From rory.odonnell at oracle.com  Tue Jan  8 13:41:25 2013
From: rory.odonnell at oracle.com (Rory O'Donnell Oracle, Dublin Ireland)
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:41:25 +0000
Subject: Early Access Build Test Results
Message-ID: <50EC2205.3020703@oracle.com>


Starting this week, we will begin posting test results every week.  
These results are generated by running
the open regression tests on the JDK 8 Early Access Build on Oracle 
Linux 6.

Results for the latest Early Access build will be posted, usually within 
two to three days of the build
becoming available.  Test results for build 71 are now available at 
http://jdk8.java.net

Please refer to  the Documentation 
<http://download.java.net/jdk8/testresults/docs/howtoruntests.html> on 
how to execute the tests.

Rgds, Rory

-- 
Quality Engineering Manager
Oracle EMEA , Dublin, Ireland








From nagappan at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 01:07:30 2013
From: nagappan at gmail.com (Nagappan Alagappan)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:07:30 -0800
Subject: [Ann] Cobra 3.0 - Windows GUI test automation tool
Message-ID: <CAJk6DvVeb3z8v3b6ftGrfWyf9x57Y2xx-D+M4aVu-vU+-DTZKg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Highlights:

- Added getcellsize / getcellvalue, returns table cell size and value
respectively
- API getaccesskey() is available, it returns the access key of a control
- API appunderteset() is available, it is used to assign tested application
to improve test speed and performance
- Fix the missing window issue
- Fix some i18n/l10n environment issues
- API getcombovalue() is available, it returns a default value of a combobox
- Fix combobox operation problem in APIs: comboselect / verifyselect /
showlist / hidelist / getallitem
- Fix inaccurate waiting time problem in hastate()
- Fix shift key problem in enterstring()

Credit:

- John Yingjun Li <yingjunli at gmail.com>
- VMware colleagues

Please spread the word and also share your feedback with us (email
me: nagappan at gmail.com).

About LDTP:

Cross Platform GUI test automation tool Linux version is LDTP, Windows
version is Cobra and Mac version is PyATOM.

* Linux version is known to work on GNOME / KDE (QT >= 4.8) / Java Swing
/ LibreOffice / Mozilla application on all major Linux distribution
* Windows version is known to work on application written in .NET / C++
/ Java / QT on Windows XP SP3 / Vista SP2 / Windows 7 SP1 / Windows 8.
* Mac version is known to work on OS X Snow Leopard /Lion/Mountain Lion.
Where ever PyATOM runs, LDTP should work on it.

Tests can be written in: Python/Ruby/Perl/Java/C#/Clojure/VB.NET/PowerShell

Download source: https://github.com/ldtp/cobra

Download binary (Windows XP / Vista / Windows 7 / Windows 8):
https://github.com/ldtp/cobra/downloads
System requirement: .NET 3.5, refer README.txt after installation

Documentation references:

For detailed information on LDTP framework and latest updates visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org

For information on various APIs in LDTP including those added for
this release can be got from http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/user-doc/index.html
Java doc - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/javadoc/

Report bugs - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs

To subscribe to LDTP mailing lists, visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Mailing_20list

IRC Channel - #ldtp on irc.freenode.net

Thanks
Nagappan

-- 
Cross platform GUI testing
Linux Desktop (GUI Application) Testing Project -
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org
Cobra - Windows GUI Automation tool - https://github.com/ldtp/cobra
ATOMac - Mac GUI Automation tool - https://github.com/pyatom/pyatom
http://nagappanal.blogspot.com


From nagappan at gmail.com  Wed Jan  9 03:50:28 2013
From: nagappan at gmail.com (Nagappan Alagappan)
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:50:28 -0800
Subject: [Ann] Cobra 3.0 - Windows GUI test automation tool
In-Reply-To: <CAJk6DvVeb3z8v3b6ftGrfWyf9x57Y2xx-D+M4aVu-vU+-DTZKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJk6DvVeb3z8v3b6ftGrfWyf9x57Y2xx-D+M4aVu-vU+-DTZKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJk6DvXbDtEPJnnfqRZCGbEZdJvSyAizk6EFB-FoPtLLRqCJXg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Apologize for the inconvenience.

