From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Thu Aug 1 13:08:00 2013 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:08:00 +0200 Subject: CFV and Project Proposal: HarfBuzz Integration Project (#2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51FA5DB0.5070300@oracle.com> Vote: Yes. cheers, dalibor topic -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Astrid Kepper, Val Maher Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From franz.van.betteraey at googlemail.com Tue Aug 6 21:05:11 2013 From: franz.van.betteraey at googlemail.com (Franz van Betteraey) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 23:05:11 +0200 Subject: Java Code Conventions Update In-Reply-To: <51ED8585.2060202@googlemail.com> References: <51ED8585.2060202@googlemail.com> Message-ID: I just noticed that there are two (very) old bug reports related to the Code Conventions topic: JDK-4785435 : bugs in CodeConventions on java.sun.com/docs/codeconv http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4785435 last comment: EVALUATION We no longer support this document, for it has been replaced by Josh Bloch's book "Effective Java". This document served its purpose when no other existed, but it has reached the end of its life. ###@###.### 2002-12-17 JDK-4797268 : Code conventions need to be updated http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4797268 last comment: EVALUATION Yes, we do need an updated code conventions doc. (20096-07-30) Both are closed with the "Won't fix" resolution. I wonder whether the document is to be kept up to date at all. If not it would be better to mark it as deprecated and point to alternative (up-to-date) resources (if they exist). Regards Franz 2013/7/22 Franz van Betteraey > Hi there, > > I find it very helpful that Java Code Conventions exist for a long time > now. They really "improve the readability of the software, allowing > engineers to understand new code more quickly and thoroughly" (from the > Code Conventions web page). > > But while the Java language evolves the code conventions remain the same. > Since the Java Code Conventions were last updated in 1999 several new Java > language features were introduced including lambdas in the upcoming version > of Java 8. > > Would it not be nice to update the Code Conventions so that we do not need > to follow rules from the last century in Java 8 (which are not bad but > probably missing relevant parts)? > > I wonder if (or where) someone could make an "official" request for this. > Dalibor Topic suggested to bring this up on this discussion list ( > https://twitter.com/robilad/**status/338350845315928064) > - so that's what I do now. > > Thanks for any support on this. > > Kind regards > Franz > From konstantin.perikov at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 22:02:42 2013 From: konstantin.perikov at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JrQvtC90YHRgtCw0L3RgtC40L0g0J/QtdGA0LjQutC+0LI=?=) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 02:02:42 +0400 Subject: Newcomer in OpenJDK community Message-ID: Hey, I just sign OCA about few weeks ago and finally its processed successfully. Today I visit JUG.ru meeting in Saint Petersburg, where we talk about OpenJDK, how to contribute and all related stuff. So, I come home, find a small bug in awt (javadoc) and decide to fix it. But suddenly I realize, that I don't understand what OpenJDK community name I have. Could you help me with that? Or point to proper manual about that? Thanks, Konstantin. From david.holmes at oracle.com Thu Aug 8 01:20:25 2013 From: david.holmes at oracle.com (David Holmes) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 11:20:25 +1000 Subject: Newcomer in OpenJDK community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5202F259.3020507@oracle.com> Hi Konstantin, Welcome to OpenJDK! On 8/08/2013 8:02 AM, ?????????? ??????? wrote: > Hey, > > I just sign OCA about few weeks ago and finally its processed successfully. > > Today I visit JUG.ru meeting in Saint Petersburg, where we talk about > OpenJDK, how to contribute and all related stuff. > > So, I come home, find a small bug in awt (javadoc) and decide to fix it. > > But suddenly I realize, that I don't understand what OpenJDK community name > I have. Could you help me with that? Or point to proper manual about that? The general information is all on the OpenJDK website. Presumably you've already seen the "How to Contribute" page: http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/ It is also useful to read the FAQ: http://openjdk.java.net/faq/ and also the Bylaws as these define the different roles that exist: http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws which is further expanded in the Projects document: http://openjdk.java.net/projects/ where you will find that you have to become an Author before you get an OpenJDK username. Cheers, David > Thanks, Konstantin. > From weijun.wang at oracle.com Thu Aug 8 01:45:44 2013 From: weijun.wang at oracle.com (Weijun Wang) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 09:45:44 +0800 Subject: Newcomer in OpenJDK community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5202F848.9080403@oracle.com> On 8/8/13 6:02 