20 +0000
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
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We == a bunch of OpenJDK hackers that were at FOSDEM, including some Oracle
folks, linux distro folks (eg red hat, debian) and lots of independant
hackers. I didn't exactly take a roll call.

My position?  Grand lord admiral, hmm no wait the bylaws probably don't
allow that :-).

I'm just an enthusiastic amateur hacker who wants to see more Java
developers get involved in the OpenJDK <shrug>.

M

On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> who is we, and where do your position in this openjdk?
>
> you are not oracle :)
>
> F
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Martijn Verburg
> <martijnverburg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Frans,
>>
>> We only just started discussing all of this at FOSDEM.  Some patience
please
>> :).
>>
>> We will begin by clearly linking in the various community efforts from
the
>> OpenJDK site and wiki.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martijn
>>
>> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>> mmm :) raise up :
>>>
>>> henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
>>> denis with openscg..
>>>
>>> i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
>>> will be forgotten :)
>>>
>>> but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is shortly
>>>
>>> 1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
>>> 2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk 6
>>> patch..
>>>
>>> where is the community work, esp the umbrella?
>>>
>>>
>>> martjin,
>>> when will we get the binary?
>>>
>>> F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
>>>>
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
>>>>
>>>> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
>>>> for OSX with MLVM)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
>>>>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside
>>>>> openjdk :)
>>>>>
>>>>> let start promote openscg.
>>>>>
>>>>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
>>>>>
>>>>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
>>>>>
>>>>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in
openjdk
>>>>>
>>>>> NB: waiting oracle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community
member
>>>>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is
relatively
>>>>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to build
>>>>>> OpenJDK
>>>>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build the
>>>>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
>>>>>> achieve
>>>>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Luss
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sorry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary,
and
>>>>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
>>>>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 21:11:08 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:11:08 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
In-Reply-To: <CAP7YuAS0S7Qg2jfxSOZ9TCs9Fxof=b+kLmtBsQ1kVhS6F_TBxg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey I want an Admiral Lord title...

The fact that we are trying to improve OpenJDK is great feat. I am just
happy to try to play some part in it.

John
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On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Martijn Verburg
<martijnverburg at gmail.com>wrote:

> We == a bunch of OpenJDK hackers that were at FOSDEM, including some Oracle
> folks, linux distro folks (eg red hat, debian) and lots of independant
> hackers. I didn't exactly take a roll call.
>
> My position?  Grand lord admiral, hmm no wait the bylaws probably don't
> allow that :-).
>
> I'm just an enthusiastic amateur hacker who wants to see more Java
> developers get involved in the OpenJDK <shrug>.
>
> M
>
> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> > who is we, and where do your position in this openjdk?
> >
> > you are not oracle :)
> >
> > F
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Martijn Verburg
> > <martijnverburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Frans,
> >>
> >> We only just started discussing all of this at FOSDEM.  Some patience
> please
> >> :).
> >>
> >> We will begin by clearly linking in the various community efforts from
> the
> >> OpenJDK site and wiki.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Martijn
> >>
> >> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >>> mmm :) raise up :
> >>>
> >>> henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
> >>> denis with openscg..
> >>>
> >>> i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
> >>> will be forgotten :)
> >>>
> >>> but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is shortly
> >>>
> >>> 1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
> >>> 2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk 6
> >>> patch..
> >>>
> >>> where is the community work, esp the umbrella?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> martjin,
> >>> when will we get the binary?
> >>>
> >>> F
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
> >>>>
> >>>> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
> >>>>
> >>>> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
> >>>> for OSX with MLVM)
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>>
> >>>> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
> >>>>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside
> >>>>> openjdk :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> let start promote openscg.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in
> openjdk
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NB: waiting oracle
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community
> member
> >>>>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is
> relatively
> >>>>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to build
> >>>>>> OpenJDK
> >>>>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions
> carefully
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
> >>>>>> version
> >>>>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build the
> >>>>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
> >>>>>> achieve
> >>>>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --Luss
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> sorry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary,
> and
> >>>>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk
> people
> >>>>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
>


From john.pampuch at oracle.com  Sun Feb 12 07:14:50 2012
From: john.pampuch at oracle.com (John Pampuch)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:14:50 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
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Message-ID: <2A34B135-D6AF-4435-837C-35E7FAF7585E@oracle.com>

"Grand Lord Admiral"... I think that title is just a matter of a rule change for the openJDK, right?

-John

Sent from my other location

On Feb 11, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg at gmail.com> wrote:

> We == a bunch of OpenJDK hackers that were at FOSDEM, including some Oracle
> folks, linux distro folks (eg red hat, debian) and lots of independant
> hackers. I didn't exactly take a roll call.
> 
> My position?  Grand lord admiral, hmm no wait the bylaws probably don't
> allow that :-).
> 
> I'm just an enthusiastic amateur hacker who wants to see more Java
> developers get involved in the OpenJDK <shrug>.
> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>> who is we, and where do your position in this ope
>> you are not oracle :)
>> 
>> F
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Martijn Verburg
>> <martijnverburg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Frans,
>>> 
>>> We only just started discussing all of this at FOSDEM.  Some patience
> please
>>> :).
>>> 
>>> We will begin by clearly linking in the various community efforts from
> the
>>> OpenJDK site and wiki.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martijn
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>>>> mmm :) raise up :
>>>> 
>>>> henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
>>>> denis with openscg..
>>>> 
>>>> i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
>>>> will be forgotten :)
>>>> 
>>>> but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is shortly
>>>> 
>>>> 1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
>>>> 2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk 6
>>>> patch..
>>>> 
>>>> where is the community work, esp the umbrella?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> martjin,
>>>> when will we get the binary?
>>>> 
>>>> F
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
>>>>> 
>>>>> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
>>>>> for OSX with MLVM)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
>>>>>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside
>>>>>> openjdk :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> let start promote openscg.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in
> openjdk
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NB: waiting oracle
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community
> member
>>>>>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is
> relatively
>>>>>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to build
>>>>>>> OpenJDK
>>>>>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions carefully
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the Windoze
>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build the
>>>>>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
>>>>>>> achieve
>>>>>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --Luss
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> sorry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary,
> and
>>>>>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk people
>>>>>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 


From frans at meruvian.org  Sun Feb 12 09:11:53 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:11:53 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK Binary
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Wish can apply as necromancer here.
On Feb 12, 2012 2:14 PM, "John Pampuch" <john.pampuch at oracle.com> wrote:

> "Grand Lord Admiral"... I think that title is just a matter of a rule
> change for the openJDK, right?
>
> -John
>
> Sent from my other location
>
> On Feb 11, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We == a bunch of OpenJDK hackers that were at FOSDEM, including some
> Oracle
> > folks, linux distro folks (eg red hat, debian) and lots of independant
> > hackers. I didn't exactly take a roll call.
> >
> > My position?  Grand lord admiral, hmm no wait the bylaws probably don't
> > allow that :-).
> >
> > I'm just an enthusiastic amateur hacker who wants to see more Java
> > developers get involved in the OpenJDK <shrug>.
> > On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> >> who is we, and where do your position in this ope
> >> you are not oracle :)
> >>
> >> F
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Martijn Verburg
> >> <martijnverburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Frans,
> >>>
> >>> We only just started discussing all of this at FOSDEM.  Some patience
> > please
> >>> :).
> >>>
> >>> We will begin by clearly linking in the various community efforts from
> > the
> >>> OpenJDK site and wiki.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Martijn
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday, 11 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >>>> mmm :) raise up :
> >>>>
> >>>> henri with openjdk-osx-build in code.google.com
> >>>> denis with openscg..
> >>>>
> >>>> i think binary is important, esp the j6, j7, and j8.. i beleive j7
> >>>> will be forgotten :)
> >>>>
> >>>> but i think still a lot of people using j6, and life of time is
> shortly
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. there will be people pay for update to oracle.
> >>>> 2. there will be people want community model regarding of the openjdk
> 6
> >>>> patch..
> >>>>
> >>>> where is the community work, esp the umbrella?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> martjin,
> >>>> when will we get the binary?
> >>>>
> >>>> F
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:01 AM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> I package OpenJDK 7 for OSX for almost a year :
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://code.google.com/p/openjdk-osx-build/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You could find there up to date OpenJDK7 for OSX (and even OpenJDK8
> >>>>> for OSX with MLVM)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2012/2/10 Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>:
> >>>>>> i am joining your openscg. strange oracle want the binary outside
> >>>>>> openjdk :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> let start promote openscg.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i am glad my student can part of the packing program :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> so people can start using openjdk for their work..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> but of course, that will be awesome if openscg can have link in
> > openjdk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> NB: waiting oracle
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I am confident that Oracle will not "sue" me.  I am a community
> > member
> >>>>>>> acting in the open and in good faith.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There really is no big secret to what OpenSCG does.   It is
> > relatively
> >>>>>>> trivial to build the OpenJDK on Linux.    It's a bit tricky to
> build
> >>>>>>> OpenJDK
> >>>>>>> on Windoze, but, I just followed the published instructions
> carefully
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> did a little web searching when I ran into issues.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Over the last couple years it has become easier to build the
> Windoze
> >>>>>>> version
> >>>>>>> of OpenJDK (especically version 7 & 8).   For OpenJDK 6, I build
> the
> >>>>>>> binaries on Windows 2000 with an old version of Visual Studio to
> >>>>>>> achieve
> >>>>>>> maximum compatibility with newer versions of Win32/Win64.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --Luss
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Frans Thamura <
> frans at meruvian.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> sorry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> can u share the how to , how to build and create all those binary,
> > and
> >>>>>>>> i just think, your openscg.org as the "main" page for openjdk
> people
> >>>>>>>> to start. and will oracle sue you :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 12:13:58 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:13:58 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
Message-ID: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have created a very basic installation of Ubuntu 11.10 on a Virtual Box
VM. It includes all of the tools required to build JDK 8. It is small (10
GB), but this is still rather large to me. I could put the image up to
allow people to download it, but that could take some time.Ultimately I
would like to get the image down to < 4GB so that we can use it on a memory
stick. I tried to use Ubuntu Minimal, but could not get it to install on
less than 4GB. I will see about adding this to the wiki, and also to the
README-builds.html in the root of the distribution.

I created a jdk7u build first to bootstrap the jdk8 build and it worked
perfectly.

John

____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
<https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
____________________________

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt


From martijnverburg at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 19:58:50 2012
From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:58:50 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7YuAT_dFd6kDMbpHnekQ_QwE12Qwj_u9P5FFBMhZ07kLjLPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

Good news!  Mike and I have a smaller image (~5Gb), but it's based off
10.04 and we started with a java 7 binary.

Does your image have the jtreg tests running?

We should try and get on Skype later this week to discuss further steps (we
have some temp hosting).  Both Mike and I are on holiday in NZ but will try
to get back into this soon!

Thanks again,

Cheers,
Martijn

On Monday, 13 February 2012, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have created a very basic installation of Ubuntu 11.10 on a Virtual Box
> VM. It includes all of the tools required to build JDK 8. It is small (10
> GB), but this is still rather large to me. I could put the image up to
> allow people to download it, but that could take some time.Ultimately I
> would like to get the image down to < 4GB so that we can use it on a
memory
> stick. I tried to use Ubuntu Minimal, but could not get it to install on
> less than 4GB. I will see about adding this to the wiki, and also to the
> README-builds.html in the root of the distribution.
>
> I created a jdk7u build first to bootstrap the jdk8 build and it worked
> perfectly.
>
> John
>
> ____________________________
>
> John Yeary
> ____________________________
>
> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> ____________________________
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 20:05:27 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:05:27 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAP7YuAT_dFd6kDMbpHnekQ_QwE12Qwj_u9P5FFBMhZ07kLjLPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP7YuAT_dFd6kDMbpHnekQ_QwE12Qwj_u9P5FFBMhZ07kLjLPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQtimy8CQ7Z8Aa_+015q_5qqGUEtaTYKeV=H3FW2O8aHyPQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Martijn,

I do not have jtreg installed. I will add it and see if I can make mine
smaller. My skype id is johnyeary

John
____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
<https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
____________________________

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Martijn Verburg
<martijnverburg at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Good news!  Mike and I have a smaller image (~5Gb), but it's based off
> 10.04 and we started with a java 7 binary.
>
> Does your image have the jtreg tests running?
>
> We should try and get on Skype later this week to discuss further steps
> (we have some temp hosting).  Both Mike and I are on holiday in NZ but will
> try to get back into this soon!
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Cheers,
> Martijn
>
>
> On Monday, 13 February 2012, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have created a very basic installation of Ubuntu 11.10 on a Virtual Box
> > VM. It includes all of the tools required to build JDK 8. It is small (10
> > GB), but this is still rather large to me. I could put the image up to
> > allow people to download it, but that could take some time.Ultimately I
> > would like to get the image down to < 4GB so that we can use it on a
> memory
> > stick. I tried to use Ubuntu Minimal, but could not get it to install on
> > less than 4GB. I will see about adding this to the wiki, and also to the
> > README-builds.html in the root of the distribution.
> >
> > I created a jdk7u build first to bootstrap the jdk8 build and it worked
> > perfectly.
> >
> > John
> >
> > ____________________________
> >
> > John Yeary
> > ____________________________
> >
> > <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> > <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
> >  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> > <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
> >  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> > <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
> >  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> > ____________________________
> >
> > "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> > though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits
> who
> > neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray
> twilight
> > that knows not victory nor defeat."
> > -- Theodore Roosevelt
> >
>


From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Sun Feb 12 22:55:42 2012
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:55:42 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F38436E.800@oracle.com>

On 2/12/12 1:13 PM, John Yeary wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I have created a very basic installation of Ubuntu 11.10 on a Virtual Box
> VM. It includes all of the tools required to build JDK 8. It is small (10
> GB), but this is still rather large to me. I could put the image up to
> allow people to download it, but that could take some time.

I think that even better then an actual VirtualBox image would be to have 
repeatable, automated steps to create (customized, even) images using 
something like http://vagrantup.com/ (or whatever people are most familiar with). 

A downside of distributing actual images, beside sheer size, is that updating 
& regenerating them for different purposes becomes a chore. On the other hand, 
a VirtualBox image build script would be a lot more interesting, as it could be
customized for different purposes - a 'just-enough-to-build' variant, a 
jdk8/6/7u/jigsaw/lamdba variant, etc.

> I created a jdk7u build first to bootstrap the jdk8 build and it worked
> perfectly.

Good to hear! 

cheers,
dalibor topic
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From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 01:30:30 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:30:30 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dalibor,

The purpose of having a common Virtual Box image is to provide an
"out-of-the-box" image for everyone one to use for an OpenJDK hack-a-thon.
This way we have a small image which we can share with the team that is
absolutely consistent across the development environment. This guarantees
that we are all drinking from the same well. If anyone experiences an
issue, we should all have the same issue, and solution.

We want the image small enough to fit on 4GB, or 8GB USB drives so people
don't have to torrent, or download an image. We can pass the USB around
with the only prerequisite being to have Virtual Box installed on your
system.

I don't want to get lost in the weeds, it is simply a convenient
distribution mechanism. Especially, if we can hand it to you with all the
tools, and JDK repository installed. Then it is a matter of pulling the
changes, and we are off to the races.

I love my mac, and the Mac OS X build is almost a perfect build experience.
The only thing better would be to go into the root directory and just type
'make' without options. It is close. I want that to be the same experience
for every build on all OSes. Windows will be the challenge.

My only issue with Vagrant is bandwidth consumption to get it installed and
running if 20 of us meet in a coffee shop (READ: Pub) and hit a single
network access point. I don't want to assume people will do the work up
front to come to the event. I want to make sure that I have the highest
probably of success assuming the lowest common denominator. I do like the
idea of using something like Vagrant, but it would have to be in a place
with fat pipes.

I am excited that people are taking an interest in what Martijn, Ben, and
I... and a host of other characters are doing. It is a good thing. :-)

John
____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
<https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
____________________________

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Dalibor Topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com>wrote:

> On 2/12/12 1:13 PM, John Yeary wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have created a very basic installation of Ubuntu 11.10 on a Virtual Box
> > VM. It includes all of the tools required to build JDK 8. It is small (10
> > GB), but this is still rather large to me. I could put the image up to
> > allow people to download it, but that could take some time.
>
> I think that even better then an actual VirtualBox image would be to have
> repeatable, automated steps to create (customized, even) images using
> something like http://vagrantup.com/ (or whatever people are most
> familiar with).
>
> A downside of distributing actual images, beside sheer size, is that
> updating
> & regenerating them for different purposes becomes a chore. On the other
> hand,
> a VirtualBox image build script would be a lot more interesting, as it
> could be
> customized for different purposes - a 'just-enough-to-build' variant, a
> jdk8/6/7u/jigsaw/lamdba variant, etc.
>
> > I created a jdk7u build first to bootstrap the jdk8 build and it worked
> > perfectly.
>
> Good to hear!
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
> --
> Oracle <http://www.oracle.com>
> Dalibor Topic | Java F/OSS Ambassador
> Phone: +494023646738 <tel:+494023646738> | Mobile: +491772664192 <tel:
> +491772664192>
> Oracle Java Platform Group
>
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg
>
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen
> Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603
> Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz
>
> Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
> Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Astrid Kepper, Val Maher
>
> Green Oracle <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to
> developing practices and products that help protect the environment
>


From denisl at openscg.com  Mon Feb 13 03:08:47 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:08:47 -0800
Subject: Java End of Life Time
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVUjbT9C3xvrHx-UUvbM=wuti8FJ2Lq599UnWseydBGEJA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with what John has said below.   But, I also believe that OpenJDK 6
has a very bright future.   It is a mature & major part of many production
*nix  operating systems and vendors like Redhat (and others) have made sure
that it is kept up to date with applicable security fixes from the newer
dev branches.

I believe a major question is...  Do many people really care about using
OpenJDK 6 on Windoze.   I've been packaging it and making it publically for
two years and to date the answer is unclear.   Sometimes I think there is
more interest in building it than using it.  :-)

--Luss


On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:11 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is focused
> on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone (company) other than
> Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things. However, I
> think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay current.
>
> John
> ____________________________
>
> John Yeary
> ____________________________
>
> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> ____________________________
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>
> > hi all
> >
> > a small question..
> >
> > we know the Java 6 will end , a life time support will be come..
> >
> > but if, the community product.. we also the community people, can work
> > together to continue the life time . rather pay to oracle, no all of
> > us love this model.
> >
> > https://java.sys-con.com/node/2154299
> >
> > any idea to keep make J6 supported? if oracle ask us for pay for the life
> > time
> >
> >
> > F
> >
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 13 04:30:09 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:30:09 +0700
Subject: Java End of Life Time
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVUjbT9C3xvrHx-UUvbM=wuti8FJ2Lq599UnWseydBGEJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUjbT9C3xvrHx-UUvbM=wuti8FJ2Lq599UnWseydBGEJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyoyiGJDRZhtRbwSe+VG48umHuXqCPtpVHZFXnJwkOeQjg@mail.gmail.com>

I believe, we cant obey and forget windows from ecosystem

Mysql become popular because has windows binary
On Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM, "Lussier, Denis" <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:

> I agree with what John has said below.   But, I also believe that OpenJDK
> 6 has a very bright future.   It is a mature & major part of many
> production *nix  operating systems and vendors like Redhat (and others)
> have made sure that it is kept up to date with applicable security fixes
> from the newer dev branches.
>
> I believe a major question is...  Do many people really care about using
> OpenJDK 6 on Windoze.   I've been packaging it and making it publically for
> two years and to date the answer is unclear.   Sometimes I think there is
> more interest in building it than using it.  :-)
>
> --Luss
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:11 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is
>> focused
>> on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone (company) other
>> than
>> Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things. However, I
>> think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay current.
>>
>> John
>> ____________________________
>>
>> John Yeary
>> ____________________________
>>
>> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
>> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>>  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
>> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>>  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
>> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
>> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
>> that knows not victory nor defeat."
>> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > hi all
>> >
>> > a small question..
>> >
>> > we know the Java 6 will end , a life time support will be come..
>> >
>> > but if, the community product.. we also the community people, can work
>> > together to continue the life time . rather pay to oracle, no all of
>> > us love this model.
>> >
>> > https://java.sys-con.com/node/2154299
>> >
>> > any idea to keep make J6 supported? if oracle ask us for pay for the
>> life
>> > time
>> >
>> >
>> > F
>> >
>>
>
>


From denisl at openscg.com  Mon Feb 13 04:45:52 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:45:52 -0800
Subject: Java End of Life Time
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyoyiGJDRZhtRbwSe+VG48umHuXqCPtpVHZFXnJwkOeQjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUjbT9C3xvrHx-UUvbM=wuti8FJ2Lq599UnWseydBGEJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyoyiGJDRZhtRbwSe+VG48umHuXqCPtpVHZFXnJwkOeQjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVWKP6so1N1R9Af0CpTF4nshJPoKCsrgsC1oa5ZyaHVkkQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that Windows is still extremely important to Java and the JDK.
It's way too big of a platform to ignore and clearly OpenJDK supports
Windows (although it is difficult to build).   IMHO, many Windows shops are
not very strict about requiring true "open source" as long as there is a
free enterprise-class alternative available.   There will be a pickup in
demand for Windows OpenJDK 6 binaries when/if Oracle stops freely
distributing new updates to their JDK6 proprietary version.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> I believe, we cant obey and forget windows from ecosystem
>
> Mysql become popular because has windows binary
>
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 13 05:31:15 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:31:15 +0700
Subject: Java End of Life Time
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVWKP6so1N1R9Af0CpTF4nshJPoKCsrgsC1oa5ZyaHVkkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVUjbT9C3xvrHx-UUvbM=wuti8FJ2Lq599UnWseydBGEJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyoyiGJDRZhtRbwSe+VG48umHuXqCPtpVHZFXnJwkOeQjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVWKP6so1N1R9Af0CpTF4nshJPoKCsrgsC1oa5ZyaHVkkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyq6e=oJbsfTX7cLRabxWnGukHdnN5MM9OKNG4bL2uVEbw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes

That is my idea of this thread.
On Feb 13, 2012 11:46 AM, "Lussier, Denis" <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:

> I agree that Windows is still extremely important to Java and the JDK.
> It's way too big of a platform to ignore and clearly OpenJDK supports
> Windows (although it is difficult to build).   IMHO, many Windows shops are
> not very strict about requiring true "open source" as long as there is a
> free enterprise-class alternative available.   There will be a pickup in
> demand for Windows OpenJDK 6 binaries when/if Oracle stops freely
> distributing new updates to their JDK6 proprietary version.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>
>> I believe, we cant obey and forget windows from ecosystem
>>
>> Mysql become popular because has windows binary
>>
>>


From pdoubleya at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 07:32:06 2012
From: pdoubleya at gmail.com (Patrick Wright)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:32:06 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFn-HvshzbX0=zMf=yyLZRja-2DNSHOpyzdG=jC2ETNVF1vpbg@mail.gmail.com>

John

I can understand why Vagrant is not the right solution for you in this
case, but I think it would help the wider community if we could
leverage your work to get your build process to work with Vagrant (or
something similar) so that others can build complete, clean, isolated
images on demand. In fact, doing so would even allow you to throw away
your build at any time and re-create it on a "fresh" OS (for example,
on new releases of Ubuntu).