Correction in binary download:
http://code.google.com/p/cobra-winldtp/downloads/list

Thanks
Nagappan


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Nagappan Alagappan <nagappan at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Highlights:
>
> - Added getcellsize / getcellvalue, returns table cell size and value
> respectively
> - API getaccesskey() is available, it returns the access key of a control
> - API appunderteset() is available, it is used to assign tested
> application to improve test speed and performance
> - Fix the missing window issue
> - Fix some i18n/l10n environment issues
> - API getcombovalue() is available, it returns a default value of a
> combobox
> - Fix combobox operation problem in APIs: comboselect / verifyselect /
> showlist / hidelist / getallitem
> - Fix inaccurate waiting time problem in hastate()
> - Fix shift key problem in enterstring()
>
> Credit:
>
> - John Yingjun Li <yingjunli at gmail.com>
> - VMware colleagues
>
> Please spread the word and also share your feedback with us (email
> me: nagappan at gmail.com).
>
> About LDTP:
>
> Cross Platform GUI test automation tool Linux version is LDTP, Windows
> version is Cobra and Mac version is PyATOM.
>
> * Linux version is known to work on GNOME / KDE (QT >= 4.8) / Java Swing
> / LibreOffice / Mozilla application on all major Linux distribution
> * Windows version is known to work on application written in .NET / C++
> / Java / QT on Windows XP SP3 / Vista SP2 / Windows 7 SP1 / Windows 8.
> * Mac version is known to work on OS X Snow Leopard /Lion/Mountain Lion.
> Where ever PyATOM runs, LDTP should work on it.
>
> Tests can be written in: Python/Ruby/Perl/Java/C#/Clojure/
> VB.NET/PowerShell
>
> Download source: https://github.com/ldtp/cobra
>
> Download binary (Windows XP / Vista / Windows 7 / Windows 8):
> https://github.com/ldtp/cobra/downloads
> System requirement: .NET 3.5, refer README.txt after installation
>
> Documentation references:
>
> For detailed information on LDTP framework and latest updates visit
> http://ldtp.freedesktop.org
>
> For information on various APIs in LDTP including those added for
> this release can be got from
> http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/user-doc/index.html
> Java doc - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/javadoc/
>
> Report bugs - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs
>
> To subscribe to LDTP mailing lists, visit
> http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Mailing_20list
>
> IRC Channel - #ldtp on irc.freenode.net
>
> Thanks
> Nagappan
>
> --
> Cross platform GUI testing
> Linux Desktop (GUI Application) Testing Project -
> http://ldtp.freedesktop.org
> Cobra - Windows GUI Automation tool - https://github.com/ldtp/cobra
> ATOMac - Mac GUI Automation tool - https://github.com/pyatom/pyatom
> http://nagappanal.blogspot.com
>
>


-- 
Cross platform GUI testing
Linux Desktop (GUI Application) Testing Project -
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org
Cobra - Windows GUI Automation tool - https://github.com/ldtp/cobra
ATOMac - Mac GUI Automation tool - https://github.com/pyatom/pyatom
http://nagappanal.blogspot.com


From sean.coffey at oracle.com  Thu Jan 10 19:03:14 2013
From: sean.coffey at oracle.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=E1n_Coffey?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:03:14 +0000
Subject: Early Access Build Test Results
In-Reply-To: <50EC2205.3020703@oracle.com>
References: <50EC2205.3020703@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <50EF1072.2000600@oracle.com>

Good to see testing getting more focus in the OpenJDK forum Rory.

Any plans to use an OpenJDK binary rather than the EA builds ?
Also - have you plans to increase the OS range and perhaps add OpenJDK 
7u to the test matrix ?

regards,
Sean.

On 08/01/2013 13:41, Rory O'Donnell Oracle, Dublin Ireland wrote:
>
> Starting this week, we will begin posting test results every week.  
> These results are generated by running
> the open regression tests on the JDK 8 Early Access Build on Oracle 
> Linux 6.
>
> Results for the latest Early Access build will be posted, usually 
> within two to three days of the build
> becoming available.  Test results for build 71 are now available at 
> http://jdk8.java.net
>
> Please refer to  the Documentation 
> <http://download.java.net/jdk8/testresults/docs/howtoruntests.html> on 
> how to execute the tests.
>
> Rgds, Rory
>



From rory.odonnell at oracle.com  Fri Jan 11 10:44:37 2013
From: rory.odonnell at oracle.com (Rory O'Donnell Oracle, Dublin Ireland)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:44:37 +0000
Subject: Early Access Build Test Results
In-Reply-To: <50EF1072.2000600@oracle.com>
References: <50EC2205.3020703@oracle.com> <50EF1072.2000600@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <50EFED15.9070309@oracle.com>

Hi Sean,


On 10/01/2013 19:03, Se?n Coffey wrote:
> Good to see testing getting more focus in the OpenJDK forum Rory.
>
> Any plans to use an OpenJDK binary rather than the EA builds ?
No, we want to execute tests on builds that everyone can access and 
expect to
have the same results as we are posting.
> Also - have you plans to increase the OS range and perhaps add OpenJDK 
> 7u to the test matrix ?
>
Not at the moment, but I don't see why not in the future.