AM, ?????????? ??????? wrote: > Hey, > > I just sign OCA about few weeks ago and finally its processed successfully. Welcome! > > Today I visit JUG.ru meeting in Saint Petersburg, where we talk about > OpenJDK, how to contribute and all related stuff. > > So, I come home, find a small bug in awt (javadoc) and decide to fix it. > > But suddenly I realize, that I don't understand what OpenJDK community name > I have. Could you help me with that? Or point to proper manual about that? You cannot have an author name now. Just ask an existing member in awt to be your sponsor to this bug, and your name/email will be listed in the "Contributed-by" tag in the final fix. After several contributions, you can request for an author name, and more for a committer role... --Max > > Thanks, Konstantin. > From konstantin.perikov at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 06:00:55 2013 From: konstantin.perikov at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JrQvtC90YHRgtCw0L3RgtC40L0g0J/QtdGA0LjQutC+0LI=?=) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 10:00:55 +0400 Subject: Newcomer in OpenJDK community In-Reply-To: <5202F848.9080403@oracle.com> References: <5202F848.9080403@oracle.com> Message-ID: Thanks for help. I knew, that I'm not an author, but wondering, my OCA processed or not. So, right now, I'm ok. Find some bug, it's time to fix it :) Have a good day. 2013/8/8 Weijun Wang > > > On 8/8/13 6:02 AM, ?????????? ??????? wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> I just sign OCA about few weeks ago and finally its processed >> successfully. >> > > Welcome! > > > >> Today I visit JUG.ru meeting in Saint Petersburg, where we talk about >> OpenJDK, how to contribute and all related stuff. >> >> So, I come home, find a small bug in awt (javadoc) and decide to fix it. >> >> But suddenly I realize, that I don't understand what OpenJDK community >> name >> I have. Could you help me with that? Or point to proper manual about that? >> > > You cannot have an author name now. Just ask an existing member in awt to > be your sponsor to this bug, and your name/email will be listed in the > "Contributed-by" tag in the final fix. > > After several contributions, you can request for an author name, and more > for a committer role... > > --Max > > >> Thanks, Konstantin. >> >> From weijun.wang at oracle.com Thu Aug 8 07:53:22 2013 From: weijun.wang at oracle.com (Weijun Wang) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:53:22 +0800 Subject: Newcomer in OpenJDK community In-Reply-To: References: <5202F848.9080403@oracle.com> Message-ID: <52034E72.2010406@oracle.com> On 8/8/13 2:00 PM, ?????????? ??????? wrote: > Thanks for help. I knew, that I'm not an author, but wondering, my OCA > processed or not. The list is at http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/community/oca-486395.html And I guess this is you KonstantinPerikov - OpenJDK - mysterion So you are in. --Max > So, right now, I'm ok. > > Find some bug, it's time to fix it :) > > Have a good day. From benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 08:09:59 2013 From: benjamin.john.evans at gmail.com (Ben Evans) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:09:59 +0100 Subject: Newcomer in OpenJDK community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Konstantin, If you aren't aware of it, you should also have a look at (& consider joining) AdoptOpenJDK project - https://java.net/projects/adoptopenjdk/ - it's a project (originally started by Martijn Verburg & myself), to make a community of OpenJDK people who can make small fixes, help each other & try out new builds on a wider range of software than is possible for the core team. We'd love to have you join in as well, and anyone else who might be out there. Thanks, Ben On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:02 PM, ?????????? ??????? < konstantin.perikov at gmail.com> wrote: > Hey, > > I just sign OCA about few weeks ago and finally its processed successfully. > > Today I visit JUG.ru meeting in Saint Petersburg, where we talk about > OpenJDK, how to contribute and all related stuff. > > So, I come home, find a small bug in awt (javadoc) and decide to fix it. > > But suddenly I realize, that I don't understand what OpenJDK community name > I have. Could you help me with that? Or point to proper manual about that? > > Thanks, Konstantin. > From konstantin.perikov at gmail.com Thu Aug 8 09:48:30 2013 From: konstantin.perikov at gmail.com (Konstantin Perikov) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:48:30 +0400 Subject: Newcomer in OpenJDK community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Ben. Yes. This should be nice. Since, we all using different OS, different versions of *gcc, *etc. It's great to have such a place, where we could share our experience. Konstantin. 