If you can give me some pointers for getting started, I'd be glad to
throw in a bit of time to get going in the direction of automated
Vagrant-style builds.


Thanks!
Patrick


From martijnverburg at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 07:46:50 2012
From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:46:50 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAFn-HvshzbX0=zMf=yyLZRja-2DNSHOpyzdG=jC2ETNVF1vpbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFn-HvshzbX0=zMf=yyLZRja-2DNSHOpyzdG=jC2ETNVF1vpbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7YuAShxuCVwGS-aJvVKDnbss=mOgUn-KAZeNgYXnVDv3U1sA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'd also like to see clear build instructions for the various
platforms. Probably on a wiki (matrix) to begin with and then later on
driven by what a future OpenJDK build farm supports.

John, if you did keep the notes on how you did the build that would be
great, we can probably combine with our notes and provide that for
people who want to build their own (as well as looking at things like
vagrant to do it).

Cheers,
Martijn

On 13 February 2012 07:32, Patrick Wright <pdoubleya at gmail.com> wrote:
> John
>
> I can understand why Vagrant is not the right solution for you in this
> case, but I think it would help the wider community if we could
> leverage your work to get your build process to work with Vagrant (or
> something similar) so that others can build complete, clean, isolated
> images on demand. In fact, doing so would even allow you to throw away
> your build at any time and re-create it on a "fresh" OS (for example,
> on new releases of Ubuntu).
>
> If you can give me some pointers for getting started, I'd be glad to
> throw in a bit of time to get going in the direction of automated
> Vagrant-style builds.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Patrick


From aph at redhat.com  Mon Feb 13 09:16:24 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:16:24 +0000
Subject: Java End of Life Time
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F38D4E8.20305@redhat.com>

On 02/11/2012 02:11 PM, John Yeary wrote:
> Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is focused
> on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9.

Because people use our work, and they need it to be supported.
It's not just about us, the community.  There is a community of
users too.

Andrew.



From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 13 09:42:07 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:42:07 +0700
Subject: Java End of Life Time
In-Reply-To: <4F38D4E8.20305@redhat.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr+p_4x9gRhNSYGHBrxpoamxbOiCXS7JRhk5RPCxDzK3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtim5GHoGBiJbtMZUGuNAjbAGAkKaaKcAgRSrHKEow-pxhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38D4E8.20305@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyrLY+--jn7gxUhXvq7JBFfNj5aS_FY3UxdMeDaukV_FjQ@mail.gmail.com>

The last person in community that can say end of life of a product.

I believe oracle dont have right to say, end, and if you want continue must
pay, which i believe a case for long term support happen in sun era, by sap.

I wish openjdk can accomodate thia case.
On Feb 13, 2012 4:17 PM, "Andrew Haley" <aph at redhat.com> wrote:

> On 02/11/2012 02:11 PM, John Yeary wrote:
> > Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is
> focused
> > on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9.
>
> Because people use our work, and they need it to be supported.
> It's not just about us, the community.  There is a community of
> users too.
>
> Andrew.
>
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 13 10:10:09 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:10:09 +0700
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAP7YuAShxuCVwGS-aJvVKDnbss=mOgUn-KAZeNgYXnVDv3U1sA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFn-HvshzbX0=zMf=yyLZRja-2DNSHOpyzdG=jC2ETNVF1vpbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP7YuAShxuCVwGS-aJvVKDnbss=mOgUn-KAZeNgYXnVDv3U1sA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyoDGgSrQEmZ10HU8RJY0SqYjMKbJ4GkVJ865zjL3ZGTXQ@mail.gmail.com>

i am personally have more interest in download binary for mac, win and
linux in openjdk.

what is the VM purpose? i prefer the binary is higher priority than vm
in openjdk task list, is it possible?

F



On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Martijn Verburg
<martijnverburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'd also like to see clear build instructions for the various
> platforms. Probably on a wiki (matrix) to begin with and then later on
> driven by what a future OpenJDK build farm supports.
>
> John, if you did keep the notes on how you did the build that would be
> great, we can probably combine with our notes and provide that for
> people who want to build their own (as well as looking at things like
> vagrant to do it).
>
> Cheers,
> Martijn
>
> On 13 February 2012 07:32, Patrick Wright <pdoubleya at gmail.com> wrote:
>> John
>>
>> I can understand why Vagrant is not the right solution for you in this
>> case, but I think it would help the wider community if we could
>> leverage your work to get your build process to work with Vagrant (or
>> something similar) so that others can build complete, clean, isolated
>> images on demand. In fact, doing so would even allow you to throw away
>> your build at any time and re-create it on a "fresh" OS (for example,
>> on new releases of Ubuntu).
>>
>> If you can give me some pointers for getting started, I'd be glad to
>> throw in a bit of time to get going in the direction of automated
>> Vagrant-style builds.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Patrick


From martijnverburg at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 10:33:37 2012
From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:33:37 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyoDGgSrQEmZ10HU8RJY0SqYjMKbJ4GkVJ865zjL3ZGTXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFn-HvshzbX0=zMf=yyLZRja-2DNSHOpyzdG=jC2ETNVF1vpbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP7YuAShxuCVwGS-aJvVKDnbss=mOgUn-KAZeNgYXnVDv3U1sA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyoDGgSrQEmZ10HU8RJY0SqYjMKbJ4GkVJ865zjL3ZGTXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7YuASfpggX00DuxoobNGyHB+Mn6SZjme-SYwBoTx+dYzcEPA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be updating the wiki next week - M

On Monday, 13 February 2012, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> i am personally have more interest in download binary for mac, win and
> linux in openjdk.
>
> what is the VM purpose? i prefer the binary is higher priority than vm
> in openjdk task list, is it possible?
>
> F
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Martijn Verburg
> <martijnverburg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'd also like to see clear build instructions for the various
>> platforms. Probably on a wiki (matrix) to begin with and then later on
>> driven by what a future OpenJDK build farm supports.
>>
>> John, if you did keep the notes on how you did the build that would be
>> great, we can probably combine with our notes and provide that for
>> people who want to build their own (as well as looking at things like
>> vagrant to do it).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martijn
>>
>> On 13 February 2012 07:32, Patrick Wright <pdoubleya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> John
>>>
>>> I can understand why Vagrant is not the right solution for you in this
>>> case, but I think it would help the wider community if we could
>>> leverage your work to get your build process to work with Vagrant (or
>>> something similar) so that others can build complete, clean, isolated
>>> images on demand. In fact, doing so would even allow you to throw away
>>> your build at any time and re-create it on a "fresh" OS (for example,
>>> on new releases of Ubuntu).
>>>
>>> If you can give me some pointers for getting started, I'd be glad to
>>> throw in a bit of time to get going in the direction of automated
>>> Vagrant-style builds.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Patrick
>


From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Mon Feb 13 10:44:47 2012
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:44:47 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>

On 2/13/12 2:30 AM, John Yeary wrote:
> My only issue with Vagrant is bandwidth consumption to get it installed and running if 20 of us meet in a coffee shop (READ: Pub) and hit a single network access point. I don't want to assume people will do the work up front to come to the event. I want to make sure that I have the highest probably of success assuming the lowest common denominator. I do like the idea of using something like Vagrant, but it would have to be in a place with fat pipes.

I'd expect in either case someone to come with a generated image on a couple of mediums,
so I'm not sure that bandwidth would be a problem - basically, have one person run the
image build before the event, and bring along enough bits for everyone. ;)

cheers,
dalibor topic
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From fcassia at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 14:40:13 2012
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:40:13 -0300
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyrh65PY6UUqrWyGta+S-+Jm+RuPJa+hudpgMugQWtDZCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyoS8B4329Vxv6dUsdsqp8-DrDoEgKkWME0R=+ay-hCMHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACGw4H6oSV6OqM=8OVmMfqO-K0Ckux+suX3aaVdQ7haroDzLsg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 16:39, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> no lar ;)
>
> just to make sure the ecosystem of development in the right checklist

https://twitter.com/#!/fthamura/status/168035592611962880

I rest my case. Next troll, please...

FC
-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
- George Orwell


From pdoubleya at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 14:48:05 2012
From: pdoubleya at gmail.com (Patrick Wright)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:48:05 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>

> I'd expect in either case someone to come with a generated image on a couple of mediums,
> so I'm not sure that bandwidth would be a problem - basically, have one person run the
> image build before the event, and bring along enough bits for everyone. ;)

I agree, and this has the great advantage that if the update/build
toolchain is stable, one can easily decide what version/release to
build (e.g. with or without lambda would be interesting at the
moment).


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 15:00:18 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:00:18 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
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	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>
	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dalibor,

Is there a place where we can place "community" builds for various
platforms. I would like to have a central repository for them. I am
uploading a version of my openjdk7-zerovm-ppc build so that someone can use
it to bootstrap a BSD build. I am using my Google Storage account to do it
though. I know I could put it on Java.net, but I would like some more
central spot on Java.net.

Ultimately, I would like to see "official" OpenJDK builds for various
platforms posted on the main OpenJDK site. I know we have some promoted
builds but it would be nice to have a CI setup.

John
____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
<https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
____________________________

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Patrick Wright <pdoubleya at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I'd expect in either case someone to come with a generated image on a
> couple of mediums,
> > so I'm not sure that bandwidth would be a problem - basically, have one
> person run the
> > image build before the event, and bring along enough bits for everyone.
> ;)
>
> I agree, and this has the great advantage that if the update/build
> toolchain is stable, one can easily decide what version/release to
> build (e.g. with or without lambda would be interesting at the
> moment).
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 15:03:49 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:03:49 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>
	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOzQtin9-xn743=Ca=twMfs3CM=zfJrbCUxvmv1hbQ7eweU3Eg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I missed the big picture. Although the Vagrant system would not
necessarily work for a hack-a-thon per se. I do see the value now. I guess
I did not understand what Dalibor was trying to tell me. I read Patrick's
email, and went back to the message Dailbor sent.

Ahh... the lightbulb is on now!

Martijn, I have notes. I reconstructed my VB VM to make sure I had all the
necessary bits.

This is so exciting.

John
____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
<https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
____________________________

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:00 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dalibor,
>
> Is there a place where we can place "community" builds for various
> platforms. I would like to have a central repository for them. I am
> uploading a version of my openjdk7-zerovm-ppc build so that someone can use
> it to bootstrap a BSD build. I am using my Google Storage account to do it
> though. I know I could put it on Java.net, but I would like some more
> central spot on Java.net.
>
> Ultimately, I would like to see "official" OpenJDK builds for various
> platforms posted on the main OpenJDK site. I know we have some promoted
> builds but it would be nice to have a CI setup.
>
> John
> ____________________________
>
> John Yeary
> ____________________________
>
> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>   <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>   <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>   <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> ____________________________
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Patrick Wright <pdoubleya at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> > I'd expect in either case someone to come with a generated image on a
>> couple of mediums,
>> > so I'm not sure that bandwidth would be a problem - basically, have one
>> person run the
>> > image build before the event, and bring along enough bits for everyone.
>> ;)
>>
>> I agree, and this has the great advantage that if the update/build
>> toolchain is stable, one can easily decide what version/release to
>> build (e.g. with or without lambda would be interesting at the
>> moment).
>>
>
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 15:12:51 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:12:51 -0500
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
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Hello All,

I spoke with Frans via IM. I don't believe that he is trying to be
problematic. I don't think he was getting what the project is about. I also
think he is concerned (based on our chat), that he doesn't want to promote
OpenJDK in companies, and education if there is a fear of lawsuits. The
question was not phrased, or framed very well.

I would like to focus the project on the task at hand, and avoid any flame
wars. I don't think it is constructive to do so.

We have a great opportunity to work as a worldwide team of developers to
make a difference. Please don't forget that.

WE ARE OpenJDK.

John
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 16:39, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> > no lar ;)
> >
> > just to make sure the ecosystem of development in the right checklist
>
> https://twitter.com/#!/fthamura/status/168035592611962880
>
> I rest my case. Next troll, please...
>
> FC
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
> - George Orwell
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 15:30:24 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:30:24 -0500
Subject: Java End of Life Time
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Ugh!

I wasn't implying that it shouldn't be supported right now. As Mark, and
Andrew pointed out there are some obstacles and opportunities: "Official"
JDK 7 is not available for Mac OSX, and the user community will likely need
support for OpenJDK 6 going forward.

Denis pointed out that Windows builds are not necessarily being consumed
with vigor. This will likely be the case as the JDK advances on for  other
versions as well.

I am kind of surprised by Andrew though... I find that folks who are using
OpenJDK on RedHat will tend to migrate from old tech to new tech quickly.
;-)

I think that with limited resources, the folks who are working on OpenJDK
(volunteers not paid) will likely focus on the next generation stuff.
Anecdotal evidence based on experience. It does open the opportunity for
companies to support it in the ecosystem for older editions. Even back
porting changes in 7, 8, 9... if they will work and improve the user
experience.

There are a number of banks who are still on JDK 1.4.2. This represents a
big obstacle to moving forward. Eventually, it will be a bigger task once
they decide to move ahead. Hopefully, the move won't be to JDK 6. It is
like falling up stairs. ;-)

John

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neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mark Derricutt <mark at talios.com> wrote:

> I'd say we need to support it for the simple reason that Java 7 is not yet
> available on OSX.
>
> --
> "Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things" ? Steven Wilson,
> Porcupine Tree
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is
>> focused
>> on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone (company) other
>> than
>> Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things. However, I
>> think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay current.
>>
>
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 13 15:39:10 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:39:10 +0700
Subject: Java End of Life Time
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i still confuse, do i need jdk 6 :)


my code all still based on 5.. :) to lazy to learn new thing now.. getting old


can we trust use 7 for our production right now?

and we know oracle push to 8.. but the 7 , is a to much hurry release..

i think after post-acquzition, the upgrade getting more unfriendly (to
fast). and our work are happy with old one.

F




On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:30 PM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ugh!
>
> I wasn't implying that it shouldn't be supported right now. As Mark, and
> Andrew pointed out there are some obstacles and opportunities: "Official"
> JDK 7 is not available for Mac OSX, and the user community will likely need
> support for OpenJDK 6 going forward.
>
> Denis pointed out that Windows builds are not necessarily being consumed
> with vigor. This will likely be the case as the JDK advances on for ?other
> versions as well.
>
> I am kind of surprised by Andrew though... I find that folks who are using
> OpenJDK on RedHat will tend to migrate from old tech to new tech quickly.
> ;-)
>
> I think that with limited resources, the folks who are working on OpenJDK
> (volunteers not paid) will likely focus on the next generation stuff.
> Anecdotal evidence based on experience. It does open the opportunity for
> companies to support it in the ecosystem for older editions. Even back
> porting changes in 7, 8, 9... if they will work and improve the user
> experience.
>
> There are a number of banks who are still on JDK 1.4.2. This represents a
> big obstacle to moving forward. Eventually, it will be a bigger task once
> they decide to move ahead. Hopefully, the move won't be to JDK 6. It is
> like falling up stairs. ;-)
>
> John
>
> ____________________________
>
> John Yeary
> ____________________________
>
> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/> ?<https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
> ?<http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
> ?<http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
> ?<http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> ____________________________
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mark Derricutt <mark at talios.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd say we need to support it for the simple reason that Java 7 is not yet
>> available on OSX.
>>
>> --
>> "Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things" ? Steven Wilson,
>> Porcupine Tree
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is
>>> focused
>>> on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone (company) other
>>> than
>>> Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things. However, I
>>> think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay current.
>>>
>>
>>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 16:01:42 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:01:42 -0500
Subject: Java End of Life Time
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Do you ever get the feeling like you are standing in the hole you are
digging? I am feeling it now.

JDK6 is currently available in the official Oracle downloads.
Early Access JDK6 is available from http://jdk6.java.net/ is not being
updated in a timely manner. It should probably be updated, but the builds
are there http://jdk6.java.net/download.html

JDK7 is currently available in the official Oracle downloads for a number
of platforms (Windows, Solaris, Linux)
JDK7 Preview for Mac OS X is available from the official Oracle downloads.
Early Access JDK7 is available from http://jdk7.java.net/

OpenJDK 6, 7, and 8 are available for download and building on your
supported platform.

There are a number of folks who build versions of OpenJDK as binary
downloads as a convenience for various versions, platforms, and operating
systems.

Only you can decide if you want to use JDK 7 in production. That remark
about using it seems inflammatory, It is currently the latest version and
supported.

Oracle is not pushing JDK 8. It is not even available. We JUG leaders are
trying to get people invloved in OpenJDK on version 8 to improve the
release when it becomes generally available next year.

The other remarks are seemingly inflammatory, and irrelevant to the
discussion.

John
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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> i still confuse, do i need jdk 6 :)
>
>
> my code all still based on 5.. :) to lazy to learn new thing now.. getting
> old
>
>
> can we trust use 7 for our production right now?
>
> and we know oracle push to 8.. but the 7 , is a to much hurry release..
>
> i think after post-acquzition, the upgrade getting more unfriendly (to
> fast). and our work are happy with old one.
>
> F
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:30 PM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ugh!
> >
> > I wasn't implying that it shouldn't be supported right now. As Mark, and
> > Andrew pointed out there are some obstacles and opportunities: "Official"
> > JDK 7 is not available for Mac OSX, and the user community will likely
> need
> > support for OpenJDK 6 going forward.
> >
> > Denis pointed out that Windows builds are not necessarily being consumed
> > with vigor. This will likely be the case as the JDK advances on for
>  other
> > versions as well.
> >
> > I am kind of surprised by Andrew though... I find that folks who are
> using
> > OpenJDK on RedHat will tend to migrate from old tech to new tech quickly.
> > ;-)
> >
> > I think that with limited resources, the folks who are working on OpenJDK
> > (volunteers not paid) will likely focus on the next generation stuff.
> > Anecdotal evidence based on experience. It does open the opportunity for
> > companies to support it in the ecosystem for older editions. Even back
> > porting changes in 7, 8, 9... if they will work and improve the user
> > experience.
> >
> > There are a number of banks who are still on JDK 1.4.2. This represents a
> > big obstacle to moving forward. Eventually, it will be a bigger task once
> > they decide to move ahead. Hopefully, the move won't be to JDK 6. It is
> > like falling up stairs. ;-)
> >
> > John
> >
> > ____________________________
> >
> > John Yeary
> > ____________________________
> >
> > <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> > <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
> >  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> > <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
> >  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> > <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
> >  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> > ____________________________
> >
> > "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> > though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits
> who
> > neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray
> twilight
> > that knows not victory nor defeat."
> > -- Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mark Derricutt <mark at talios.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'd say we need to support it for the simple reason that Java 7 is not
> yet
> >> available on OSX.
> >>
> >> --
> >> "Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things" ? Steven
> Wilson,
> >> Porcupine Tree
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is
> >>> focused
> >>> on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone (company) other
> >>> than
> >>> Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things.
> However, I
> >>> think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay current.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 16:06:18 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:06:18 -0500
Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Java End of Life Time
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LOL... the bank remarks at least here in NC, SC, and GA generally meet
category 2. I love it.