Rgds,Rory

> regards,
> Sean.
>
> On 08/01/2013 13:41, Rory O'Donnell Oracle, Dublin Ireland wrote:
>>
>> Starting this week, we will begin posting test results every week.  
>> These results are generated by running
>> the open regression tests on the JDK 8 Early Access Build on Oracle 
>> Linux 6.
>>
>> Results for the latest Early Access build will be posted, usually 
>> within two to three days of the build
>> becoming available.  Test results for build 71 are now available at 
>> http://jdk8.java.net
>>
>> Please refer to  the Documentation 
>> <http://download.java.net/jdk8/testresults/docs/howtoruntests.html> 
>> on how to execute the tests.
>>
>> Rgds, Rory
>>
>

-- 
Rgds,
Rory O'Donnell

Senior Quality Engineering Manager
Java Development Group
Oracle EMEA, Block P5,
East Point Business Park, Dublin 3
Phone: +353 (0)1 8033887







From fcassia at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 02:26:06 2013
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:26:06 -0300
Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 and JAMVM
Message-ID: <CACGw4H6OfBB3GCKz3QJY9FUPJh62x7w4yDLQHi+pjmsXAYst8A@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone has got any idea as to why Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, when told to
install OpenJDK 7, installs JAMVM instead of HotSpot?
The rest of the installed packages look fine, but I?m curious as to
why they choose JAMVM...

FC



-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwell


From fcassia at gmail.com  Tue Jan 15 09:58:36 2013
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:58:36 -0300
Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 and JAMVM
In-Reply-To: <CAMaYbv+zEv4FGGF+40ZWP8CmkixOEHxwvjGVfwy_NU2Esux34Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACGw4H6OfBB3GCKz3QJY9FUPJh62x7w4yDLQHi+pjmsXAYst8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMaYbv+zEv4FGGF+40ZWP8CmkixOEHxwvjGVfwy_NU2Esux34Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACGw4H6Ui-vYs0qGXrgnoee1AjCabi8MMrk7Uq3HnEL-NiMhVw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Richard Warburton
<richard.warburton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> JAM VM is the default on ARM [0], is that the platform you're installing on?
> regards,
>   Richard Warburton

Thanks Richard

No this is i386... 32-bit Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on a Virtualbox VM as guest
under 32-bit XP SP3...

----
$ java -version

The program 'java' can be found in the following packages:

* default-jre
* gcj-4.6-jre-headless
* openjdk-6-jre-headless
* gcj-4.5-jre-headless
* openjdk-7-jre-headless
Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>

user at VBox:~$ sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre-headless
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done

The following extra packages will be installed:
ca-certificates-java **icedtea-7-jre-jamvm** java-common openjdk-7-jre-lib
tzdata-java

Suggested packages:

default-jre equivs sun-java6-fonts ttf-dejavu-extra fonts-ipafont-gothic
fonts-ipafont-mincho ttf-telugu-fonts ttf-oriya-fonts ttf-kannada-fonts
ttf-bengali-fonts

The following NEW packages will be installed:

ca-certificates-java **icedtea-7-jre-jamvm** java-common
openjdk-7-jre-headless
openjdk-7-jre-lib tzdata-java

0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 44.1 MB of archives.

After this operation, 63.4 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
---

FC
-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwell


From fcassia at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 03:54:26 2013
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:54:26 -0300
Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 and JAMVM
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyoWRzpTHEVDwQ-M_wnXmtear=k7YSz1D=7hF+rRkxja7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACGw4H6OfBB3GCKz3QJY9FUPJh62x7w4yDLQHi+pjmsXAYst8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMaYbv+zEv4FGGF+40ZWP8CmkixOEHxwvjGVfwy_NU2Esux34Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACGw4H6Ui-vYs0qGXrgnoee1AjCabi8MMrk7Uq3HnEL-NiMhVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyoWRzpTHEVDwQ-M_wnXmtear=k7YSz1D=7hF+rRkxja7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACGw4H5bkW4j6skm0w7y5M7+bCxfi-aDyQrneCnA1hjFSnBqFw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Can i know, what is bad of jamvm
> Thx

Can I know why you ask, or what you imply -if anything-?. I only asked
why the choice.

Perhaps there?s some hidden package in ubuntu 12.04 that gives
hotspot, I don?t know. I?m just following the options presented after
typing "java -version" on a fresh Ubuntu installation.