2013/8/8 Ben Evans > Hi Konstantin, > > If you aren't aware of it, you should also have a look at (& consider > joining) AdoptOpenJDK project - https://java.net/projects/adoptopenjdk/ - > it's a project (originally started by Martijn Verburg & myself), to make a > community of OpenJDK people who can make small fixes, help each other & try > out new builds on a wider range of software than is possible for the core > team. > > We'd love to have you join in as well, and anyone else who might be out > there. > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:02 PM, ?????????? ??????? < > konstantin.perikov at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> I just sign OCA about few weeks ago and finally its processed >> successfully. >> >> Today I visit JUG.ru meeting in Saint Petersburg, where we talk about >> OpenJDK, how to contribute and all related stuff. >> >> So, I come home, find a small bug in awt (javadoc) and decide to fix it. >> >> But suddenly I realize, that I don't understand what OpenJDK community >> name >> I have. Could you help me with that? Or point to proper manual about that? >> >> Thanks, Konstantin. >> > > From konstantin.perikov at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 06:44:47 2013 From: konstantin.perikov at gmail.com (Konstantin Perikov) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:44:47 +0400 Subject: How to find a proper bug to fix Message-ID: Hi, I join OpenJDK community like a week ago. And already made one "not a big deal" fix. The main problem, that I see - it's really hard to find bugs on bugs.sun.com You can only search by Bug ID or by some keywords. But there is not filtering by status or JDK version. So, I'll try next bug for me, but spent one hour and don't find anything suitable for me (95% is closed). Tell me, how you search for a bug to fix? Konstantin. From david.holmes at oracle.com Tue Aug 13 07:47:11 2013 From: david.holmes at oracle.com (David Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:47:11 +1000 Subject: How to find a proper bug to fix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> Hi Konstantin, On 13/08/2013 4:44 PM, Konstantin Perikov wrote: > Hi, > > I join OpenJDK community like a week ago. And already made one "not a big > deal" fix. The main problem, that I see - it's really hard to find bugs on > bugs.sun.com > > You can only search by Bug ID or by some keywords. But there is not > filtering by status or JDK version. So, I'll try next bug for me, but spent > one hour and don't find anything suitable for me (95% is closed). > > Tell me, how you search for a bug to fix? It might be more productive for you to engage with engineers within the specific area of JDK you are interested in (via appropriate mailing list) to see what suggestions they have for things to work on. David > Konstantin. > From aph at redhat.com Tue Aug 13 08:17:02 2013 From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:17:02 +0100 Subject: How to find a proper bug to fix In-Reply-To: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> References: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> Message-ID: <5209EB7E.4040108@redhat.com> On 08/13/2013 08:47 AM, David Holmes wrote: > On 13/08/2013 4:44 PM, Konstantin Perikov wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I join OpenJDK community like a week ago. And already made one "not a big >> deal" fix. The main problem, that I see - it's really hard to find bugs on >> bugs.sun.com >> >> You can only search by Bug ID or by some keywords. But there is not >> filtering by status or JDK version. So, I'll try next bug for me, but spent >> one hour and don't find anything suitable for me (95% is closed). >> >> Tell me, how you search for a bug to fix? > > It might be more productive for you to engage with engineers within the > specific area of JDK you are interested in (via appropriate mailing > list) to see what suggestions they have for things to work on. In addition: Konstantin, we know that it is very difficult for engineers outside of Oracle to find things in OpenJDK to work on. This is very much a work in progress, and in the meantime you'll have to ask the lists. This is very much something that we (in the Governing Board) want to get fixed. Andrew. From martijnverburg at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 08:18:59 2013 From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:18:59 +0100 Subject: How to find a proper bug to fix In-Reply-To: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> References: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi Konstantin, If you're completely stuck then we've compiled together a few lists of things at http://adoptopenjdk.java.net - small tasks that help you get familiar with the OpenJDK code base. PS: A new bug tracking system is due to come in soon which should make this all a lot easier. Cheers, Martijn On 13 August 2013 08:47, David Holmes wrote: > Hi Konstantin, > > > On 13/08/2013 4:44 PM, Konstantin Perikov wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I join OpenJDK community like a week ago. And already made one "not a big >> deal" fix. The main problem, that I see - it's really hard to find bugs on >> bugs.sun.com >> >> You can only search by Bug ID or by some keywords. But there is not >> filtering by status or JDK version. So, I'll try next bug for me, but >> spent >> one hour and don't find anything suitable for me (95% is closed). >> >> Tell me, how you search for a bug to fix? >> > > It might be more productive for you to engage with engineers within the > specific area of JDK you are interested in (via appropriate mailing list) > to see what suggestions they have for things to work on. > > David > > Konstantin. >> >> From konstantin.perikov at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 10:15:24 2013 From: konstantin.perikov at gmail.com (Konstantin Perikov) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:15:24 +0400 Subject: How to find a proper bug to fix In-Reply-To: References: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi, Martin. Could you point me the direction of work for adopt OpenJDK? As I understand this is not actually an OpenJDK, but some kind of a helper? David, Andrew, Thanks for your answers. Tha'ts really what upset me, with work on OpenJDK. Konstantin 2013/8/13 Martijn Verburg > Hi Konstantin, > > If you're completely stuck then we've compiled together a few lists of > things at http://adoptopenjdk.java.net - small tasks that help you get > familiar with the OpenJDK code base. > > PS: A new bug tracking system is due to come in soon which should make > this all a lot easier. > > Cheers, > Martijn > > > On 13 August 2013 08:47, David Holmes wrote: > >> Hi Konstantin, >> >> >> On 13/08/2013 4:44 PM, Konstantin Perikov wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I join OpenJDK community like a week ago. And already made one "not a big >>> deal" fix. The main problem, that I see - it's really hard to find bugs >>> on >>> bugs.sun.com >>> >>> You can only search by Bug ID or by some keywords. But there is not >>> filtering by status or JDK version. So, I'll try next bug for me, but >>> spent >>> one hour and don't find anything suitable for me (95% is closed). >>> >>> Tell me, how you search for a bug to fix? >>> >> >> It might be more productive for you to engage with engineers within the >> specific area of JDK you are interested in (via appropriate mailing list) >> to see what suggestions they have for things to work on. >> >> David >> >> Konstantin. >>> >>> > From martijnverburg at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 10:21:22 2013 From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:21:22 +0100 Subject: How to find a proper bug to fix In-Reply-To: References: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi Konstantin, If you visit http://adoptopenjdk.java.net it has all of the explanations and details there. In short it's simply a community of people who are new to OpenJDK (and are typically more casual contributors) and are trying to help each other out. Cheers, Martijn On 13 August 2013 11:15, Konstantin Perikov wrote: > Hi, Martin. > > Could you point me the direction of work for adopt OpenJDK? As I > understand this is not actually an OpenJDK, but some kind of a helper? > > David, Andrew, > > Thanks for your answers. Tha'ts really what upset me, with work on OpenJDK. > > Konstantin > > > > > 2013/8/13 Martijn Verburg > >> Hi Konstantin, >> >> If you're completely stuck then we've compiled together a few lists of >> things at http://adoptopenjdk.java.net - small tasks that help you get >> familiar with the OpenJDK code base. >> >> PS: A new bug tracking system is due to come in soon which should make >> this all a lot easier. >> >> Cheers, >> Martijn >> >> >> On 13 August 2013 08:47, David Holmes wrote: >> >>> Hi Konstantin, >>> >>> >>> On 13/08/2013 4:44 PM, Konstantin Perikov wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I join OpenJDK community like a week ago. And already made one "not a >>>> big >>>> deal" fix. The main problem, that I see - it's really hard to find bugs >>>> on >>>> bugs.sun.com >>>> >>>> You can only search by Bug ID or by some keywords. But there is not >>>> filtering by status or JDK version. So, I'll try next bug for me, but >>>> spent >>>> one hour and don't find anything suitable for me (95% is closed). >>>> >>>> Tell me, how you search for a bug to fix? >>>> >>> >>> It might be more productive for you to engage with engineers within the >>> specific area of JDK you are interested in (via appropriate mailing list) >>> to see what suggestions they have for things to work on. >>> >>> David >>> >>> Konstantin. >>>> >>>> >> > From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com Tue Aug 13 11:29:54 2013 From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:29:54 +0100 Subject: How to find a proper bug to fix In-Reply-To: References: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> Message-ID: <520A18B2.1010906@oracle.com> On 13/08/2013 11:15, Konstantin Perikov wrote: > Hi, Martin. > > Could you point me the direction of work for adopt OpenJDK? As I understand > this is not actually an OpenJDK, but some kind of a helper? > In one of your mails you mentioned you had a "not a big deal" fix so it sounds like you have something already. One hard thing when starting out is finding the right list to discuss a fix. There are many OpenJDK lists and it often requires a cheat sheet to get to the right place in one move. In general I think folks are helpful on the mailing lists and will get you to the right place in a maximum of two moves. One thing to know is that the "listinfo" pages for many of the mailing lists have a list of the areas and APIs that folks on that mailing list maintain, so that might help. To my knowledge