We had a discussion at the IOUC Summit about backwards compatibility. Since
Java 1.0, the platform has been backwards compatible for binary releases.
Granted if they needed to change their old code base, they would need to
upgrade, but I don't even think they would try to run their code with JDK 7
to even see if it breaks.
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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jess Holle <jessh at ptc.com> wrote:

>  Is there any sort of an ETA / target release date for a "stable" Java 7
> (including Java Plug-In!) for Mac OS X?
>
> On every other substantive platform (even AIX!) it seems the time is now
> right to *require* Java 7 for new product releases.  Mac OS X is a boat
> anchor for the Java community, though.  You end up either having to cut it
> loose (i.e. not support it) or it drags you down and holds you back.
>
> --
> Jess Holle
>
> P.S. I suspect any bank that moves from Java 1.4.2 in the near future will
> move to Java 6 precisely because it is so old and proven at this point.
> There are 2 types of IT stances: (1) those that want active maintenance and
> are thus amenable to (controlled) change in software they depend upon and
> (2) those who'd really prefer something that has entirely stopped changing
> in any way whatsoever -- even if that means no maintenance.  Category (1)
> includes early adopters but also those who very carefully gauge when a
> technology is mature enough to be a trusted replacement for older
> versions.  Category (2) includes folk like banks who are so averse to
> change that they're deathly afraid of maintenance releases.
>
>
> On 2/13/2012 9:30 AM, John Yeary wrote:
>
> Ugh!
>
>  I wasn't implying that it shouldn't be supported right now. As Mark, and
> Andrew pointed out there are some obstacles and opportunities: "Official"
> JDK 7 is not available for Mac OSX, and the user community will likely need
> support for OpenJDK 6 going forward.
>
>  Denis pointed out that Windows builds are not necessarily being consumed
> with vigor. This will likely be the case as the JDK advances on for  other
> versions as well.
>
>  I am kind of surprised by Andrew though... I find that folks who are
> using OpenJDK on RedHat will tend to migrate from old tech to new tech
> quickly. ;-)
>
>  I think that with limited resources, the folks who are working on
> OpenJDK (volunteers not paid) will likely focus on the next generation
> stuff. Anecdotal evidence based on experience. It does open the opportunity
> for companies to support it in the ecosystem for older editions. Even back
> porting changes in 7, 8, 9... if they will work and improve the user
> experience.
>
>  There are a number of banks who are still on JDK 1.4.2. This represents
> a big obstacle to moving forward. Eventually, it will be a bigger task once
> they decide to move ahead. Hopefully, the move won't be to JDK 6. It is
> like falling up stairs. ;-)
>
>  John
>
> ____________________________
>
>  John Yeary
> ____________________________
>
>  <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>   <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>   <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>   <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> ____________________________
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mark Derricutt <mark at talios.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd say we need to support it for the simple reason that Java 7 is not
>> yet available on OSX.
>>
>> --
>> "Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things" ? Steven
>> Wilson, Porcupine Tree
>>
>>  On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is
>>> focused
>>>  on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone (company) other
>>> than
>>> Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things. However, I
>>> think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay current.
>>>
>>
>>
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From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 13 16:09:30 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:09:30 +0700
Subject: Java End of Life Time
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> Only you can decide if you want to use JDK 7 in production. That remark
> about using it seems inflammatory, It is currently the latest version and
> supported.

my evaluation goes to the model of the community .. openjdk.. because
my another leg work in education world.


>
> Oracle is not pushing JDK 8. It is not even available. We JUG leaders are
> trying to get people invloved in OpenJDK on version 8 to improve the
> release when it becomes generally available next year.
>

here also :0

the topic quiet hot, OpenJDK or Oracle JDK...



>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>
>> i still confuse, do i need jdk 6 :)
>>
>>
>> my code all still based on 5.. :) to lazy to learn new thing now.. getting
>> old
>>
>>
>> can we trust use 7 for our production right now?
>>
>> and we know oracle push to 8.. but the 7 , is a to much hurry release..
>>
>> i think after post-acquzition, the upgrade getting more unfriendly (to
>> fast). and our work are happy with old one.
>>
>> F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:30 PM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Ugh!
>> >
>> > I wasn't implying that it shouldn't be supported right now. As Mark, and
>> > Andrew pointed out there are some obstacles and opportunities: "Official"
>> > JDK 7 is not available for Mac OSX, and the user community will likely
>> need
>> > support for OpenJDK 6 going forward.
>> >
>> > Denis pointed out that Windows builds are not necessarily being consumed
>> > with vigor. This will likely be the case as the JDK advances on for
>> ?other
>> > versions as well.
>> >
>> > I am kind of surprised by Andrew though... I find that folks who are
>> using
>> > OpenJDK on RedHat will tend to migrate from old tech to new tech quickly.
>> > ;-)
>> >
>> > I think that with limited resources, the folks who are working on OpenJDK
>> > (volunteers not paid) will likely focus on the next generation stuff.
>> > Anecdotal evidence based on experience. It does open the opportunity for
>> > companies to support it in the ecosystem for older editions. Even back
>> > porting changes in 7, 8, 9... if they will work and improve the user
>> > experience.
>> >
>> > There are a number of banks who are still on JDK 1.4.2. This represents a
>> > big obstacle to moving forward. Eventually, it will be a bigger task once
>> > they decide to move ahead. Hopefully, the move won't be to JDK 6. It is
>> > like falling up stairs. ;-)
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > ____________________________
>> >
>> > John Yeary
>> > ____________________________
>> >
>> > <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/> ?<https://twitter.com/jyeary>
>> > <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>> > ?<http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
>> > <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>> > ?<http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
>> > <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>> > ?<http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
>> > ____________________________
>> >
>> > "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
>> > though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits
>> who
>> > neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray
>> twilight
>> > that knows not victory nor defeat."
>> > -- Theodore Roosevelt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mark Derricutt <mark at talios.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'd say we need to support it for the simple reason that Java 7 is not
>> yet
>> >> available on OSX.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> "Great artists are extremely selfish and arrogant things" ? Steven
>> Wilson,
>> >> Porcupine Tree
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the community is
>> >>> focused
>> >>> on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone (company) other
>> >>> than
>> >>> Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things.
>> However, I
>> >>> think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay current.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>


From aph at redhat.com  Mon Feb 13 16:45:10 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:45:10 +0000
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtimPDhp9Ph6qrahXAGC9bcB9se6ooOtLzG49_rUHDjM0Hw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 02/13/2012 03:12 PM, John Yeary wrote:
> I spoke with Frans via IM. I don't believe that he is trying to be
> problematic. I don't think he was getting what the project is about. I also
> think he is concerned (based on our chat), that he doesn't want to promote
> OpenJDK in companies, and education if there is a fear of lawsuits. The
> question was not phrased, or framed very well.
> 
> I would like to focus the project on the task at hand, and avoid any flame
> wars. I don't think it is constructive to do so.
> 
> We have a great opportunity to work as a worldwide team of developers to
> make a difference. Please don't forget that.

Fair enough, but I think that any approach to this list that begins
with "If I ship Java with a nonstandard API, will Oracle sue me?" will
not get a good response.  It's a question that reminds everyone of
Microsoft's "Embrace, extend and extinguish."  It took quite a lot for
Sun to come around to the idea that it was safe to free Java, partly
because the community just wasn't interested in incompatible variants.

Andrew.


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 16:59:26 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:59:26 -0500
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
In-Reply-To: <4F393E16.7010500@redhat.com>
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Agreed.

I don't like inflammatory items on the mailing lists I am on. I want people
to focus on topic like everyone else I am sure.

It is one thing to have a "hot" issue like closures, continuations, etc.
where people may have opinions, but another to make dross remarks.

John
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though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Andrew Haley <aph at redhat.com> wrote:

> On 02/13/2012 03:12 PM, John Yeary wrote:
> > I spoke with Frans via IM. I don't believe that he is trying to be
> > problematic. I don't think he was getting what the project is about. I
> also
> > think he is concerned (based on our chat), that he doesn't want to
> promote
> > OpenJDK in companies, and education if there is a fear of lawsuits. The
> > question was not phrased, or framed very well.
> >
> > I would like to focus the project on the task at hand, and avoid any
> flame
> > wars. I don't think it is constructive to do so.
> >
> > We have a great opportunity to work as a worldwide team of developers to
> > make a difference. Please don't forget that.
>
> Fair enough, but I think that any approach to this list that begins
> with "If I ship Java with a nonstandard API, will Oracle sue me?" will
> not get a good response.  It's a question that reminds everyone of
> Microsoft's "Embrace, extend and extinguish."  It took quite a lot for
> Sun to come around to the idea that it was safe to free Java, partly
> because the community just wasn't interested in incompatible variants.
>
> Andrew.
>


From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Mon Feb 13 17:09:38 2012
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:09:38 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/13/12 3:48 PM, Patrick Wright wrote:
>> I'd expect in either case someone to come with a generated image on a couple of mediums,
>> so I'm not sure that bandwidth would be a problem - basically, have one person run the
>> image build before the event, and bring along enough bits for everyone. ;)
> 
> I agree, and this has the great advantage that if the update/build
> toolchain is stable, one can easily decide what version/release to
> build (e.g. with or without lambda would be interesting at the
> moment).

Right. The other important aspect for me is that such say vagrant scripts should be 
much easier for interested individuals in the community to adapt & maintain then 
should be actual images themselves.

cheers,
dalibor topic
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From fcassia at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 18:03:14 2012
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:03:14 -0300
Subject: Java End of Life Time
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:39, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> can we trust use 7 for our production right now?
>
> and we know oracle push to 8.. but the 7 , is a to much hurry release..
> i think after post-acquzition, the upgrade getting more unfriendly (to fast)

I think you are spinning things any way you can to blame Oracle for
something. Sunwas blamed for taking too long between releases, now you
say Oracle is too fast...

Then you say you?d like OpenJDK 6 supported forever, next thing you?re
going to blame them for stopping support for Java 5...

Java is backwards compatible, you can run your JDK 5 code in Java 7,
and if it doesn?t work for some reason, then you have hit a bug. H*ck
you can even run Java 1.3 code under the latest greatest Java, and I
suspect even Java 1.1 applets still work (in fact I?ve used a few
dealing with 3D images).

FC

-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
- George Orwell


From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Tue Feb 14 00:14:19 2012
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:14:19 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/13/12 4:00 PM, John Yeary wrote:
> Hello Dalibor,
> 
> Is there a place where we can place "community" builds for various
> platforms.

If you're implicitly asking "on the OpenJDK website" then no - the different 
groups building OpenJDK(based) binaries host their builds within their communities, 
for example as packages integrated in their operating systems, software stacks, 
etc.

> I would like to have a central repository for them. 

I think that per-Project directories are preferable - which is for example 
what the BSD port has on its wiki: https://wikis.oracle.com/display/OpenJDK/BSDPort 
and it is pretty easy to update when a new community build comes along (or goes
away).

cheers,
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From johnyeary at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 01:19:20 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:19:20 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>
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Let me make sure I understand, on the OpenJDK site we don't want to host
binaries either built by community folks, or Oracle?

If I have a binary, add it as an attachment to the wiki for the specific
port?

John
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Dalibor Topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com>wrote:

> On 2/13/12 4:00 PM, John Yeary wrote:
> > Hello Dalibor,
> >
> > Is there a place where we can place "community" builds for various
> > platforms.
>
> If you're implicitly asking "on the OpenJDK website" then no - the
> different
> groups building OpenJDK(based) binaries host their builds within their
> communities,
> for example as packages integrated in their operating systems, software
> stacks,
> etc.
>
> > I would like to have a central repository for them.
>
> I think that per-Project directories are preferable - which is for example
> what the BSD port has on its wiki:
> https://wikis.oracle.com/display/OpenJDK/BSDPort
> and it is pretty easy to update when a new community build comes along (or
> goes
> away).
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
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> developing practices and products that help protect the environment
>


From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Tue Feb 14 12:06:29 2012
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:06:29 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com>

On 2/14/12 2:19 AM, John Yeary wrote:
> Let me make sure I understand, on the OpenJDK site we don't want to host
> binaries either built by community folks, or Oracle?

Distributing (third party) binaries is not what OpenJDK is set up to do well. 
In the way of a broken analogy, it's a bit like the Linux kernel, and its 
source-code only kernel.org, then it is like, say, a full-fledged Linux 
distribution, that provides binaries, caters to end users, etc. Or gcc.gnu.org,
for another example.

> If I have a binary, add it as an attachment to the wiki for the specific
> port?

That won't work, technically. But then, there is also a lot more work to 
distributing any open source code then finding a spot large enough to host 
a binary.

cheers,
dalibor topic
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From donald.smith at oracle.com  Tue Feb 14 13:45:34 2012
From: donald.smith at oracle.com (Donald Smith)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:45:34 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com>
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Personally, I think a well formed list of links to the community 
binaries makes a lot of sense.

  - Don

On 14/02/2012 7:06 AM, Dalibor Topic wrote:
> On 2/14/12 2:19 AM, John Yeary wrote:
>> Let me make sure I understand, on the OpenJDK site we don't want to host
>> binaries either built by community folks, or Oracle?
> Distributing (third party) binaries is not what OpenJDK is set up to do well.
> In the way of a broken analogy, it's a bit like the Linux kernel, and its
> source-code only kernel.org, then it is like, say, a full-fledged Linux
> distribution, that provides binaries, caters to end users, etc. Or gcc.gnu.org,
> for another example.
>
>> If I have a binary, add it as an attachment to the wiki for the specific
>> port?
> That won't work, technically. But then, there is also a lot more work to
> distributing any open source code then finding a spot large enough to host
> a binary.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 13:46:28 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:46:28 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
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OK, I get it about the Kernel. However, a kernel OpenJDK is not. The Linux
kernel needs more to make it an O/S. An OpenJDK binary is a complete system
in about 68MB for OpenJDK 7 Mac PPC.

I do understand that the system is not currently configured with a CI. It
does make sense thought to have a CI with the build artifacts which people
can download. Even if it is only a limited set like the last 10 builds.
This sounds very appealing for a number of obvious reasons.

Yes, putting the bits up on a wiki did seem odd to me. I will link my bits
to my current storage account, but I will find a better solution.

Just a thought... we have jdk6.java.net, and jdk7.java.net... does it make
sense to have openjdk7.java.net for binaries from either Oracle, or
community folks?

John

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neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Dalibor Topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com>wrote:

> On 2/14/12 2:19 AM, John Yeary wrote:
> > Let me make sure I understand, on the OpenJDK site we don't want to host
> > binaries either built by community folks, or Oracle?
>
> Distributing (third party) binaries is not what OpenJDK is set up to do
> well.
> In the way of a broken analogy, it's a bit like the Linux kernel, and its
> source-code only kernel.org, then it is like, say, a full-fledged Linux
> distribution, that provides binaries, caters to end users, etc. Or
> gcc.gnu.org,
> for another example.
>
> > If I have a binary, add it as an attachment to the wiki for the specific
> > port?
>
> That won't work, technically. But then, there is also a lot more work to
> distributing any open source code then finding a spot large enough to host
> a binary.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
> --
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> +491772664192>
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>
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From johnyeary at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 15:44:40 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:44:40 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F3A657E.8040101@oracle.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>
	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>
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Hello Dalibor and Donald,

Am I missing something? It seems like you both are not really interested in
a central repository for OpenJDK builds. Is there an Oracle prohibition
about doing something like this?

I can add a page with links to binaries from the community.

I think a lot of users and companies are more likely to be wary of
downloading "John's Wacky OpenJDK 7 for PPC". OK, that was overly dramatic,
but I know I am wary of downloading compiled bits from someone I don't know.

Some folks make really good bits and package them nicely. Mine are just a
zip file.

John
____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

<http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
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  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
<http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
____________________________

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Donald Smith <donald.smith at oracle.com>wrote:

> Personally, I think a well formed list of links to the community binaries
> makes a lot of sense.
>
>  - Don
>
>
> On 14/02/2012 7:06 AM, Dalibor Topic wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/12 2:19 AM, John Yeary wrote:
>>
>>> Let me make sure I understand, on the OpenJDK site we don't want to host
>>> binaries either built by community folks, or Oracle?
>>>
>> Distributing (third party) binaries is not what OpenJDK is set up to do
>> well.
>> In the way of a broken analogy, it's a bit like the Linux kernel, and its
>> source-code only kernel.org, then it is like, say, a full-fledged Linux
>> distribution, that provides binaries, caters to end users, etc. Or
>> gcc.gnu.org,
>> for another example.
>>
>>  If I have a binary, add it as an attachment to the wiki for the specific
>>> port?
>>>
>> That won't work, technically. But then, there is also a lot more work to
>> distributing any open source code then finding a spot large enough to host
>> a binary.
>>
>> cheers,
>> dalibor topic
>>
>


From donald.smith at oracle.com  Tue Feb 14 16:41:10 2012
From: donald.smith at oracle.com (Donald Smith)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:41:10 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtime=EC+8tHSX_PG0du9uGH1Qj_=-=Z7jdsccu04nAD_8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>	<4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com>
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	<CAOzQtime=EC+8tHSX_PG0du9uGH1Qj_=-=Z7jdsccu04nAD_8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F3A8EA6.7090803@oracle.com>

No prohibition at all.  But, we already build and host our own binaries 
for Java and simply don't have the resources of need to do it twice.  
We'd rather not be in the practice of hosting binaries that other 
people/groups produce.  So, from that deduction we'd happily have a 
central repository of links to great builds produced and hosted by others.

  - Don

On 14/02/2012 10:44 AM, John Yeary wrote:
> Hello Dalibor and Donald,
>
> Am I missing something? It seems like you both are not really interested in
> a central repository for OpenJDK builds. Is there an Oracle prohibition
> about doing something like this?
>
> I can add a page with links to binaries from the community.
>
> I think a lot of users and companies are more likely to be wary of
> downloading "John's Wacky OpenJDK 7 for PPC". OK, that was overly dramatic,
> but I know I am wary of downloading compiled bits from someone I don't know.
>
> Some folks make really good bits and package them nicely. Mine are just a
> zip file.
>
> John
> ____________________________
>
> John Yeary
> ____________________________
>
> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>   <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>    <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>    <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>    <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> ____________________________
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Donald Smith<donald.smith at oracle.com>wrote:
>
>> Personally, I think a well formed list of links to the community binaries
>> makes a lot of sense.
>>
>>   - Don
>>
>>
>> On 14/02/2012 7:06 AM, Dalibor Topic wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/14/12 2:19 AM, John Yeary wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let me make sure I understand, on the OpenJDK site we don't want to host
>>>> binaries either built by community folks, or Oracle?
>>>>
>>> Distributing (third party) binaries is not what OpenJDK is set up to do
>>> well.
>>> In the way of a broken analogy, it's a bit like the Linux kernel, and its
>>> source-code only kernel.org, then it is like, say, a full-fledged Linux
>>> distribution, that provides binaries, caters to end users, etc. Or
>>> gcc.gnu.org,
>>> for another example.
>>>
>>>   If I have a binary, add it as an attachment to the wiki for the specific
>>>> port?
>>>>
>>> That won't work, technically. But then, there is also a lot more work to
>>> distributing any open source code then finding a spot large enough to host
>>> a binary.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> dalibor topic
>>>


From frans at meruvian.org  Tue Feb 14 16:44:30 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:44:30 +0700
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F3A8EA6.7090803@oracle.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
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denis, may be can become one of the commiter here...

which my student/team are learning how to build from him directly
now.. update shortly

F



On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Donald Smith <donald.smith at oracle.com> wrote:
> No prohibition at all. ?But, we already build and host our own binaries for
> Java and simply don't have the resources of need to do it twice. ?We'd
> rather not be in the practice of hosting binaries that other people/groups
> produce. ?So, from that deduction we'd happily have a central repository of
> links to great builds produced and hosted by others.
>
> ?- Don
>
>
> On 14/02/2012 10:44 AM, John Yeary wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dalibor and Donald,
>>
>> Am I missing something? It seems like you both are not really interested
>> in
>> a central repository for OpenJDK builds. Is there an Oracle prohibition
>> about doing something like this?
>>
>> I can add a page with links to binaries from the community.
>>
>> I think a lot of users and companies are more likely to be wary of
>> downloading "John's Wacky OpenJDK 7 for PPC". OK, that was overly
>> dramatic,
>> but I know I am wary of downloading compiled bits from someone I don't
>> know.
>>
>> Some folks make really good bits and package them nicely. Mine are just a
>> zip file.
>>
>> John
>> ____________________________
>>
>> John Yeary
>> ____________________________
>>
>> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/> ? <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
>> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
>> ? <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
>> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
>> ? <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
>> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
>> ? <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
>> ____________________________
>>
>> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
>> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
>> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
>> that knows not victory nor defeat."
>> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Donald
>> Smith<donald.smith at oracle.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I think a well formed list of links to the community binaries
>>> makes a lot of sense.
>>>
>>> ?- Don
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14/02/2012 7:06 AM, Dalibor Topic wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/14/12 2:19 AM, John Yeary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let me make sure I understand, on the OpenJDK site we don't want to
>>>>> host
>>>>> binaries either built by community folks, or Oracle?
>>>>>
>>>> Distributing (third party) binaries is not what OpenJDK is set up to do
>>>> well.
>>>> In the way of a broken analogy, it's a bit like the Linux kernel, and
>>>> its
>>>> source-code only kernel.org, then it is like, say, a full-fledged Linux
>>>> distribution, that provides binaries, caters to end users, etc. Or
>>>> gcc.gnu.org,
>>>> for another example.
>>>>
>>>> ?If I have a binary, add it as an attachment to the wiki for the
>>>> specific
>>>>>
>>>>> port?
>>>>>
>>>> That won't work, technically. But then, there is also a lot more work to
>>>> distributing any open source code then finding a spot large enough to
>>>> host
>>>> a binary.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> dalibor topic
>>>>
>


From aph at redhat.com  Tue Feb 14 16:51:56 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:51:56 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F3A657E.8040101@oracle.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>	<4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com>
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On 02/14/2012 01:45 PM, Donald Smith wrote:
> Personally, I think a well formed list of links to the community 
> binaries makes a lot of sense.

I suppose so, but there's the question of trust.  How well are
they going to be tested?  Are the sites secure?  Etc.

The Linux distros are really well set-up to do this kind of thing,
but only for GNU/Linux.

Andrew.


From pdoubleya at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 17:11:28 2012
From: pdoubleya at gmail.com (Patrick Wright)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:11:28 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F3A912C.7030701@redhat.com>
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Perhaps it's more productive at the moment to put the hosting question
aside and work on making the build process "easy" across systems. That
work can be crowd sourced and isn't dependent on Oracle making a
decision about resources and hosting. If we target building within
"clean" OS environments, e.g. hosted in a VM created each time for
that purpose, we have, in principle, complete(?) repeatability and
scriptability. Once we have that, configuring a CI system to create
builds automatically is easy. Individual JUGs or other trusted
community members can host builds to start with. The community can
then look at what the best options are for a locked-down, reliable
hosting environment for builds across the board.

What I'm imagining as a first milestone is a cleaned-up version of
John's build script, as a Bash file, checked into Github with a
Vagrantfile to create the VM and run the script. Then we get people to
bang on that and look at what needs to be done for environment/OS #2,
3, etc.

Patrick


From laurent.daynes at oracle.com  Mon Feb  6 22:41:15 2012
From: laurent.daynes at oracle.com (Laurent Daynes)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:41:15 +0100
Subject: CFV: New Project: Graal
Message-ID: <4F30570B.4050004@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

-- 
    Laurent Dayn?s
Oracle Labs


From kelly.ohair at oracle.com  Tue Feb 14 19:11:09 2012
From: kelly.ohair at oracle.com (Kelly O'Hair)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:11:09 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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There is an on-going project, very active now, on changing the build infrastructure.

http://openjdk.java.net/projects/build-infra/

Setting up OS images wasn't necessarily in the plans, but any effort in this area should
at least be co-ordinating with the build infrastructure project.

-kto

On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Patrick Wright wrote:

> Perhaps it's more productive at the moment to put the hosting question
> aside and work on making the build process "easy" across systems. That
> work can be crowd sourced and isn't dependent on Oracle making a
> decision about resources and hosting. If we target building within
> "clean" OS environments, e.g. hosted in a VM created each time for
> that purpose, we have, in principle, complete(?) repeatability and
> scriptability. Once we have that, configuring a CI system to create
> builds automatically is easy. Individual JUGs or other trusted
> community members can host builds to start with. The community can
> then look at what the best options are for a locked-down, reliable
> hosting environment for builds across the board.
> 
> What I'm imagining as a first milestone is a cleaned-up version of
> John's build script, as a Bash file, checked into Github with a
> Vagrantfile to create the VM and run the script. Then we get people to
> bang on that and look at what needs to be done for environment/OS #2,
> 3, etc.
> 
> Patrick



From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 16 20:57:56 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:57:56 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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I agree. I feel like this is a major contributor to Open JDK not being 
used as much; well, until now since the OS distribution license is going 
away, but individually I think this type thing will still push 
individual developers and small companies away. There needs to be a 
central location where one can go and download various version for their 
various platforms. As a developer using a product to build a solution, 
myself and many others, do not want every project we use to be a big 
ordeal to get going on various platforms we need to deliver solutions. 
It is a simple numbers game on time.

If OpenJDK is going to be successful as other OSS projects, then this is 
going to have to be a must sooner or later and preferably sooner.

The current "Download and <link>install</link>" on the front page makes 
me ponder what I'm about to write.

I have heard the arguments about a JDK or a JRE being a "system" 
component, and from experience, that doesn't work out so well. If I have 
a particular system where I need to be able to know certain things about 
my software, for instance that a bug in build xxy doesn't get introduced 
in my system where I'm depending on xxx because a user runs some simple 
system updates which I have to then eat in time and money figuring out 
and fixing, then I want to include the main components my application is 
built atop as part of my overall installer; a sub-component of my 
overall software package.

Now, if it is something smaller, or certain server based applications, 
then perhaps a system requirement is OK, but in most cases, not. I want 
to be able to get a binary of the system for the given OS, include it in 
an install, and be moving on. I don't think building the thing for the 
platform needs to be part of that unless I'm specifically allocating 
some time and resources to contribute back to the project, and in those 
cases it is a specific part of my business processes and completely 
separate from my end delivery.

Along with that, when I'm investigating technologies which to build 
atop, and I'm new to those things, if I have to look here and there to 
find binaries, and it takes forever to get going with my requirements 
list to verify if something will work out or not, then I will often move 
on to something else with which I can get up and running. Ease of entry 
to the Java ecosystem needs to be kept in mind.

That's my $0.02 (2 cents), Thanks,

Wade

On 02/14/2012 08:45 AM, Donald Smith wrote:
> Personally, I think a well formed list of links to the community 
> binaries makes a lot of sense.
>
>  - Don
>
> On 14/02/2012 7:06 AM, Dalibor Topic wrote:
>> On 2/14/12 2:19 AM, John Yeary wrote:
>>> Let me make sure I understand, on the OpenJDK site we don't want to 
>>> host
>>> binaries either built by community folks, or Oracle?
>> Distributing (third party) binaries is not what OpenJDK is set up to 
>> do well.
>> In the way of a broken analogy, it's a bit like the Linux kernel, and 
>> its
>> source-code only kernel.org, then it is like, say, a full-fledged Linux
>> distribution, that provides binaries, caters to end users, etc. Or 
>> gcc.gnu.org,
>> for another example.
>>
>>> If I have a binary, add it as an attachment to the wiki for the 
>>> specific
>>> port?
>> That won't work, technically. But then, there is also a lot more work to
>> distributing any open source code then finding a spot large enough to 
>> host
>> a binary.
>>
>> cheers,
>> dalibor topic



From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 16 21:18:51 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:18:51 -0500
Subject: Hacked OpenJDK
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My take on the line of questions about legal things is that sort of 
stuff can be very confusing for people. It can be especially confusing 
for folks whose first language isn't English and they are reading 
English. Too, the Google v Oracle thing throws a little extra confusion 
into the mix since 1) the case isn't settled yet. 2) there isn't a heap 
of valid information on that available because of #1 though the 
available information seems grokable to myself once you get through the 
FUD and 3) someone is being sued; some folks just don't get it for what 
ever reason and can be a little scary for them; various countries, 
different laws, harsher realities on and on.

Sometimes simple explanations of the differences help and are required. 
I could bring up the Apache bit too, but no need, though it does 
contribute to confusion, and there are a lot of weeds to get through. 
The openjdk license should perhaps clear those up for anyone with 
knowledge of all that history....yada yada...the whole thing is a long 
story.

On the comments related to binaries, he was definitely onto something. 
He seems dismayed that he has to look here and there for binaries for 
various platforms. One of the very virtues of Java is write once and run 
every where. Now, not having the binaries doesn't detract from that, but 
it certainly is a barrier to entry to using OpenJDK if one is targeting 
various platforms. That isn't inflammatory, but I think a fact. One must 
find the binaries or build them; unless I'm missing something. Seems 
like an issue the community could dwell upon, and is being discussed in 
another thread.

Wade

On 02/13/2012 11:59 AM, John Yeary wrote:
> Agreed.
>
> I don't like inflammatory items on the mailing lists I am on. I want people
> to focus on topic like everyone else I am sure.
>
> It is one thing to have a "hot" issue like closures, continuations, etc.
> where people may have opinions, but another to make dross remarks.
>
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Andrew Haley<aph at redhat.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 02/13/2012 03:12 PM, John Yeary wrote:
>>> I spoke with Frans via IM. I don't believe that he is trying to be
>>> problematic. I don't think he was getting what the project is about. I
>> also
>>> think he is concerned (based on our chat), that he doesn't want to
>> promote
>>> OpenJDK in companies, and education if there is a fear of lawsuits. The
>>> question was not phrased, or framed very well.
>>>
>>> I would like to focus the project on the task at hand, and avoid any
>> flame
>>> wars. I don't think it is constructive to do so.
>>>
>>> We have a great opportunity to work as a worldwide team of developers to
>>> make a difference. Please don't forget that.
>> Fair enough, but I think that any approach to this list that begins
>> with "If I ship Java with a nonstandard API, will Oracle sue me?" will
>> not get a good response.  It's a question that reminds everyone of
>> Microsoft's "Embrace, extend and extinguish."  It took quite a lot for
>> Sun to come around to the idea that it was safe to free Java, partly
>> because the community just wasn't interested in incompatible variants.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>



From donald.smith at oracle.com  Thu Feb 16 23:41:03 2012
From: donald.smith at oracle.com (Donald Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:41:03 -0500
Subject: Java 6 EOL Update
Message-ID: <4F3D940F.8030507@oracle.com>

OpenJDK'ers,

For those that follow the BCL licensed "Oracle JDK", we just wanted to 
advise everyone that the Java 6 public EOL (for the Oracle JDK) has been 
pushed to November, 2012.  Also, we've described the criteria for 
setting the EOL to help understand future releases as well.  This has 
actually been the long standing criteria, but now clarified.

More details can be found here:
https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/updated_java_6_eol_date

Please let us know if you have any questions, here or on the blog.

Cheers,

  - Don


From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Fri Feb 17 00:22:26 2012
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:22:26 +0100
Subject: Java 6 EOL Update
In-Reply-To: <4F3D940F.8030507@oracle.com>
References: <4F3D940F.8030507@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <4F3D9DC2.3060205@oracle.com>

On 2/17/12 12:41 AM, Donald Smith wrote:
> OpenJDK'ers,
> 
> For those that follow the BCL licensed "Oracle JDK", we just wanted to advise everyone that the Java 6 public EOL (for the Oracle JDK) has been pushed to November, 2012.  Also, we've described the criteria for setting the EOL to help understand future releases as well.  This has actually been the long standing criteria, but now clarified.
> 
> More details can be found here:
> https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/updated_java_6_eol_date
> 
> Please let us know if you have any questions, here or on the blog.

Since OpenJDK 6 receives the applicable security fixes until the public 
EOL of 6, that basically means it just got a valentine's present of a 
couple more months, right?

cheers,
dalibor topic
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From donald.smith at oracle.com  Fri Feb 17 00:28:47 2012
From: donald.smith at oracle.com (Donald Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:28:47 -0500
Subject: Java 6 EOL Update
In-Reply-To: <4F3D9DC2.3060205@oracle.com>
References: <4F3D940F.8030507@oracle.com> <4F3D9DC2.3060205@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <4F3D9F3F.1040603@oracle.com>

<3

  - Don

On 16/02/2012 7:22 PM, Dalibor Topic wrote:
> Since OpenJDK 6 receives the applicable security fixes until the public
> EOL of 6, that basically means it just got a valentine's present of a
> couple more months, right?


From aph at redhat.com  Fri Feb 17 09:38:43 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:38:43 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F3D6DD4.9030606@yahoo.com>
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On 02/16/2012 08:57 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:

> I agree. I feel like this is a major contributor to Open JDK not
> being used as much; well, until now since the OS distribution
> license is going away, but individually I think this type thing will
> still push individual developers and small companies away. There
> needs to be a central location where one can go and download various
> version for their various platforms. As a developer using a product
> to build a solution, myself and many others, do not want every
> project we use to be a big ordeal to get going on various platforms
> we need to deliver solutions.  It is a simple numbers game on time.
> 
> If OpenJDK is going to be successful as other OSS projects, then
> this is going to have to be a must sooner or later and preferably
> sooner.

I don't really understand this.  OpenJDK is installed as the default
in every free OS, as far as I know.  I don't know much about
proprietary operating systems, but I presume people download
proprietary binaries from Oracle.  So, I presume you're talking about
some group of people who don't want to use the proprietary binaries
for some reason but instead want to use OpenJDK.  And not just
OpenJDK, but a particular version of it, because their software is
dependent on that version.

Andrew.



From johnyeary at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 13:54:01 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:54:01 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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Hello Everyone,

I am trying to get things done in my "spare" time. Last night I updated the
Darwin9 build process, and included scripts for my build, a link to my
build, a link to Kurt Miller's fine work, and just generally went through
the document. It is far from perfect, but it is a good start.

I will publish my other items for Ubutu, and the instructions to the
OpenJDK wikis tonight if I get a chance. I have some updates for the
README-builds.html file too for 11.10.The last update was for Ubuntu 9.04

I think that Kelly, Patrick, and Dailbor are on the right track. The best
approach is to make building the project as simple as typing 'make' and
waiting for it to succeed.

However, I would really like to stress that having a CI system build the
various versions, and exposing it for download is a posh idea. It would
guarantee to the person downloading it that it is a version which meets
quality standards, and is consistent. It is far less likely that the build
system is going to change as much as my personal system. I must admit I do
like having my name in the build. ;-) However, that is far less important
than getting people to feel confident in downloading the bits.

We want people to be able to download the latest bits, and not have to
worry about compiling it. If I want to use autoconf, I don't want to have
to think about downloading it and building it myself. I want to just go get
a compiled version. It should be that easy for OpenJDK too. Vagrant builds
are an extension of this concept.

John
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Andrew Haley <aph at redhat.com> wrote:

> On 02/16/2012 08:57 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>
> > I agree. I feel like this is a major contributor to Open JDK not
> > being used as much; well, until now since the OS distribution
> > license is going away, but individually I think this type thing will
> > still push individual developers and small companies away. There
> > needs to be a central location where one can go and download various
> > version for their various platforms. As a developer using a product
> > to build a solution, myself and many others, do not want every
> > project we use to be a big ordeal to get going on various platforms
> > we need to deliver solutions.  It is a simple numbers game on time.
> >
> > If OpenJDK is going to be successful as other OSS projects, then
> > this is going to have to be a must sooner or later and preferably
> > sooner.
>
> I don't really understand this.  OpenJDK is installed as the default
> in every free OS, as far as I know.  I don't know much about
> proprietary operating systems, but I presume people download
> proprietary binaries from Oracle.  So, I presume you're talking about
> some group of people who don't want to use the proprietary binaries
> for some reason but instead want to use OpenJDK.  And not just
> OpenJDK, but a particular version of it, because their software is
> dependent on that version.
>
> Andrew.
>
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Tue Feb 21 12:58:44 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:58:44 +0700
Subject: SQLSErver and Hadoop
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyoYye-g_YyCtGwrqf2MLBRxQxaGi2AYixY5NXmdBOzdJA@mail.gmail.com>

anyone may be know, MS just launch a SQL Server 2012, with hadoop inside

can anyone know, which JDK is it? OpenJDK?

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/uk_faculty_connection/archive/2011/11/20/microsoft-big-data-solution-sql-server-apache-hadoop-and-windows-azure.aspx


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From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 21 17:07:10 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:07:10 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On 02/17/2012 04:38 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 02/16/2012 08:57 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>
>> I agree. I feel like this is a major contributor to Open JDK not
>> being used as much; well, until now since the OS distribution
>> license is going away, but individually I think this type thing will
>> still push individual developers and small companies away. There
>> needs to be a central location where one can go and download various
>> version for their various platforms. As a developer using a product
>> to build a solution, myself and many others, do not want every
>> project we use to be a big ordeal to get going on various platforms
>> we need to deliver solutions.  It is a simple numbers game on time.
>>
>> If OpenJDK is going to be successful as other OSS projects, then
>> this is going to have to be a must sooner or later and preferably
>> sooner.
> I don't really understand this.  OpenJDK is installed as the default
> in every free OS, as far as I know.  I don't know much about
> proprietary operating systems, but I presume people download
> proprietary binaries from Oracle.  So, I presume you're talking about
> some group of people who don't want to use the proprietary binaries
> for some reason but instead want to use OpenJDK.  And not just
> OpenJDK, but a particular version of it, because their software is
> dependent on that version.
>

Per various differences, people download the Oracle JVM for Linux and 
Windows to build on top of it; different bugs, plugin issues etc. 
Various Linux distros have older versions of openjdk too btw depending 
on their update strategy, so unless you want  to immediately move to 
their latest release for a fix in openjdk you would get those yourself. 
Free/unfree OS doesn't play into it either way.

As it relates to bundling a particular version of a runtime with your 
software, whether it openjdk, python, perl, etc many do it. The same 
with statically linking C/C++ libraries into ones application or 
distributing shareable libraries in their own folder which gets 
prepended to the search path as to not be influenced by other 
applications. In consumer software there is nothing much more 
frustrating than trying to debug various updates to a 3rd party system 
which is only affecting certain groups of ones users since they could 
modify a specific component of the system you have designed or pieced 
together with a single click of an update reminder. It is all about time 
and money.

It comes down to a simple reality. Users don't care nor have the 
understanding as to why JRE or JDK 1.6_u19 versus 1.6_u21 causes an 
issue in some "unrelated" software. I know it isn't necessarily 
unrelated, but try explaining to an arbitrary K-12 teacher why another 
software vendor told them they had to upgrade to a different version of 
the JRE/JDK and it broke another application or vice versa.

I have experienced that from both sides. So, one of their vendors has to 
get in an upgrade before they are happy, and they are upset at both. 
Segregate those things so they are only a component of your designed 
system, and you don't have to deal with such things. What you tested is 
what you have running. Yes, OS updates etc can still cause issues, but 
at least one can minimise those changes.

It is what RedHat does with their professional JBoss offerings and 
Apache. It makes it a turn key solution.