there isn't a starter cheat sheet although I think I heard Martijn mention at one point that he (or someone else in the LUC) were considering creating one. -Alan. From martijnverburg at gmail.com Tue Aug 13 11:31:08 2013 From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:31:08 +0100 Subject: How to find a proper bug to fix In-Reply-To: <520A18B2.1010906@oracle.com> References: <5209E47F.2020303@oracle.com> <520A18B2.1010906@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan, Yep we've got a starter cheat sheet that Mani's been working on. It maps packages/classes to mailing lists, should be released soon. Cheers, Martijn On 13 August 2013 12:29, Alan Bateman wrote: > On 13/08/2013 11:15, Konstantin Perikov wrote: > >> Hi, Martin. >> >> Could you point me the direction of work for adopt OpenJDK? As I >> understand >> this is not actually an OpenJDK, but some kind of a helper? >> >> In one of your mails you mentioned you had a "not a big deal" fix so it > sounds like you have something already. One hard thing when starting out is > finding the right list to discuss a fix. There are many OpenJDK lists and > it often requires a cheat sheet to get to the right place in one move. In > general I think folks are helpful on the mailing lists and will get you to > the right place in a maximum of two moves. One thing to know is that the > "listinfo" pages for many of the mailing lists have a list of the areas and > APIs that folks on that mailing list maintain, so that might help. To my > knowledge there isn't a starter cheat sheet although I think I heard > Martijn mention at one point that he (or someone else in the LUC) were > considering creating one. > > -Alan. > From franz.van.betteraey at googlemail.com Wed Aug 14 18:29:31 2013 From: franz.van.betteraey at googlemail.com (Franz van Betteraey) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:29:31 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Java Code Conventions Update In-Reply-To: References: <51ED8585.2060202@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hi Martijn, hi all, good thought! If it is more likely to keep the Code Conventions alive when the are kept under version control than someone (official) should do that. I lately noticed the Semantic Versioning Specification (http://semver.org/) which is maintained using a GitHub project ( https://github.com/mojombo/semver). Maybe the Java Code Conventions can be maintained the same way. It even would be a help for the tools that check the conventions if they have a common understanding of them. Kind regards Franz ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Martijn Verburg Date: 2013/8/7 Subject: Re: Java Code Conventions Update To: Franz van Betteraey Hi all, Idle thought. It tends to be easier to maintain conventions in the form of rules defined by tools such as checkstyle. Conventions docs that sit in wikis or books tend to bit rot whereas a configuration file stored in source control tends to stay alive. Cheers, Martijn On 6 August 2013 22:05, Franz van Betteraey < franz.van.betteraey at googlemail.com> wrote: > I just noticed that there are two (very) old bug reports related to the > Code Conventions topic: > > JDK-4785435 : bugs in CodeConventions on java.sun.com/docs/codeconv > http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4785435 > > last comment: > > EVALUATION > We no longer support this document, for it has been replaced by > Josh Bloch's book "Effective Java". This document served its purpose > when no other existed, but it has reached the end of its life. > ###@###.### 2002-12-17 > > > > JDK-4797268 : Code conventions need to be updated > http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4797268 > > last comment: > > EVALUATION > Yes, we do need an updated code conventions doc. (20096-07-30) > > > > Both are closed with the "Won't fix" resolution. I wonder whether the > document is to be kept up to date at all. If not it would be better to mark > it as deprecated and point to alternative (up-to-date) resources (if they > exist). > > Regards > Franz > > > 2013/7/22 Franz van Betteraey > > > Hi there, > > > > I find it very helpful that Java Code Conventions exist for a long time > > now. They really "improve the readability of the software, allowing > > engineers to understand new code more quickly and thoroughly" (from the > > Code Conventions web page). > > > > But while the Java language evolves the code conventions remain the same. > > Since the Java Code Conventions were last updated in 1999 several new > Java > > language features were introduced including lambdas in the upcoming > version > > of Java 8. > > > > Would it not be nice to update the Code Conventions so that we do not > need > > to follow rules from the last century in Java 8 (which are not bad but > > probably missing relevant parts)? > > > > I wonder if (or where) someone could make an "official" request for this. > > Dalibor Topic suggested to bring this up on this discussion list ( > > https://twitter.com/robilad/**status/338350845315928064< > https://twitter.com/robilad/status/338350845315928064>) > > > - so that's what I do now. > > > > Thanks for any support on this. > > > > Kind regards > > Franz > > >