Thanks,

Wade

-- 

=================
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Software Engineer and Consultant
NetBeans Contributor
NetBeans Dream Team Member

wadechandler.com
netbeans.org



From aph at redhat.com  Tue Feb 21 18:42:20 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:42:20 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On 02/21/2012 05:07 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> On 02/17/2012 04:38 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 02/16/2012 08:57 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. I feel like this is a major contributor to Open JDK not
>>> being used as much; well, until now since the OS distribution
>>> license is going away, but individually I think this type thing will
>>> still push individual developers and small companies away. There
>>> needs to be a central location where one can go and download various
>>> version for their various platforms. As a developer using a product
>>> to build a solution, myself and many others, do not want every
>>> project we use to be a big ordeal to get going on various platforms
>>> we need to deliver solutions.  It is a simple numbers game on time.
>>>
>>> If OpenJDK is going to be successful as other OSS projects, then
>>> this is going to have to be a must sooner or later and preferably
>>> sooner.
>>
>> I don't really understand this.  OpenJDK is installed as the default
>> in every free OS, as far as I know.  I don't know much about
>> proprietary operating systems, but I presume people download
>> proprietary binaries from Oracle.  So, I presume you're talking about
>> some group of people who don't want to use the proprietary binaries
>> for some reason but instead want to use OpenJDK.  And not just
>> OpenJDK, but a particular version of it, because their software is
>> dependent on that version.
> 
> Per various differences, people download the Oracle JVM for Linux
> and Windows to build on top of it; different bugs, plugin issues
> etc.  Various Linux distros have older versions of openjdk too btw
> depending on their update strategy, so unless you want to
> immediately move to their latest release for a fix in openjdk you
> would get those yourself.  Free/unfree OS doesn't play into it
> either way.

Well, maybe.  From my perspective, before OpenJDK was installed by
default on the OS things were just a mess.  There would be any number
of random JVMs installed, and if something didn't work, perhaps
because of some configuration error or whatnot, yet another JRE would
be installed.  And God help you if you needed a security update.

> As it relates to bundling a particular version of a runtime with
> your software, whether it openjdk, python, perl, etc many do it. The
> same with statically linking C/C++ libraries into ones application
> or distributing shareable libraries in their own folder which gets
> prepended to the search path as to not be influenced by other
> applications.

Well, yes.  And God help you if you need a security update.  For this
reason alone shipping versions of standard libraries is a disaster.

> In consumer software there is nothing much more frustrating than
> trying to debug various updates to a 3rd party system which is only
> affecting certain groups of ones users since they could modify a
> specific component of the system you have designed or pieced
> together with a single click of an update reminder. It is all about
> time and money.
> 
> It comes down to a simple reality. Users don't care nor have the 
> understanding as to why JRE or JDK 1.6_u19 versus 1.6_u21 causes an 
> issue in some "unrelated" software. I know it isn't necessarily 
> unrelated, but try explaining to an arbitrary K-12 teacher why another 
> software vendor told them they had to upgrade to a different version of 
> the JRE/JDK and it broke another application or vice versa.

Well, yes.  An arbitrary K-12 teacher is exactly the kind of person
who shouldn't be installing JREs.  Did I mention security updates?

We have moved on such a long way since OpenJDK was released.  When we
find things that don't work in, say, Fedora, we can build and
distribute OpenJDK releases in a reasonably organized way.  But it's
not instant, and if people still want to do things the old way, that's
up to them, of course.

> I have experienced that from both sides. So, one of their vendors has to
> get in an upgrade before they are happy, and they are upset at both.
> Segregate those things so they are only a component of your designed
> system, and you don't have to deal with such things. What you tested is
> what you have running. Yes, OS updates etc can still cause issues, but
> at least one can minimise those changes.
> 
> It is what RedHat does with their professional JBoss offerings and
> Apache. It makes it a turn key solution.

Well, that's a bit different.  You're talking about organizations with
enterprise-scale build and distribution networks who can automagically
update those components when they need to.  They certainly don't need
to grab pre-built binaries from anywhere.

Andrew.


From john.r.rose at oracle.com  Wed Feb 22 06:09:43 2012
From: john.r.rose at oracle.com (John Rose)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:09:43 -0800
Subject: Project proposal: Graal
In-Reply-To: <94AC9D59-4509-4488-9D14-5A358EC897D7@oracle.com>
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On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:32 AM, Douglas Simon wrote:

>> Copying may (or may not) result in a significant footprint increase
>> as well as require update synchronization.
> 
> In general, we will attempt to not duplicate VM data structures but
> access them directly from Java code. For example, Graal currently
> does not use the C++ CI interface code (used by c1 and c2).
> The current perm-gen removal project may have an adverse impact on
> this issue. However, we may also be able to directly access C++ data
> structures (we control the compiler ;-).

The copying in the Hotspot CI interface is not just buffering across handles.

There is a transactional aspect to the CI interface.  Some kinds of metadata are read under a lock.  A stable copy of the read is used optimistically, and rechecked at the end of the compile.  This may sometimes be faster and more correct than alternatives that keep only one copy of the metadata.

(FTR, the recheck is ciEnv::validate_compile_task_dependencies.)

? John

From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 22 17:18:18 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:18:18 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On 02/21/2012 01:42 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 02/21/2012 05:07 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>> On 02/17/2012 04:38 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> On 02/16/2012 08:57 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree. I feel like this is a major contributor to Open JDK not
>>>> being used as much; well, until now since the OS distribution
>>>> license is going away, but individually I think this type thing will
>>>> still push individual developers and small companies away. There
>>>> needs to be a central location where one can go and download various
>>>> version for their various platforms. As a developer using a product
>>>> to build a solution, myself and many others, do not want every
>>>> project we use to be a big ordeal to get going on various platforms
>>>> we need to deliver solutions.  It is a simple numbers game on time.
>>>>
>>>> If OpenJDK is going to be successful as other OSS projects, then
>>>> this is going to have to be a must sooner or later and preferably
>>>> sooner.
>>> I don't really understand this.  OpenJDK is installed as the default
>>> in every free OS, as far as I know.  I don't know much about
>>> proprietary operating systems, but I presume people download
>>> proprietary binaries from Oracle.  So, I presume you're talking about
>>> some group of people who don't want to use the proprietary binaries
>>> for some reason but instead want to use OpenJDK.  And not just
>>> OpenJDK, but a particular version of it, because their software is
>>> dependent on that version.
I should have added here, yes, exactly, people who want to include 
OpenJDK as part of their solution. Too, those don't have to be folks 
writing large scale enterprise applications. They can be custom desktop 
or small scale network applications.
>> Per various differences, people download the Oracle JVM for Linux
>> and Windows to build on top of it; different bugs, plugin issues
>> etc.  Various Linux distros have older versions of openjdk too btw
>> depending on their update strategy, so unless you want to
>> immediately move to their latest release for a fix in openjdk you
>> would get those yourself.  Free/unfree OS doesn't play into it
>> either way.
> Well, maybe.  From my perspective, before OpenJDK was installed by
> default on the OS things were just a mess.  There would be any number
> of random JVMs installed, and if something didn't work, perhaps
> because of some configuration error or whatnot, yet another JRE would
> be installed.  And God help you if you needed a security update.
Any given security update and how it is applied depends on context. Some 
security updates don't impact a given application. It all depends on how 
it is used. For instance, a stand alone desktop application not loading 
remote code and not running in a browser isn't affected by any numerous 
numbers of issues as something else may be.
>> As it relates to bundling a particular version of a runtime with
>> your software, whether it openjdk, python, perl, etc many do it. The
>> same with statically linking C/C++ libraries into ones application
>> or distributing shareable libraries in their own folder which gets
>> prepended to the search path as to not be influenced by other
>> applications.
> Well, yes.  And God help you if you need a security update.  For this
> reason alone shipping versions of standard libraries is a disaster.
This too depends on context and if the code is used in situations where 
it can be compromised or not. All kinds of various issues can be at 
play. Depends on update strategies as well.
>> In consumer software there is nothing much more frustrating than
>> trying to debug various updates to a 3rd party system which is only
>> affecting certain groups of ones users since they could modify a
>> specific component of the system you have designed or pieced
>> together with a single click of an update reminder. It is all about
>> time and money.
>>
>> It comes down to a simple reality. Users don't care nor have the
>> understanding as to why JRE or JDK 1.6_u19 versus 1.6_u21 causes an
>> issue in some "unrelated" software. I know it isn't necessarily
>> unrelated, but try explaining to an arbitrary K-12 teacher why another
>> software vendor told them they had to upgrade to a different version of
>> the JRE/JDK and it broke another application or vice versa.
> Well, yes.  An arbitrary K-12 teacher is exactly the kind of person
> who shouldn't be installing JREs.  Did I mention security updates?
No but they could certainly be installing a software package which isn't 
part of an OS update. Depends on the school, funding, user permissions, 
home schooling, etc and so forth. Everything isn't a large scale 
solution, and in my opinion, it shouldn't be. Users and system 
administrators should have to know that application X requires this JVM 
and application Y requires this one in all cases. It depends on the 
organization as well as update strategy.

At one of my businesses, considering the network etc and the required 
uptime requirements of some applications, updates are not just something 
I want done automatically, nor do I have the resources for a giant roll 
out. Updates are tested on one machine, and if successful, then this is 
done across the board, and this for various applications; across the 
board is only a hand full of machines. There is no large management 
software in play.
> We have moved on such a long way since OpenJDK was released.  When we
> find things that don't work in, say, Fedora, we can build and
> distribute OpenJDK releases in a reasonably organized way.  But it's
> not instant, and if people still want to do things the old way, that's
> up to them, of course.
>
>> I have experienced that from both sides. So, one of their vendors has to
>> get in an upgrade before they are happy, and they are upset at both.
>> Segregate those things so they are only a component of your designed
>> system, and you don't have to deal with such things. What you tested is
>> what you have running. Yes, OS updates etc can still cause issues, but
>> at least one can minimise those changes.
>>
>> It is what RedHat does with their professional JBoss offerings and
>> Apache. It makes it a turn key solution.
> Well, that's a bit different.  You're talking about organizations with
> enterprise-scale build and distribution networks who can automagically
> update those components when they need to.  They certainly don't need
> to grab pre-built binaries from anywhere.
>
>

Depends. That doesn't have to be the case; enterprise-scale build and 
dist networks. For any given platform and any given installer a packaged 
prebuilt binary can be included easily enough. Getting all the 
sub-components and building ones own JVM isn't exactly something someone 
writing business logic to use a JVM should be worried about doing unless 
they specifically want or need to. Nothing keeps a developer or a 
"small" company from having an automatic update in place which downloads 
the required pieces from a start up web site which has yet to need to 
scale up and installing them per user alert and action. That could be a 
new JVM for the installed platform or anything. But, that JVM would be 
tested with their software package at a minimum, and any update roll out 
priority would take security updates into consideration.

I feel we are approaching this discussion from two different angles: 
large scale enterprise versus small business and individual users; 
commercial enterprise versus commercial consumer software. I'm arguing 
the large scale enterprise approach excludes a lot of developers in 
various ways.

Thanks for the dialect,

Wade

-- 

=================
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Software Engineer and Consultant
NetBeans Contributor
NetBeans Dream Team Member

wadechandler.com
netbeans.org



From aph at redhat.com  Wed Feb 22 18:38:31 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:38:31 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On 02/22/2012 05:18 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> On 02/21/2012 01:42 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 02/21/2012 05:07 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>> On 02/17/2012 04:38 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:

>>>> OpenJDK is installed as the default in every free OS, as far as I
>>>> know.  I don't know much about proprietary operating systems, but
>>>> I presume people download proprietary binaries from Oracle.  So,
>>>> I presume you're talking about some group of people who don't
>>>> want to use the proprietary binaries for some reason but instead
>>>> want to use OpenJDK.  And not just OpenJDK, but a particular
>>>> version of it, because their software is dependent on that
>>>> version.

> I should have added here, yes, exactly, people who want to include 
> OpenJDK as part of their solution. Too, those don't have to be folks 
> writing large scale enterprise applications. They can be custom desktop 
> or small scale network applications.

OK.

>>> Per various differences, people download the Oracle JVM for Linux
>>> and Windows to build on top of it; different bugs, plugin issues
>>> etc.  Various Linux distros have older versions of openjdk too btw
>>> depending on their update strategy, so unless you want to
>>> immediately move to their latest release for a fix in openjdk you
>>> would get those yourself.  Free/unfree OS doesn't play into it
>>> either way.

>> Well, maybe.  From my perspective, before OpenJDK was installed by
>> default on the OS things were just a mess.  There would be any number
>> of random JVMs installed, and if something didn't work, perhaps
>> because of some configuration error or whatnot, yet another JRE would
>> be installed.  And God help you if you needed a security update.

> Any given security update and how it is applied depends on
> context. Some security updates don't impact a given application. It
> all depends on how it is used. For instance, a stand alone desktop
> application not loading remote code and not running in a browser
> isn't affected by any numerous numbers of issues as something else
> may be.

OK, so we're OK iff the application is not security sensitive.  That
cuts out a lot of Java applications, but I'll go with that.

>>> As it relates to bundling a particular version of a runtime with
>>> your software, whether it openjdk, python, perl, etc many do it. The
>>> same with statically linking C/C++ libraries into ones application
>>> or distributing shareable libraries in their own folder which gets
>>> prepended to the search path as to not be influenced by other
>>> applications.

>> Well, yes.  And God help you if you need a security update.  For this
>> reason alone shipping versions of standard libraries is a disaster.

> This too depends on context and if the code is used in situations where 
> it can be compromised or not. All kinds of various issues can be at 
> play. Depends on update strategies as well.

Fair enough, as above.

>>> In consumer software there is nothing much more frustrating than
>>> trying to debug various updates to a 3rd party system which is only
>>> affecting certain groups of ones users since they could modify a
>>> specific component of the system you have designed or pieced
>>> together with a single click of an update reminder. It is all about
>>> time and money.
>>>
>>> It comes down to a simple reality. Users don't care nor have the
>>> understanding as to why JRE or JDK 1.6_u19 versus 1.6_u21 causes an
>>> issue in some "unrelated" software. I know it isn't necessarily
>>> unrelated, but try explaining to an arbitrary K-12 teacher why another
>>> software vendor told them they had to upgrade to a different version of
>>> the JRE/JDK and it broke another application or vice versa.

>> Well, yes.  An arbitrary K-12 teacher is exactly the kind of person
>> who shouldn't be installing JREs.  Did I mention security updates?

> No but they could certainly be installing a software package which
> isn't part of an OS update. Depends on the school, funding, user
> permissions, home schooling, etc and so forth. Everything isn't a
> large scale solution, and in my opinion, it shouldn't be. Users and
> system administrators should have to know that application X
> requires this JVM and application Y requires this one in all
> cases. It depends on the organization as well as update strategy.
>
> At one of my businesses, considering the network etc and the
> required uptime requirements of some applications, updates are not
> just something I want done automatically, nor do I have the
> resources for a giant roll out. Updates are tested on one machine,
> and if successful, then this is done across the board, and this for
> various applications; across the board is only a hand full of
> machines. There is no large management software in play.

OK, so you have a properly managed update strategy, with someone whose
job it is to handle updates.  I'm not sure how this is going to work
if you just downloaded a binary from the Community OpenJDK site,
though.  I suppose it is possible that such a site has the people and
infrastructure to handle the update process, just like the GNU/Linux
distros do.  Effectively they'd *be* a distro, but an OpenJDK distro,
not a full system.

>>> I have experienced that from both sides. So, one of their vendors has to
>>> get in an upgrade before they are happy, and they are upset at both.
>>> Segregate those things so they are only a component of your designed
>>> system, and you don't have to deal with such things. What you tested is
>>> what you have running. Yes, OS updates etc can still cause issues, but
>>> at least one can minimise those changes.
>>
>>> It is what RedHat does with their professional JBoss offerings and
>>> Apache. It makes it a turn key solution.
>>
>> Well, that's a bit different.  You're talking about organizations with
>> enterprise-scale build and distribution networks who can automagically
>> update those components when they need to.  They certainly don't need
>> to grab pre-built binaries from anywhere.
> 
> Depends. That doesn't have to be the case; enterprise-scale build
> and dist networks. For any given platform and any given installer a
> packaged prebuilt binary can be included easily enough. Getting all
> the sub-components and building ones own JVM isn't exactly something
> someone writing business logic to use a JVM should be worried about
> doing unless they specifically want or need to.

Absolutely not, no.  And grabbing binaries that are not fully
supported from a web site isn't something that they should be doing
either.

IMO this can work if the site that hosts the builds (or its
volunteers) does full testing and update support on the binaries they
host.  Otherwise, people shouldn't use those binaries.  Sure, it'll be
fine for experimentation.

> I feel we are approaching this discussion from two different angles:
> large scale enterprise versus small business and individual users;
> commercial enterprise versus commercial consumer software. I'm
> arguing the large scale enterprise approach excludes a lot of
> developers in various ways.

If there were a proposal on the table for a site that hosted fully
tested, TCKd and supported binaries built from OpenJDK, and had the
infrastructure to do updates where needed, that might make some sense.
Otherwise, you're just adding risk.

Consider, for example, the situation where a security flaw was found
that affected the last N OpenJDK releases.  This site supports
versions of OpenJDK going back M releases, so you now have to do
max(N,M) patching and rebuild cycles.  Either that, or you leave
binaries with a known security hole on the site, which would be
criminal.  So what would you do?

Andrew.


From iris.clark at oracle.com  Wed Feb 22 20:39:47 2012
From: iris.clark at oracle.com (Iris Clark)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:39:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bug System:  Brief update
Message-ID: <49c6dc74-5d26-4eb9-aa0e-896ece588f37@default>

Hi.

Sorry you haven't heard from me in the past couple of weeks.   I was temporarily sidetracked.

The next revision of the DRAFT[1] will be out soon.  I'll update the discussion timeline at that point.

Thanks,
iris

[1] http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~iris/jira/JIRAforOpenJDK.html


From henri.gomez at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 20:52:59 2012
From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:52:59 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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Hi to all

I follow this thread for some time now and I'm wondering if OpenJDK 7
is not a candidate for multi-OS (Windows, Solaris, Linux, BSD, OSX)
and Linux cross distributions package and deliver initiative.

It's something already available for VirtualBox for example, why not
doing the same for it ?


2012/2/22 Andrew Haley <aph at redhat.com>:
> On 02/22/2012 05:18 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>> On 02/21/2012 01:42 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> On 02/21/2012 05:07 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>> On 02/17/2012 04:38 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>
>>>>> OpenJDK is installed as the default in every free OS, as far as I
>>>>> know. ?I don't know much about proprietary operating systems, but
>>>>> I presume people download proprietary binaries from Oracle. ?So,
>>>>> I presume you're talking about some group of people who don't
>>>>> want to use the proprietary binaries for some reason but instead
>>>>> want to use OpenJDK. ?And not just OpenJDK, but a particular
>>>>> version of it, because their software is dependent on that
>>>>> version.
>
>> I should have added here, yes, exactly, people who want to include
>> OpenJDK as part of their solution. Too, those don't have to be folks
>> writing large scale enterprise applications. They can be custom desktop
>> or small scale network applications.
>
> OK.
>
>>>> Per various differences, people download the Oracle JVM for Linux
>>>> and Windows to build on top of it; different bugs, plugin issues
>>>> etc. ?Various Linux distros have older versions of openjdk too btw
>>>> depending on their update strategy, so unless you want to
>>>> immediately move to their latest release for a fix in openjdk you
>>>> would get those yourself. ?Free/unfree OS doesn't play into it
>>>> either way.
>
>>> Well, maybe. ?From my perspective, before OpenJDK was installed by
>>> default on the OS things were just a mess. ?There would be any number
>>> of random JVMs installed, and if something didn't work, perhaps
>>> because of some configuration error or whatnot, yet another JRE would
>>> be installed. ?And God help you if you needed a security update.
>
>> Any given security update and how it is applied depends on
>> context. Some security updates don't impact a given application. It
>> all depends on how it is used. For instance, a stand alone desktop
>> application not loading remote code and not running in a browser
>> isn't affected by any numerous numbers of issues as something else
>> may be.
>
> OK, so we're OK iff the application is not security sensitive. ?That
> cuts out a lot of Java applications, but I'll go with that.
>
>>>> As it relates to bundling a particular version of a runtime with
>>>> your software, whether it openjdk, python, perl, etc many do it. The
>>>> same with statically linking C/C++ libraries into ones application
>>>> or distributing shareable libraries in their own folder which gets
>>>> prepended to the search path as to not be influenced by other
>>>> applications.
>
>>> Well, yes. ?And God help you if you need a security update. ?For this
>>> reason alone shipping versions of standard libraries is a disaster.
>
>> This too depends on context and if the code is used in situations where
>> it can be compromised or not. All kinds of various issues can be at
>> play. Depends on update strategies as well.
>
> Fair enough, as above.
>
>>>> In consumer software there is nothing much more frustrating than
>>>> trying to debug various updates to a 3rd party system which is only
>>>> affecting certain groups of ones users since they could modify a
>>>> specific component of the system you have designed or pieced
>>>> together with a single click of an update reminder. It is all about
>>>> time and money.
>>>>
>>>> It comes down to a simple reality. Users don't care nor have the
>>>> understanding as to why JRE or JDK 1.6_u19 versus 1.6_u21 causes an
>>>> issue in some "unrelated" software. I know it isn't necessarily
>>>> unrelated, but try explaining to an arbitrary K-12 teacher why another
>>>> software vendor told them they had to upgrade to a different version of
>>>> the JRE/JDK and it broke another application or vice versa.
>
>>> Well, yes. ?An arbitrary K-12 teacher is exactly the kind of person
>>> who shouldn't be installing JREs. ?Did I mention security updates?
>
>> No but they could certainly be installing a software package which
>> isn't part of an OS update. Depends on the school, funding, user
>> permissions, home schooling, etc and so forth. Everything isn't a
>> large scale solution, and in my opinion, it shouldn't be. Users and
>> system administrators should have to know that application X
>> requires this JVM and application Y requires this one in all
>> cases. It depends on the organization as well as update strategy.
>>
>> At one of my businesses, considering the network etc and the
>> required uptime requirements of some applications, updates are not
>> just something I want done automatically, nor do I have the
>> resources for a giant roll out. Updates are tested on one machine,
>> and if successful, then this is done across the board, and this for
>> various applications; across the board is only a hand full of
>> machines. There is no large management software in play.
>
> OK, so you have a properly managed update strategy, with someone whose
> job it is to handle updates. ?I'm not sure how this is going to work
> if you just downloaded a binary from the Community OpenJDK site,
> though. ?I suppose it is possible that such a site has the people and
> infrastructure to handle the update process, just like the GNU/Linux
> distros do. ?Effectively they'd *be* a distro, but an OpenJDK distro,
> not a full system.
>
>>>> I have experienced that from both sides. So, one of their vendors has to
>>>> get in an upgrade before they are happy, and they are upset at both.
>>>> Segregate those things so they are only a component of your designed
>>>> system, and you don't have to deal with such things. What you tested is
>>>> what you have running. Yes, OS updates etc can still cause issues, but
>>>> at least one can minimise those changes.
>>>
>>>> It is what RedHat does with their professional JBoss offerings and
>>>> Apache. It makes it a turn key solution.
>>>
>>> Well, that's a bit different. ?You're talking about organizations with
>>> enterprise-scale build and distribution networks who can automagically
>>> update those components when they need to. ?They certainly don't need
>>> to grab pre-built binaries from anywhere.
>>
>> Depends. That doesn't have to be the case; enterprise-scale build
>> and dist networks. For any given platform and any given installer a
>> packaged prebuilt binary can be included easily enough. Getting all
>> the sub-components and building ones own JVM isn't exactly something
>> someone writing business logic to use a JVM should be worried about
>> doing unless they specifically want or need to.
>
> Absolutely not, no. ?And grabbing binaries that are not fully
> supported from a web site isn't something that they should be doing
> either.
>
> IMO this can work if the site that hosts the builds (or its
> volunteers) does full testing and update support on the binaries they
> host. ?Otherwise, people shouldn't use those binaries. ?Sure, it'll be
> fine for experimentation.
>
>> I feel we are approaching this discussion from two different angles:
>> large scale enterprise versus small business and individual users;
>> commercial enterprise versus commercial consumer software. I'm
>> arguing the large scale enterprise approach excludes a lot of
>> developers in various ways.
>
> If there were a proposal on the table for a site that hosted fully
> tested, TCKd and supported binaries built from OpenJDK, and had the
> infrastructure to do updates where needed, that might make some sense.
> Otherwise, you're just adding risk.
>
> Consider, for example, the situation where a security flaw was found
> that affected the last N OpenJDK releases. ?This site supports
> versions of OpenJDK going back M releases, so you now have to do
> max(N,M) patching and rebuild cycles. ?Either that, or you leave
> binaries with a known security hole on the site, which would be
> criminal. ?So what would you do?
>
> Andrew.


From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 23 04:09:48 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:09:48 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F453627.7000001@redhat.com>
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Thanks for all the communication Andrew.

On 02/22/2012 01:38 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 02/22/2012 05:18 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> Depends. That doesn't have to be the case; enterprise-scale build
> and dist networks. For any given platform and any given installer a
> packaged prebuilt binary can be included easily enough. Getting all
> the sub-components and building ones own JVM isn't exactly something
> someone writing business logic to use a JVM should be worried about
> doing unless they specifically want or need to.
> Absolutely not, no.  And grabbing binaries that are not fully
> supported from a web site isn't something that they should be doing
> either.
>
> IMO this can work if the site that hosts the builds (or its
> volunteers) does full testing and update support on the binaries they
> host.  Otherwise, people shouldn't use those binaries.  Sure, it'll be
> fine for experimentation.
Isn't this what we do with Netty, Spring, Tomcat, JBoss, GlassFish, 
Eclipse, NetBeans, and many other open source projects? Not trying to be 
smart, really wondering what the difference is. Perhaps it is just 
related to the TCK and whether it is considered Java. Is that the deal? 
I talk about that below.
>> I feel we are approaching this discussion from two different angles:
>> large scale enterprise versus small business and individual users;
>> commercial enterprise versus commercial consumer software. I'm
>> arguing the large scale enterprise approach excludes a lot of
>> developers in various ways.
> If there were a proposal on the table for a site that hosted fully
> tested, TCKd and supported binaries built from OpenJDK, and had the
> infrastructure to do updates where needed, that might make some sense.
> Otherwise, you're just adding risk.
>
> Consider, for example, the situation where a security flaw was found
> that affected the last N OpenJDK releases.  This site supports
> versions of OpenJDK going back M releases, so you now have to do
> max(N,M) patching and rebuild cycles.  Either that, or you leave
> binaries with a known security hole on the site, which would be
> criminal.  So what would you do?
>

I think this part tells me a lot that I haven't understood about 
OpenJDK, or at least I think I understand it, and you can correct me if not.

Essentially OpenJDK generally has an expectation of casual use and not 
production use depending on who one gets a build from per se; even from 
the OpenJDK project itself. It being a component in free OSs means it 
depends on the free OS, or commercial ones for that matter, as to 
whether some "licensed" TCK, has been run on it or not. So, there is no 
guarantee unless directly from say Canonical, Novell, Red Hat, etc that 
the version of OpenJDK one is using in a Linux distro is actually 
production quality. It may very well be a Linux distro is distributing a 
completely untested OpenJDK which just happens to pass the build which 
has some minimal guarantee it works, but will fail in many cases one 
wishes to run a Java application.

Perhaps this is being done for Fedora. I was under the impression from 
the recent push, or at least perceived push, from Oracle to get folks 
using the OpenJDK and not their builds distributed within an operating 
system that OpenJDK was going to become the new defacto standard and it 
would (and really thought was) having TCK run on that code. That doesn't 
mean something someone has modified for their distribution per se, but 
that any OpenJDK hosted and sanctioned build was actually being 
thoroughly tested; as it relates to the Java standard that is.

Being open source, and outside of the TCK, I kind of just expect unit 
and integration tests along with community testing much like other 
projects. Perhaps I'm missing some things here though, and I imagine I 
certainly am.

As it relates to keeping old binaries, I think older versions would be 
kept. It is exactly what Oracle does with the JRE/JDK. I don't think it 
is criminal. I think if you don't have information about what each 
release address then it is bad; again, I think a security bug severity 
is determined whether the code is used and too who it is used; some bugs 
only affect shared containers, others remote code, some native items, 
and others images ... They have a disclaimer that all those builds 
should not be used in production environments of course. However, I'm 
not thinking that a company, once it has its binary artifacts for its 
builds, would be coming back to OpenJDK and getting those time and time 
again.

More like, those binaries would be available on OpenJDK for a window in 
time, and even if not the exact version at product release time as 
inception, close enough for their development window, i.e. it wouldn't 
be a significant change necessarily, and after they have gotten a 
version they are going to distribute with, they will distribute it until 
they upgrade their own distributed copy based on their own tests 
functional and security per their domain.

Thanks again,

Wade

-- 

=================
Wade Chandler

Software Engineer and Consultant
NetBeans Contributor
NetBeans Dream Team Member

wadechandler.com
netbeans.org



From denisl at openscg.com  Thu Feb 23 04:35:45 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:35:45 -0800
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Wade Chandler <
hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com> wrote:

> As it relates to keeping old binaries, I think older versions would be
> kept. It is exactly what Oracle does with the JRE/JDK. I don't think it is
> criminal. I think if you don't have information about what each release
> address then it is bad; again, I think a security bug severity is
> determined whether the code is used and too who it is used; some bugs only
> affect shared containers, others remote code, some native items, and others
> images ... They have a disclaimer that all those builds should not be used
> in production environments of course. However, I'm not thinking that a
> company, once it has its binary artifacts for its builds, would be coming
> back to OpenJDK and getting those time and time again.
>
> More like, those binaries would be available on OpenJDK for a window in
> time, and even if not the exact version at product release time as
> inception, close enough for their development window, i.e. it wouldn't be a
> significant change necessarily, and after they have gotten a version they
> are going to distribute with, they will distribute it until they upgrade
> their own distributed copy based on their own tests functional and security
> per their domain.
>
>
I agree with Wade.   This is why for the last two plus years OpenSCG.org
has been creating and distributing OpenJDK 6 Linux Binaries that work
across all flavors of Linux without requiring root to install or messing in
any way with the operating system.   Just set $JAVA_HOME and away you
go....  Same way as the BIN packaging for Oracle's commercial JDK.   One
size does NOT fit all.  Do not get me wrong, I think making OpenJDK/IcedTea
a hardened part of Enterprise Linux Distro's is a great thing also.

I don't consider it a crime if users don't upgrade to the latest version, I
consider it their choice and their decision.   OpenSCG doesn't run the TCK
tests, but, our binaries have been used by many folks for several years and
I've never had a problem reported in Linux (after my first few builds).
Note that OpenSCG's OpenJDK6 Windoze Binaries are sometimes problematic
when used with older version of Eclipse.


From aph at redhat.com  Thu Feb 23 10:09:53 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:09:53 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On 02/23/2012 04:09 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> Thanks for all the communication Andrew.
> 
> On 02/22/2012 01:38 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 02/22/2012 05:18 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>> Depends. That doesn't have to be the case; enterprise-scale build
>> and dist networks. For any given platform and any given installer a
>> packaged prebuilt binary can be included easily enough. Getting all
>> the sub-components and building ones own JVM isn't exactly something
>> someone writing business logic to use a JVM should be worried about
>> doing unless they specifically want or need to.
>> Absolutely not, no.  And grabbing binaries that are not fully
>> supported from a web site isn't something that they should be doing
>> either.
>>
>> IMO this can work if the site that hosts the builds (or its
>> volunteers) does full testing and update support on the binaries they
>> host.  Otherwise, people shouldn't use those binaries.  Sure, it'll be
>> fine for experimentation.
> Isn't this what we do with Netty, Spring, Tomcat, JBoss, GlassFish, 
> Eclipse, NetBeans, and many other open source projects? Not trying to be 
> smart, really wondering what the difference is. Perhaps it is just 
> related to the TCK and whether it is considered Java. Is that the deal? 
> I talk about that below.

I think that Java is much more important and much more critical than
any of these things,  Also, a build of OpenJDK depends on a lot of
components.  A problem in any of these build-time dependencies can
break OpenJDK.  I don't think that's as likely in a pure Java project.

>> Consider, for example, the situation where a security flaw was found
>> that affected the last N OpenJDK releases.  This site supports
>> versions of OpenJDK going back M releases, so you now have to do
>> max(N,M) patching and rebuild cycles.  Either that, or you leave
>> binaries with a known security hole on the site, which would be
>> criminal.  So what would you do?
>>
> 
> I think this part tells me a lot that I haven't understood about 
> OpenJDK, or at least I think I understand it, and you can correct me if not.
> 
> Essentially OpenJDK generally has an expectation of casual use and not 
> production use depending on who one gets a build from per se; even from 
> the OpenJDK project itself.

Well, not exactly, but that depends on how well-tested it has been.

> It being a component in free OSs means it depends on the free OS, or
> commercial ones for that matter, as to whether some "licensed" TCK,
> has been run on it or not. So, there is no guarantee unless directly
> from say Canonical, Novell, Red Hat, etc that the version of OpenJDK
> one is using in a Linux distro is actually production quality.

Correct.  Unless extensive testing has been done, it's not production
quality.

> It may very well be a Linux distro is distributing a completely
> untested OpenJDK which just happens to pass the build which has some
> minimal guarantee it works, but will fail in many cases one wishes
> to run a Java application.

I hope not, but it's possible.  We still sometimes see failures with
real applications on fully tested builds.  It's unusual, but it
happens.

> Perhaps this is being done for Fedora. I was under the impression
> from the recent push, or at least perceived push, from Oracle to get
> folks using the OpenJDK and not their builds distributed within an
> operating system

I don't understand.  OpenJDK is distributed within an OS.  Where did
they say this?

> that OpenJDK was going to become the new defacto standard and it
> would (and really thought was) having TCK run on that code.

The TCK is run on a build.  It's up to whoever provided the build to
do that.  Unfortunately, it's possible to break Java if there's
something wrong (or different) with the environment in which it's run
from the one in which it was tested.  A Java that's built and tested
with the distro makes this much easier to control.

> That doesn't mean something someone has modified for their
> distribution per se, but that any OpenJDK hosted and sanctioned
> build was actually being thoroughly tested; as it relates to the
> Java standard that is.
> 
> Being open source, and outside of the TCK, I kind of just expect unit 
> and integration tests along with community testing much like other 
> projects. Perhaps I'm missing some things here though, and I imagine I 
> certainly am.

It'd be nice.  I don't know what the non-Fedora distros do.

Andrew.


From aph at redhat.com  Thu Feb 23 10:10:46 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:10:46 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVWThiqkL8iQxMPhMdtM6HwpGcEYoAGF+uy7Vj+=7aQspA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4F43CF3E.5050507@yahoo.com> <4F43E58C.20905@redhat.com>
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Message-ID: <4F4610A6.4040406@redhat.com>

On 02/23/2012 04:35 AM, Lussier, Denis wrote:
> I don't consider it a crime if users don't upgrade to the latest version, I
> consider it their choice and their decision.

Of course, I don't consider that a crime either.

Andrew.


From aph at redhat.com  Thu Feb 23 10:13:48 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:13:48 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F45BC0C.2080303@yahoo.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4F45BC0C.2080303@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F46115C.2020007@redhat.com>

On 02/23/2012 04:09 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> As it relates to keeping old binaries, I think older versions would be 
> kept. It is exactly what Oracle does with the JRE/JDK. I don't think it 
> is criminal. I think if you don't have information about what each 
> release address then it is bad; again, I think a security bug severity 
> is determined whether the code is used and too who it is used

It would be acceptable iff a big red box popped up at the point
of download to warn people that this was an unsupported and
possibly risky binary.  Caveat emptor; fair enough.

Andrew.


From openjdk at gatworks.com  Thu Feb 23 12:21:04 2012
From: openjdk at gatworks.com (Uncle George)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:21:04 -0500
Subject: building under netbeans
Message-ID: <4F462F30.9040804@gatworks.com>

The description under this web page for using netbeans

> http://openjdk.java.net/groups/nb-projects/

suggests that I read the README for further details on how to setup 
netbeans to work with openjdk.
> - Set the properties in the Properties panel under Tool> Options> Ant.
>   Properties set this way will apply globally to all the langtools
>   repositories you may be working on.
>
> - Create a file build.properties in the root directory of a
>   langtools repository, and set the properties in that file.
>   These properties will be specific to that repository.
>
What properties am I to set, and to what values?
BTW; is now tools->options->misc->ant



How does one import all the OPENJDK files into netbeans, or point ant to 
the src repository.





From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 23 13:53:38 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:53:38 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F461071.7010606@redhat.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com> <4F3A657E.8040101@oracle.com>
	<4F3D6DD4.9030606@yahoo.com> <4F3E2023.7040605@redhat.com>
	<4F43CF3E.5050507@yahoo.com> <4F43E58C.20905@redhat.com>
	<4F45235A.2090802@yahoo.com> <4F453627.7000001@redhat.com>
	<4F45BC0C.2080303@yahoo.com> <4F461071.7010606@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4F4644E2.7070801@yahoo.com>

Forgot to send to list before...

On 02/23/2012 05:09 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 02/23/2012 04:09 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>> Perhaps this is being done for Fedora. I was under the impression
>> from the recent push, or at least perceived push, from Oracle to get
>> folks using the OpenJDK and not their builds distributed within an
>> operating system
> I don't understand.  OpenJDK is distributed within an OS.  Where did
> they say this?
>
Here I'm specifically referring to the EOL of the OS bundle license for 
the Sun/Oracle distributed runtimes. For instance, on Ubuntu now, one 
needs to go get the Oracle version specifically from them versus it 
being able to be installed from the Ubuntu software center.

Thanks,

Wade

-- 

=================
Wade Chandler

Software Engineer and Consultant
NetBeans Contributor
NetBeans Dream Team Member

wadechandler.com
netbeans.org



From aph at redhat.com  Thu Feb 23 15:56:44 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:56:44 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F4644E2.7070801@yahoo.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com> <4F3A657E.8040101@oracle.com>
	<4F3D6DD4.9030606@yahoo.com> <4F3E2023.7040605@redhat.com>
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	<4F45235A.2090802@yahoo.com> <4F453627.7000001@redhat.com>
	<4F45BC0C.2080303@yahoo.com> <4F461071.7010606@redhat.com>
	<4F4644E2.7070801@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F4661BC.90308@redhat.com>

On 02/23/2012 01:53 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> Forgot to send to list before...
> 
> On 02/23/2012 05:09 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 02/23/2012 04:09 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>> Perhaps this is being done for Fedora. I was under the impression
>>> from the recent push, or at least perceived push, from Oracle to get
>>> folks using the OpenJDK and not their builds distributed within an
>>> operating system
>> I don't understand.  OpenJDK is distributed within an OS.  Where did
>> they say this?
>>
> Here I'm specifically referring to the EOL of the OS bundle license for 
> the Sun/Oracle distributed runtimes. For instance, on Ubuntu now, one 
> needs to go get the Oracle version specifically from them versus it 
> being able to be installed from the Ubuntu software center.

You're not really explaining this very well.  Why would the EOL of
JDK 6 have any bearing on this?

Andrew.



From frans at meruvian.org  Thu Feb 23 20:46:46 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 03:46:46 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
Message-ID: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>

hi all

just want to followup

what will happen to OpenJDK world, esp the binary..

the OpenJDK Windows binary will be an interesting topic :)

I love Denis work in the OpenJDK.. is it possible?

or the model , binary outside the OpenJDK?


F


From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 24 02:21:59 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:21:59 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F4661BC.90308@redhat.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com> <4F3A657E.8040101@oracle.com>
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	<4F4644E2.7070801@yahoo.com> <4F4661BC.90308@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4F46F447.7050909@yahoo.com>

On 02/23/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 02/23/2012 01:53 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>> Forgot to send to list before...
>>
>> On 02/23/2012 05:09 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> On 02/23/2012 04:09 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>> Perhaps this is being done for Fedora. I was under the impression
>>>> from the recent push, or at least perceived push, from Oracle to get
>>>> folks using the OpenJDK and not their builds distributed within an
>>>> operating system
>>> I don't understand.  OpenJDK is distributed within an OS.  Where did
>>> they say this?
>>>
>> Here I'm specifically referring to the EOL of the OS bundle license for
>> the Sun/Oracle distributed runtimes. For instance, on Ubuntu now, one
>> needs to go get the Oracle version specifically from them versus it
>> being able to be installed from the Ubuntu software center.
> You're not really explaining this very well.  Why would the EOL of
> JDK 6 have any bearing on this?
>
> Andrew.
>

I'm not referring to an EOL of Java 6. What I'm referring to is an EOL 
of allowing operating system providers to provide Oracles JRE/JDK in 
operating systems. That forces Linux distros to distribute OpenJDK only 
and users to get Oracle JDK 7,8,etc on their own if there is to be such 
a thing and obviously depending on its price. So, if Windows computer 
manufacturers would like to distribute a JDK, it will have to be 
OpenJDK. If not, then users have to get it on their own. This has 
various implications for Applets and Web Start in my opinion considering 
my new perceived understanding of OpenJDK, TCK, and what operating 
systems are distributing. That seems to have various implications for 
how successful JavaFX2.0 will be as well. I have no idea how all this is 
going to turn out, just along for the ride, but certainly a lot to 
ponder right now.

Perhaps there are other license deals in the works for Apple and Windows 
distribution and much isn't going to change, but I have a feeling it is 
from what I have read (my only window into this issue).

Anyways, I use Ubuntu daily, and my thoughts on this come from:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/java-to-be-removed-from-ubuntu-uninstalled-from-user-machines/
https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the

Please admonish me and especially them if it is wrong.

Thanks,

Wade

-- 

=================
Wade Chandler

Software Engineer and Consultant
NetBeans Contributor
NetBeans Dream Team Member

wadechandler.com
netbeans.org



From frans at meruvian.org  Fri Feb 24 02:52:42 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:52:42 +0700
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F46F447.7050909@yahoo.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4F45BC0C.2080303@yahoo.com> <4F461071.7010606@redhat.com>
	<4F4644E2.7070801@yahoo.com> <4F4661BC.90308@redhat.com>
	<4F46F447.7050909@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyrcnuVYCqgZB=XsNvOnQSpjkwqio9T=uB5C2Zo03AQESA@mail.gmail.com>

Sound discussion betwweem wade and andrew are cool.

Why dont both of u become comitee in community way.

We decide what will we do. Rather wait oracle.
On Feb 24, 2012 9:22 AM, "Wade Chandler" <hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On 02/23/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>
>> On 02/23/2012 01:53 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to send to list before...
>>>
>>> On 02/23/2012 05:09 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/23/2012 04:09 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps this is being done for Fedora. I was under the impression
>>>>> from the recent push, or at least perceived push, from Oracle to get
>>>>> folks using the OpenJDK and not their builds distributed within an
>>>>> operating system
>>>>>
>>>> I don't understand.  OpenJDK is distributed within an OS.  Where did
>>>> they say this?
>>>>
>>>>  Here I'm specifically referring to the EOL of the OS bundle license for
>>> the Sun/Oracle distributed runtimes. For instance, on Ubuntu now, one
>>> needs to go get the Oracle version specifically from them versus it
>>> being able to be installed from the Ubuntu software center.
>>>
>> You're not really explaining this very well.  Why would the EOL of
>> JDK 6 have any bearing on this?
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>>
> I'm not referring to an EOL of Java 6. What I'm referring to is an EOL of
> allowing operating system providers to provide Oracles JRE/JDK in operating
> systems. That forces Linux distros to distribute OpenJDK only and users to
> get Oracle JDK 7,8,etc on their own if there is to be such a thing and
> obviously depending on its price. So, if Windows computer manufacturers
> would like to distribute a JDK, it will have to be OpenJDK. If not, then
> users have to get it on their own. This has various implications for
> Applets and Web Start in my opinion considering my new perceived
> understanding of OpenJDK, TCK, and what operating systems are distributing.
> That seems to have various implications for how successful JavaFX2.0 will
> be as well. I have no idea how all this is going to turn out, just along
> for the ride, but certainly a lot to ponder right now.
>
> Perhaps there are other license deals in the works for Apple and Windows
> distribution and much isn't going to change, but I have a feeling it is
> from what I have read (my only window into this issue).
>
> Anyways, I use Ubuntu daily, and my thoughts on this come from:
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/**2011/12/java-to-be-removed-**
> from-ubuntu-uninstalled-from-**user-machines/<http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/java-to-be-removed-from-ubuntu-uninstalled-from-user-machines/>
> https://blogs.oracle.com/**henrik/entry/moving_to_**openjdk_as_the<https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the>
>
> Please admonish me and especially them if it is wrong.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wade
>
> --
>
> =================
> Wade Chandler
>
> Software Engineer and Consultant
> NetBeans Contributor
> NetBeans Dream Team Member
>
> wadechandler.com
> netbeans.org
>
>


From aph at redhat.com  Fri Feb 24 09:20:19 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:20:19 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F46F447.7050909@yahoo.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F3A4E45.3050802@oracle.com> <4F3A657E.8040101@oracle.com>
	<4F3D6DD4.9030606@yahoo.com> <4F3E2023.7040605@redhat.com>
	<4F43CF3E.5050507@yahoo.com> <4F43E58C.20905@redhat.com>
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	<4F45BC0C.2080303@yahoo.com> <4F461071.7010606@redhat.com>
	<4F4644E2.7070801@yahoo.com> <4F4661BC.90308@redhat.com>
	<4F46F447.7050909@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F475653.5000007@redhat.com>

On 02/24/2012 02:21 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> On 02/23/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 02/23/2012 01:53 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>> Forgot to send to list before...
>>>
>>> On 02/23/2012 05:09 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>>> On 02/23/2012 04:09 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps this is being done for Fedora. I was under the impression
>>>>> from the recent push, or at least perceived push, from Oracle to get
>>>>> folks using the OpenJDK and not their builds distributed within an
>>>>> operating system
>>>> I don't understand.  OpenJDK is distributed within an OS.  Where did
>>>> they say this?
>>>>
>>> Here I'm specifically referring to the EOL of the OS bundle license for
>>> the Sun/Oracle distributed runtimes. For instance, on Ubuntu now, one
>>> needs to go get the Oracle version specifically from them versus it
>>> being able to be installed from the Ubuntu software center.
>> You're not really explaining this very well.  Why would the EOL of
>> JDK 6 have any bearing on this?
> 
> I'm not referring to an EOL of Java 6. What I'm referring to is an
> EOL of allowing operating system providers to provide Oracles
> JRE/JDK in operating systems. 

Ah, you mean the proprietary JDK.  Please, please, if you mean the
proprietary JDK, say so, or everything will get horribly confused.
Or at least I will!  :-)

> That forces Linux distros to distribute OpenJDK only and users to
> get Oracle JDK 7,8,etc on their own if there is to be such a thing
> and obviously depending on its price.

Well, OK.  So what?  Why would anybody care?  OpenJDK is just fine.

> So, if Windows computer manufacturers would like to distribute a
> JDK, it will have to be OpenJDK.

Fair enough; we're talking about proprietary operating systems, then.

> Anyways, I use Ubuntu daily, and my thoughts on this come from:
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/java-to-be-removed-from-ubuntu-uninstalled-from-user-machines/
> https://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the
> 
> Please admonish me and especially them if it is wrong.

It seems accurate enough, although the headline is wrong (very wrong!)

Andrew.


From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 24 13:58:23 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:58:23 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F475653.5000007@redhat.com>
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On 02/24/2012 04:20 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 02/24/2012 02:21 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>> On 02/23/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> On 02/23/2012 01:53 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>> Forgot to send to list before...
>>>>
>>>> On 02/23/2012 05:09 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>>>> On 02/23/2012 04:09 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>>>> Perhaps this is being done for Fedora. I was under the impression
>>>>>> from the recent push, or at least perceived push, from Oracle to get
>>>>>> folks using the OpenJDK and not their builds distributed within an
>>>>>> operating system
>>>>> I don't understand.  OpenJDK is distributed within an OS.  Where did
>>>>> they say this?
>>>>>
>>>> Here I'm specifically referring to the EOL of the OS bundle license for
>>>> the Sun/Oracle distributed runtimes. For instance, on Ubuntu now, one
>>>> needs to go get the Oracle version specifically from them versus it
>>>> being able to be installed from the Ubuntu software center.
>>> You're not really explaining this very well.  Why would the EOL of
>>> JDK 6 have any bearing on this?
>> I'm not referring to an EOL of Java 6. What I'm referring to is an
>> EOL of allowing operating system providers to provide Oracles
>> JRE/JDK in operating systems.
> Ah, you mean the proprietary JDK.  Please, please, if you mean the
> proprietary JDK, say so, or everything will get horribly confused.
> Or at least I will!  :-)
>> That forces Linux distros to distribute OpenJDK only and users to
>> get Oracle JDK 7,8,etc on their own if there is to be such a thing
>> and obviously depending on its price.
> Well, OK.  So what?  Why would anybody care?  OpenJDK is just fine.
This is all my opinion of course, we have gotten down into this 
conversation, but all the points here are related to exactly the reasons 
we have been talking about. So, here is the rest of my thought process 
on this topic, and will just leave it at that.

To answer "So what? Why would anybody care?" Really?

What is OpenJDK? Every Linux distros OpenJDK is what? Testing is what? 
Users download what? Today, many applications have issues running on 
OpenJDK because of differences. If OpenJDK is the defacto Java, and it 
has issues compared to the previous defacto Java, and TCKs are not run 
on distributions for popular operating systems easily grabbed from the 
site, and there are no binary downloads available, or at least this is 
perceived because of having to find each and everyone in one of hundreds 
of projects, then what is it, and how can many application developers 
use it, and without those end user developers, how does it continue to 
be as strong as it is today?

For me the binary distribution is a big part of this. OpenJDK may be 
more important than NetBeans or Eclipse, but only because there are more 
applications using it. Without good IDEs there won't be many developers 
writing applications for it. The new comers will be doing what all of us 
did when we were younger as it relates to Java, but with different 
technologies; using the free IDEs for C/C++, Python, PHP (which I also 
do today, but still a valid point). If it doesn't remain as easily 
accessible as Java has in the past I am of the opinion it will not 
remain on top, and my reason for these points on easily downloadable 
binaries.

Here they miss a key point on Linux binaries and user testing:
http://python.org/download/

from OpenJDK:
"*Download* and install <http://openjdk.java.net/install/index.html> the 
open-source JDK 6 for most popular Linux distributions. If you came here 
looking for Oracle JDK 6 product binaries for Solaris, Linux, or 
Windows, which are based largely on the same code, you can download them 
from *java.oracle.com* 
<http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html>."

Now, if the build system gets to the point where one can build a 
Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X binary easily and quickly, like pulling 
down required versions of libraries and letting build engineers override 
those as needed to make it as flexible as possible, then that is OK, but 
not perfect because I think that puts up barriers to newbies and youth 
(students) as well as people with limited time who might help the 
project track down bugs if they can get a version and go. I suppose if 
the Oracle build works the same then that could work for Linux and 
Windows, but still it isn't an artifact from the OpenJDK project as it 
is "based largely on the same code".

For instance, upcoming versions EA releases or simply validating whether 
OpenJDK runs applications running on the Oracle build or older versions 
of the JVM. Should folks wanting to help test those things out have to 
build the system? Seems that loses a lot of folks who could help track 
down bugs and make it better using their real world applications.

They "could" still do that, but it comes down to time. In most cases 
those folks are paid to work on business/domain logic. Testing and 
getting ready for new platform releases is part of that. Building the 
JDK probably not, and that isn't their fault. Some are paid to work on 
OpenJDK, and for obvious reasons, it is the basis of large vendor 
platforms. Both types are extremely important.

So, I'm not knocking it. I want it to succeed. I think there are certain 
things which can make that more probable.

But, too, that all depends on what the exact goals of OpenJDK are. If 
some of these things are not goals of OpenJDK, then that is fine too. If 
the goal of OpenJDK isn't to produce any binary result, but to instead 
be a basis for the involved vendors brands of JVMs, then I believe that 
should be stated some where on the front page as many people use Java 
and have dedicated their time to it. Such a statement makes clear that 
there are certain things folks shouldn't spend time thinking about or 
trying to push to get going.

"*What is this?* The place to collaborate on an open-source 
implementation of the Java Platform, Standard Edition 
<http://java.sun.com/javase/>, and related projects. (Learn more.) 
<http://openjdk.java.net/faq/>:"

Wade

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NetBeans Dream Team Member

wadechandler.com
netbeans.org



From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 24 14:06:57 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:06:57 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On 02/23/2012 09:52 PM, Frans Thamura wrote:
>
> Sound discussion betwweem wade and andrew are cool.
>
> Why dont both of u become comitee in community way.
>
> We decide what will we do. Rather wait oracle.
>
Oracle is a big sponsor here if not "the" sponsor along with other large 
companies. Certainly they maintain the licensing for Java, and OpenJDK 
is their project. I think all you can do is discuss things, see where 
they go, be grateful for all this free stuff, and make decisions for 
yourself. It is what it is.

"The OpenJDK Lead is an OpenJDK Member, appointed by Oracle, who directs 
the major efforts of the Community, which are new implementations of the 
Java SE Platform known as JDK Release Projects 
<http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#jdk-release-projects>. The OpenJDK Lead 
is responsible for the openness and transparency of the development 
process used in those Projects and can also settle certain kinds of 
procedural disputes. The OpenJDK Lead sits on the Governing Board 
<http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#governing-board>."

"The Governing Board manages the structure and operation of the OpenJDK 
Community.

The Governing Board consists of five Contributors 
<http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#contributor>:

  * The Chair, appointed by Oracle;
  * The Vice-Chair, appointed by IBM;
  * The OpenJDK Lead <http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#openjdk-lead>,
    appointed by Oracle; and
  * Two At-Large Members
    <http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#at-large-members>, nominated and
    elected as described below."


So there are things which have to happen here. If you want to steer the 
ship versus give opinion or just contribute to the structures in place 
you have to roll your own which it seems many are doing. I think that is 
about it. Same way with NetBeans which I am a contributor. There are 
structures in place, I give an opinion, commit some code, try my best, 
but at the end of the day I'm not paying for their servers and 
distribution. Right is right.

Doesn't hurt to have an opinion though or work for change :-D

Wade

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NetBeans Dream Team Member

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From aph at redhat.com  Fri Feb 24 14:29:42 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:29:42 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On 02/24/2012 01:58 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
> On 02/24/2012 04:20 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 02/24/2012 02:21 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>
>>> That forces Linux distros to distribute OpenJDK only and users to
>>> get Oracle JDK 7,8,etc on their own if there is to be such a thing
>>> and obviously depending on its price.
>> Well, OK.  So what?  Why would anybody care?  OpenJDK is just fine.
>
> This is all my opinion of course, we have gotten down into this 
> conversation, but all the points here are related to exactly the reasons 
> we have been talking about. So, here is the rest of my thought process 
> on this topic, and will just leave it at that.
> 
> To answer "So what? Why would anybody care?" Really?
> 
> What is OpenJDK? Every Linux distros OpenJDK is what? Testing is
> what?  Users download what? Today, many applications have issues
> running on OpenJDK because of differences. If OpenJDK is the defacto
> Java, and it has issues compared to the previous defacto Java, and
> TCKs are not run on distributions for popular operating systems
> easily grabbed from the site, and there are no binary downloads
> available, or at least this is perceived because of having to find
> each and everyone in one of hundreds of projects, then what is it,
> and how can many application developers use it, and without those
> end user developers, how does it continue to be as strong as it is
> today?

We've got to solve the true problem, not patch around it.  If the
OpenJDK on some of the distros is defective or untested, we are not
going to solve that problem by providing a binary download that hasn't
been tested on that distro.  That just takes us back to the dreadful
state of affairs before all the distros packaged OpenJDK.

> For me the binary distribution is a big part of this. OpenJDK may be
> more important than NetBeans or Eclipse, but only because there are
> more applications using it.

That's a reasonable operational definition of "important".

> Without good IDEs there won't be many developers writing
> applications for it. The new comers will be doing what all of us did
> when we were younger as it relates to Java, but with different
> technologies; using the free IDEs for C/C++, Python, PHP (which I
> also do today, but still a valid point). If it doesn't remain as
> easily accessible as Java has in the past I am of the opinion it
> will not remain on top, and my reason for these points on easily
> downloadable binaries.

All of these are easily downloadable on all the distros.  That's what
distros do very well.  I remember the bad old days of free software
where you really did have to grab a compiler from here, developer
tools from there, and so on.  It was horrible.

> For instance, upcoming versions EA releases or simply validating
> whether OpenJDK runs applications running on the Oracle build or
> older versions of the JVM.

Fair point.  That is a valid technical reason for keeping a bunch of
old Java binaries around.  It would be a valuable resource for
developers.  It would be a Bad Thing, to say the least, if end users
ended up using these downloads.

> Should folks wanting to help test those things out have to build the
> system? Seems that loses a lot of folks who could help track down
> bugs and make it better using their real world applications.

> They "could" still do that, but it comes down to time. In most cases 
> those folks are paid to work on business/domain logic. Testing and 
> getting ready for new platform releases is part of that. Building the 
> JDK probably not, and that isn't their fault. Some are paid to work on 
> OpenJDK, and for obvious reasons, it is the basis of large vendor 
> platforms. Both types are extremely important.
> 
> So, I'm not knocking it. I want it to succeed. I think there are certain 
> things which can make that more probable.

Fair enough.  But encouraging people do use binaries that have been
put on a site that may or may not have been tested and may or may not
have any kind of update mechanism is *dangerous*.  I can't stress
this enough.

> But, too, that all depends on what the exact goals of OpenJDK
> are. If some of these things are not goals of OpenJDK, then that is
> fine too. If the goal of OpenJDK isn't to produce any binary result,

Of course it is!  But you don't get a binary by just building it, or
at least a binary that a reasonable person would trust.

> but to instead be a basis for the involved vendors brands of JVMs,
> then I believe that should be stated some where on the front page as
> many people use Java and have dedicated their time to it.

You're saying it as though OpenJDK not providing binaries is a bad
thing.  It's not.  OpenJDK is, and has always been, a source
distribution, for the reasons that I have tried -- apparently
unsuccessfully -- to explain.

It would be fantastic if someone could put in place a mechanism to
build and update properly tested OpenJDK binaries for all operating
systems.  But it is not just a matter of doing a build and putting it
on a web site somewhere: with distribution comes responsibility.

I admit that this is a free-software-centered viewpoint.  I apologize,
but that's the only viewpoint I have.

Andrew.


From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 24 15:05:08 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:05:08 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
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On 02/24/2012 09:29 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 02/24/2012 01:58 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>> On 02/24/2012 04:20 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> On 02/24/2012 02:21 AM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>>> That forces Linux distros to distribute OpenJDK only and users to
>>>> get Oracle JDK 7,8,etc on their own if there is to be such a thing
>>>> and obviously depending on its price.
>>> Well, OK.  So what?  Why would anybody care?  OpenJDK is just fine.
>> This is all my opinion of course, we have gotten down into this
>> conversation, but all the points here are related to exactly the reasons
>> we have been talking about. So, here is the rest of my thought process
>> on this topic, and will just leave it at that.
>>
>> To answer "So what? Why would anybody care?" Really?
>>
>> What is OpenJDK? Every Linux distros OpenJDK is what? Testing is
>> what?  Users download what? Today, many applications have issues
>> running on OpenJDK because of differences. If OpenJDK is the defacto
>> Java, and it has issues compared to the previous defacto Java, and
>> TCKs are not run on distributions for popular operating systems
>> easily grabbed from the site, and there are no binary downloads
>> available, or at least this is perceived because of having to find
>> each and everyone in one of hundreds of projects, then what is it,
>> and how can many application developers use it, and without those
>> end user developers, how does it continue to be as strong as it is
>> today?
> We've got to solve the true problem, not patch around it.  If the
> OpenJDK on some of the distros is defective or untested, we are not
> going to solve that problem by providing a binary download that hasn't
> been tested on that distro.  That just takes us back to the dreadful
> state of affairs before all the distros packaged OpenJDK.
>
>> For me the binary distribution is a big part of this. OpenJDK may be
>> more important than NetBeans or Eclipse, but only because there are
>> more applications using it.
> That's a reasonable operational definition of "important".
>
>> Without good IDEs there won't be many developers writing
>> applications for it. The new comers will be doing what all of us did
>> when we were younger as it relates to Java, but with different
>> technologies; using the free IDEs for C/C++, Python, PHP (which I
>> also do today, but still a valid point). If it doesn't remain as
>> easily accessible as Java has in the past I am of the opinion it
>> will not remain on top, and my reason for these points on easily
>> downloadable binaries.
> All of these are easily downloadable on all the distros.  That's what
> distros do very well.  I remember the bad old days of free software
> where you really did have to grab a compiler from here, developer
> tools from there, and so on.  It was horrible.
>
>> For instance, upcoming versions EA releases or simply validating
>> whether OpenJDK runs applications running on the Oracle build or
>> older versions of the JVM.
> Fair point.  That is a valid technical reason for keeping a bunch of
> old Java binaries around.  It would be a valuable resource for
> developers.  It would be a Bad Thing, to say the least, if end users
> ended up using these downloads.
>
>> Should folks wanting to help test those things out have to build the
>> system? Seems that loses a lot of folks who could help track down
>> bugs and make it better using their real world applications.
>> They "could" still do that, but it comes down to time. In most cases
>> those folks are paid to work on business/domain logic. Testing and
>> getting ready for new platform releases is part of that. Building the
>> JDK probably not, and that isn't their fault. Some are paid to work on
>> OpenJDK, and for obvious reasons, it is the basis of large vendor
>> platforms. Both types are extremely important.
>>
>> So, I'm not knocking it. I want it to succeed. I think there are certain
>> things which can make that more probable.
> Fair enough.  But encouraging people do use binaries that have been
> put on a site that may or may not have been tested and may or may not
> have any kind of update mechanism is *dangerous*.  I can't stress
> this enough.
>
>> But, too, that all depends on what the exact goals of OpenJDK
>> are. If some of these things are not goals of OpenJDK, then that is
>> fine too. If the goal of OpenJDK isn't to produce any binary result,
> Of course it is!  But you don't get a binary by just building it, or
> at least a binary that a reasonable person would trust.
>
>> but to instead be a basis for the involved vendors brands of JVMs,
>> then I believe that should be stated some where on the front page as
>> many people use Java and have dedicated their time to it.
> You're saying it as though OpenJDK not providing binaries is a bad
> thing.  It's not.  OpenJDK is, and has always been, a source
> distribution, for the reasons that I have tried -- apparently
> unsuccessfully -- to explain.
>
> It would be fantastic if someone could put in place a mechanism to
> build and update properly tested OpenJDK binaries for all operating
> systems.  But it is not just a matter of doing a build and putting it
> on a web site somewhere: with distribution comes responsibility.
>
> I admit that this is a free-software-centered viewpoint.  I apologize,
> but that's the only viewpoint I have.
>
> Andrew.
No worries Andrew. It is a valid viewpoint you have. I just wanted to 
stress my points, and you have communicated yours very well. On some 
points I very much agree with you. Others I think it isn't as black or 
white, but I think that it is OK to disagree on some things. Thank you 
very much for the discussion.

Wade

-- 

=================
Wade Chandler

Software Engineer and Consultant
NetBeans Contributor
NetBeans Dream Team Member

wadechandler.com
netbeans.org



From aph at redhat.com  Fri Feb 24 15:13:32 2012
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:13:32 +0000
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F47A724.3040100@yahoo.com>
References: <CAOzQtinSE02ym6sdD6Os4K_MYSnfwViQu+BfSXq--YapyT7dwg@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38436E.800@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtimtiXO21QZ2KFW0-F1g9eRzYsLpOfUci5ZZdH2+qXLsxA@mail.gmail.com>	<4F38E99F.8090505@oracle.com>	<CAFn-HvuPTMmsGk4oHMOeRGHghUSnSfR9xNwum5fwBLy93tiLVg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOzQti=_Jnf35oGfpdYu=yKwGmnWv8JQtGcJBAmfwqivr3g-Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<4F39A75B.9000006@oracle.com>	<CAOzQtim88oCfG4j8Z6ROYMNF83nXnjV=yVmZU75Gq3g=xYGh_A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4F43CF3E.5050507@yahoo.com> <4F43E58C.20905@redhat.com>
	<4F45235A.2090802@yahoo.com> <4F453627.7000001@redhat.com>
	<4F45BC0C.2080303@yahoo.com> <4F461071.7010606@redhat.com>
	<4F4644E2.7070801@yahoo.com> <4F4661BC.90308@redhat.com>
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On 02/24/2012 03:05 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>> I admit that this is a free-software-centered viewpoint.  I apologize,
>> > but that's the only viewpoint I have.
>> >
>> > Andrew.
> No worries Andrew. It is a valid viewpoint you have. I just wanted to 
> stress my points, and you have communicated yours very well. On some 
> points I very much agree with you. Others I think it isn't as black or 
> white, but I think that it is OK to disagree on some things. Thank you 
> very much for the discussion.

Sorry if I've been a bit testy, but I'm debugging a very annoying
segfault deep inside a JIT, and, well, y'know...

Andrew.


From hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 24 15:51:52 2012
From: hwadechandler-openjdk at yahoo.com (Wade Chandler)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:51:52 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 VM including OpenJDK Build Image
In-Reply-To: <4F47A91C.7030007@redhat.com>
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On 02/24/2012 10:13 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 02/24/2012 03:05 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:
>>> I admit that this is a free-software-centered viewpoint.  I apologize,
>>>> but that's the only viewpoint I have.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew.
>> No worries Andrew. It is a valid viewpoint you have. I just wanted to
>> stress my points, and you have communicated yours very well. On some
>> points I very much agree with you. Others I think it isn't as black or
>> white, but I think that it is OK to disagree on some things. Thank you
>> very much for the discussion.
> Sorry if I've been a bit testy, but I'm debugging a very annoying
> segfault deep inside a JIT, and, well, y'know...
>
> Andrew.
Totally understand. Thanks again,

Wade

-- 

=================
Wade Chandler

Software Engineer and Consultant
NetBeans Contributor
NetBeans Dream Team Member

wadechandler.com
netbeans.org



From denisl at openscg.com  Sat Feb 25 02:00:51 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:00:51 -0800
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> I love Denis work in the OpenJDK.. is it possible?
>
> or the model , binary outside the OpenJDK?
>
>
OpenSCG.org is interested in doing more work in the areas of providing and
distributing cross platform x86 and x64 Windows & Linux binaries.
Truthfully, we have been slow to deliver Windows 64 and any OpenJDK 7
binaries because uptake is limited because of lack of links from the
OpenJDK primary website.   Note that I am shortly going to deliver OpenJDK
7 OSX-Intel binaries because getting a full featured OpenJDK 6 working on
OSX is beyond the scope of my packaging prowess.

--Luss


From frans at meruvian.org  Sat Feb 25 02:56:17 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:56:17 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyqM5b6sf4Z2oELysY7=e9uxiDM75x0aTML439C4wdoKUQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> OpenSCG.org is interested in doing more work in the areas of providing and
> distributing cross platform x86 and x64 Windows & Linux binaries.
> Truthfully, we have been slow to deliver Windows 64 and any OpenJDK 7
> binaries because uptake is limited because of lack of links from the OpenJDK
> primary website. ? Note that I am shortly going to deliver OpenJDK 7
> OSX-Intel binaries because getting a full featured OpenJDK 6 working on OSX
> is beyond the scope of my packaging prowess.
>

with less oracle people, and the push in nov 2012, for end of life
for JDK 6 in nov 2012..

need more more people outside OpenJDK ecosystem to create ecosystem,
to make sure the ecosystem work..

NB: feel that this push to make us buy JDK :) and the community get in
hard or must be nice .. :) waiting AdaptOpenJDK program :)

F


From benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 08:45:06 2012
From: benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com (Ben Evans)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:45:06 +0000
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
>
> OpenSCG.org is interested in doing more work in the areas of providing and
> distributing cross platform x86 and x64 Windows & Linux binaries.
> Truthfully, we have been slow to deliver Windows 64 and any OpenJDK 7
> binaries because uptake is limited because of lack of links from the
> OpenJDK primary website. ? Note that I am shortly going to deliver OpenJDK
> 7 OSX-Intel binaries because getting a full featured OpenJDK 6 working on
> OSX is beyond the scope of my packaging prowess.

Have you spoken to Henri Gomez? He has done some great work with
OpenJDK 8 (and also 7, I believe) on OS X.

He may be able to give you some advice / help. Mail me offlist if you
don't have his contact details.

Thanks,

Ben


From frans at meruvian.org  Sun Feb 26 09:48:01 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:48:01 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQypg9++RnY6CkJa8=tjvVh30y4fod3Q5pEwuG7icmuHdUw@mail.gmail.com>

hi ben,

can he be part of this mailing list?

F


On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Ben Evans
<benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Lussier, Denis <denisl at openscg.com> wrote:
>>
>> OpenSCG.org is interested in doing more work in the areas of providing and
>> distributing cross platform x86 and x64 Windows & Linux binaries.
>> Truthfully, we have been slow to deliver Windows 64 and any OpenJDK 7
>> binaries because uptake is limited because of lack of links from the
>> OpenJDK primary website. ? Note that I am shortly going to deliver OpenJDK
>> 7 OSX-Intel binaries because getting a full featured OpenJDK 6 working on
>> OSX is beyond the scope of my packaging prowess.
>
> Have you spoken to Henri Gomez? He has done some great work with
> OpenJDK 8 (and also 7, I believe) on OS X.
>
> He may be able to give you some advice / help. Mail me offlist if you
> don't have his contact details.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben


From fcassia at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 12:25:42 2012
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:25:42 -0300
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyqM5b6sf4Z2oELysY7=e9uxiDM75x0aTML439C4wdoKUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyqM5b6sf4Z2oELysY7=e9uxiDM75x0aTML439C4wdoKUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACGw4H5cJMNQaaQSiKD3OHWPdvR+3=mRJnMxYrxGu_0cRiV2cg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 23:56, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> with less oracle people,

Source?

> and the push in nov 2012, for end of life
> for JDK 6 in nov 2012..

JDK6 will be EOL. Like JDK5 and JDK4 before it. Java is an evolving
platform. You stay on the last release available, which is always
backwards compatible.

Likewise, nobody cries for the EOL of Microsoft .Net 1.0

You are seeing problems that do not exist.

FC

-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
- George Orwell


From denisl at openscg.com  Mon Feb 27 05:05:20 2012
From: denisl at openscg.com (Lussier, Denis)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:05:20 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHKhnVUrR807V2+KTyNnrrJ9Nsqhhxz7FsyXrM8No7vYCH0Pog@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Ben Evans <benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com>wrote:

> Have you spoken to Henri Gomez? He has done some great work with
> OpenJDK 8 (and also 7, I believe) on OS X.
>
>
I haven't spoken to Henri directly, but, thanks to the great work of many
BSD & Darwin community members (plus several Apple employees)...
Building a rock solid OpenJDK 7 for OSX Intel x86 is now very doable.


From henri.gomez at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 10:03:41 2012
From: henri.gomez at gmail.com (Henri Gomez)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:03:41 +0100
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQypg9++RnY6CkJa8=tjvVh30y4fod3Q5pEwuG7icmuHdUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypg9++RnY6CkJa8=tjvVh30y4fod3Q5pEwuG7icmuHdUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALyUpY1K4=nWFZ9aQpDSEQX5XsObtZJa=fyUJTN0XanUaMPFaw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> hi ben,
>
> can he be part of this mailing list?
>

I'm allready in and following it with interest :)


From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 27 10:10:09 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:10:09 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CALyUpY1K4=nWFZ9aQpDSEQX5XsObtZJa=fyUJTN0XanUaMPFaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypg9++RnY6CkJa8=tjvVh30y4fod3Q5pEwuG7icmuHdUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALyUpY1K4=nWFZ9aQpDSEQX5XsObtZJa=fyUJTN0XanUaMPFaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyqZf2C1vFafoAox_fOa0=tWqoFS+DaxOLX6aZ+F2DXLcw@mail.gmail.com>

:) the compiler gang has shown up :)

i am starting prepare full dedicated team for this, and several univ,
polytechincs and vocational school will join, hope next june will start to
work.

F

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Henri Gomez <henri.gomez at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi ben,
>>
>> can he be part of this mailing list?
>>
>
> I'm allready in and following it with interest :)
>
>


From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 27 11:19:25 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:19:25 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK repositioning..
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyr9vywQX5tqwRQze5N2qBSDWJsscXDMyJKfAxQ++mLgOw@mail.gmail.com>

hi all

a little discussion here.. inspired by OpenOffice model

which one from these statements?

OpenJDK is a OpenSource project which Oracle is the main contributor...

or.


Oracle is the owner of OpenJDK that decide everything, and the contribution
model under JCP..


anyway, this is a discusion outside this mailinglist with several of these
member also :0

like usually, i try to raise up :)

F


From benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 11:42:14 2012
From: benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com (Ben Evans)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:42:14 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CALyUpY1K4=nWFZ9aQpDSEQX5XsObtZJa=fyUJTN0XanUaMPFaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypg9++RnY6CkJa8=tjvVh30y4fod3Q5pEwuG7icmuHdUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALyUpY1K4=nWFZ9aQpDSEQX5XsObtZJa=fyUJTN0XanUaMPFaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABKW8Rj-cM2=BBFnbUPUQLmwJ+qiqbiuexixwFQJsVXJbOTvPw@mail.gmail.com>

>> can he be part of this mailing list?
>
> I'm allready in and following it with interest :)

Glad to hear it - I thought that some of your experiences with 7 may
be of interest to anyone who wants to produce an OpenJDK 6 build.

My general take on it is that anyone who wants to produce a slightly
non-mainstream build (John Yeary, I'm lookin' at you :) ) should
definitely go for it - after all Open Source is often about scratching
your own itch first.

Personally, where I want to spend my focus is on the future of the
platform - and that means OpenJDK 7 & 8. I think the others involved
in AdoptOpenJDK feel similarly - but as always, each individual person
should make their own decision on what to work on, and which projects
they want to get involved in.

Thanks,

Ben


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 12:13:25 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:13:25 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK BInary REsult
In-Reply-To: <CABKW8Rj-cM2=BBFnbUPUQLmwJ+qiqbiuexixwFQJsVXJbOTvPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQypPrq5h-qeb_1yOshTE7CvkCKOBuaFKJCReroUfF26O2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHKhnVVSjaU0VPhHEY7mhzgPFsaiKeT8z-=NQ5y0=xAgybhMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABKW8Rip+kBBnC4VvxL=H6Tw7MezvSozAHQWa_7F2grGDmTV=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQypg9++RnY6CkJa8=tjvVh30y4fod3Q5pEwuG7icmuHdUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALyUpY1K4=nWFZ9aQpDSEQX5XsObtZJa=fyUJTN0XanUaMPFaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABKW8Rj-cM2=BBFnbUPUQLmwJ+qiqbiuexixwFQJsVXJbOTvPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQtinGVDBBtBThNbo4k=Jh1iNDNdQa-uXjXcUR2h6jYYbOYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Henri did contact me about setting up everything to work with a CI system
and publishing it. As previously noted, we are a team of open source
developers who do this on our time. Unfortunately, my time slicing
algorithm needs some tweaking. I spent pretty much the whole weekend doing
Boy Scout activities... or recovering. ;-) I did manage to blog about
running OpenJDK, but it was waiting for me to finish the Darwin9Builld page
which I update a week ago.

I will try to get my ducks in a row and get some of these things like a
good build for OS X 10.5 PPC set up. I will likely try to lean on Henri for
 assistance since he has the expertise in getting it set up. ;-)

John

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that knows not victory nor defeat."
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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Ben Evans <benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com>wrote:

> >> can he be part of this mailing list?
> >
> > I'm allready in and following it with interest :)
>
> Glad to hear it - I thought that some of your experiences with 7 may
> be of interest to anyone who wants to produce an OpenJDK 6 build.
>
> My general take on it is that anyone who wants to produce a slightly
> non-mainstream build (John Yeary, I'm lookin' at you :) ) should
> definitely go for it - after all Open Source is often about scratching
> your own itch first.
>
> Personally, where I want to spend my focus is on the future of the
> platform - and that means OpenJDK 7 & 8. I think the others involved
> in AdoptOpenJDK feel similarly - but as always, each individual person
> should make their own decision on what to work on, and which projects
> they want to get involved in.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben
>


From johnyeary at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 12:17:28 2012
From: johnyeary at gmail.com (John Yeary)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:17:28 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK repositioning..
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyr9vywQX5tqwRQze5N2qBSDWJsscXDMyJKfAxQ++mLgOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr9vywQX5tqwRQze5N2qBSDWJsscXDMyJKfAxQ++mLgOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOzQtimdVGvC4KZgjon8TnSerBNQZ=efdJOFLHc=vu7Xk02NEA@mail.gmail.com>

This is not a helpful discussion. If you would like to discuss governance,
please use that list.

I am not ready to get my pitchfork and torch to burn down the citadel. This
is not the place to foment insurrection, or rebellion.

____________________________

John Yeary
____________________________

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<http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
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though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
that knows not victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt



On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:

> hi all
>
> a little discussion here.. inspired by OpenOffice model
>
> which one from these statements?
>
> OpenJDK is a OpenSource project which Oracle is the main contributor...
>
> or.
>
>
> Oracle is the owner of OpenJDK that decide everything, and the contribution
> model under JCP..
>
>
> anyway, this is a discusion outside this mailinglist with several of these
> member also :0
>
> like usually, i try to raise up :)
>
> F
>


From benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 12:27:32 2012
From: benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com (Ben Evans)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:27:32 -0500
Subject: OpenJDK repositioning..
In-Reply-To: <CAOzQtimdVGvC4KZgjon8TnSerBNQZ=efdJOFLHc=vu7Xk02NEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr9vywQX5tqwRQze5N2qBSDWJsscXDMyJKfAxQ++mLgOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtimdVGvC4KZgjon8TnSerBNQZ=efdJOFLHc=vu7Xk02NEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABKW8RiJqf7J=VGHSri16oGMPB5zSseX30kppN+_7XLux6EHVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Seconded.

The issue of OpenJDK governance belongs on that list. Mark and others
have spent a long time ensuring that the processes for governance are
clear, and are streamlined to favour technical participation.

If you don't like the processes and want to change them, then the
first thing to do is to write some patches to OpenJDK, and convince
commiters (who are, after all, your peers) of their technical merit.
Then get yourself nominated for a commit bit.

Thanks,

Ben

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:17 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is not a helpful discussion. If you would like to discuss governance,
> please use that list.
>
> I am not ready to get my pitchfork and torch to burn down the citadel. This
> is not the place to foment insurrection, or rebellion.
>
> ____________________________
>
> John Yeary
> ____________________________
>
> <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/> ?<https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
> ?<http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
> ?<http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
> ?<http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> ____________________________
>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who
> neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight
> that knows not victory nor defeat."
> -- Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
>
>> hi all
>>
>> a little discussion here.. inspired by OpenOffice model
>>
>> which one from these statements?
>>
>> OpenJDK is a OpenSource project which Oracle is the main contributor...
>>
>> or.
>>
>>
>> Oracle is the owner of OpenJDK that decide everything, and the contribution
>> model under JCP..
>>
>>
>> anyway, this is a discusion outside this mailinglist with several of these
>> member also :0
>>
>> like usually, i try to raise up :)
>>
>> F
>>


From frans at meruvian.org  Mon Feb 27 12:52:35 2012
From: frans at meruvian.org (Frans Thamura)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:52:35 +0700
Subject: OpenJDK repositioning..
In-Reply-To: <CABKW8RiJqf7J=VGHSri16oGMPB5zSseX30kppN+_7XLux6EHVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOeeQyr9vywQX5tqwRQze5N2qBSDWJsscXDMyJKfAxQ++mLgOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOzQtimdVGvC4KZgjon8TnSerBNQZ=efdJOFLHc=vu7Xk02NEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABKW8RiJqf7J=VGHSri16oGMPB5zSseX30kppN+_7XLux6EHVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOeeQyp+uswu-2bw5J8piszSrTF4=xrsNSq2PEg7wRbHkwfPYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Will ask there

Thx
On Feb 27, 2012 7:28 PM, "Ben Evans" <benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com> wrote:

> Seconded.
>
> The issue of OpenJDK governance belongs on that list. Mark and others
> have spent a long time ensuring that the processes for governance are
> clear, and are streamlined to favour technical participation.
>
> If you don't like the processes and want to change them, then the
> first thing to do is to write some patches to OpenJDK, and convince
> commiters (who are, after all, your peers) of their technical merit.
> Then get yourself nominated for a commit bit.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:17 AM, John Yeary <johnyeary at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is not a helpful discussion. If you would like to discuss
> governance,
> > please use that list.
> >
> > I am not ready to get my pitchfork and torch to burn down the citadel.
> This
> > is not the place to foment insurrection, or rebellion.
> >
> > ____________________________
> >
> > John Yeary
> > ____________________________
> >
> > <http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/>  <https://twitter.com/jyeary>
> > <http://www.youtube.com/johnyeary>
> >  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jyeary>
> > <https://plus.google.com/112146428878473069965>
> >  <http://www.facebook.com/jyeary>
> > <http://feeds.feedburner.com/JavaEvangelistJohnYearysBlog>
> >  <http://netbeans.org/people/84414-jyeary>
> > ____________________________
> >
> > "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even
> > though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits
> who
> > neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray
> twilight
> > that knows not victory nor defeat."
> > -- Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> hi all
> >>
> >> a little discussion here.. inspired by OpenOffice model
> >>
> >> which one from these statements?
> >>
> >> OpenJDK is a OpenSource project which Oracle is the main contributor...
> >>
> >> or.
> >>
> >>
> >> Oracle is the owner of OpenJDK that decide everything, and the
> contribution
> >> model under JCP..
> >>
> >>
> >> anyway, this is a discusion outside this mailinglist with several of
> these
> >> member also :0
> >>
> >> like usually, i try to raise up :)
> >>
> >> F
> >>
>