FC



-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwell


From fcassia at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 04:02:54 2013
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:02:54 -0300
Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 and JAMVM
In-Reply-To: <CAOeeQyoWRzpTHEVDwQ-M_wnXmtear=k7YSz1D=7hF+rRkxja7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACGw4H6OfBB3GCKz3QJY9FUPJh62x7w4yDLQHi+pjmsXAYst8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMaYbv+zEv4FGGF+40ZWP8CmkixOEHxwvjGVfwy_NU2Esux34Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACGw4H6Ui-vYs0qGXrgnoee1AjCabi8MMrk7Uq3HnEL-NiMhVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOeeQyoWRzpTHEVDwQ-M_wnXmtear=k7YSz1D=7hF+rRkxja7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACGw4H7j7FgaGQ9pe==7AC7DBPCWLmR_V3L7KOW5TCriEavPJQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> Can i know, what is bad of jamvm

Nothing, it?s just a different implementation, hence, I?d like to keep
my different systems running the same config of OpenJDK, so if I run
into a problem, I know it?s a problem of the app and not that I?ve run
into a problem of a certain VM.

FC


-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwell


From fcassia at gmail.com  Wed Jan 16 04:25:16 2013
From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:25:16 -0300
Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 and JAMVM
In-Reply-To: <CAMaYbv+zEv4FGGF+40ZWP8CmkixOEHxwvjGVfwy_NU2Esux34Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACGw4H6OfBB3GCKz3QJY9FUPJh62x7w4yDLQHi+pjmsXAYst8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMaYbv+zEv4FGGF+40ZWP8CmkixOEHxwvjGVfwy_NU2Esux34Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACGw4H4dG+CdHrGZ58mWFq2oDtDftnp=xrdxeVJwEkkvi3ZjWw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Richard Warburton
<richard.warburton at gmail.com> wrote:
> JAM VM is the default on ARM [0], is that the platform you're installing on?

Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS on 32-bit x86

oh, this sheds some light:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7

icedtea-7-jre-cacao: Transitional package for obsolete Cacao JVM for OpenJDK
icedtea-7-jre-jamvm: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
openjdk-7-dbg: Java runtime based on OpenJDK (debugging symbols)
openjdk-7-demo: Java runtime based on OpenJDK (demos and examples)
openjdk-7-doc: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) documentation
openjdk-7-jdk: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)
openjdk-7-jre: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
openjdk-7-jre-headless: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero (headless)
openjdk-7-jre-lib: OpenJDK Java runtime (architecture independent libraries)
openjdk-7-jre-zero: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using Zero/Shark
openjdk-7-source: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) source files

So it looks like I should be installing package ?openjdk-7-jre?, which
was NOT listed among the options when one types ?java? on a freshly
installed Ubuntu system.

It?s a bit odd that calling "java" when it?s not installed only gives
JAM VM and Cacao as options, and openjdk-7-jre is not listed. As if
they don?t want Hotspot installed.

Maybe I should file a bug to have openjdk-7-jre shown along the other
alternatives...

But this brings another question:

icedtea-7-jre-cacao: Transitional package for obsolete Cacao JVM for OpenJDK
icedtea-7-jre-jamvm: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM

does this mean that Icedtea -the browser plug-in- can only be used
with JamVM and Cacao in Ubuntu?

FC

-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwell


From aph at redhat.com  Wed Jan 16 15:08:06 2013
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:08:06 +0000
Subject: Discuss: New project: AArch64
Message-ID: <50F6C256.3000309@redhat.com>

I intend to propose the creation of the "AArch64 Port" Project with me,
Andrew Haley, as the Lead and the Porters Group as the sponsoring
Group.

The goal of the project will be to provide a full-featured and
certified version of OpenJDK on the Linux/AArch64 platform which can
be integrated into the main OpenJDK branch.  AArch64 is the 64-bit
mode of ARMv8 [3]; it is a completely new architecture, and is not
compatible with the 32-bit ARM instruction set.  We hope that this
project will eventually be able to support operating systems other
than Linux, and will welcome contributors with the necessary
expertise.

We (Red Hat) already have a template interpreter.  We have also
written a functional simulator that is linked to the Java VM.  This
simulator features debugging support integrated with GDB and has a
full set of trace and breakpoint commands.  Real AArch64 hardware is
not yet available, but anyone with a x86_64 based Linux system will be
able to run and test the AArch64 JDK.

This implementation is based on JDK 8.

The next steps in the project are:

* Write a C1 compiler.
* Write a C2 compiler.
* Run on real hardware.

As an intermediate step, it may be useful to run on simulators other
than our own.

Followed ultimately by:

* Merge into JDK 8.

The initial committer will be:
Andrew Dinn.

We will, of course, welcome contributions from anyone with cycles to
spare.

Andrew.


From gnu.andrew at redhat.com  Thu Jan 17 13:13:36 2013
From: gnu.andrew at redhat.com (Andrew Hughes)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:13:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 and JAMVM
In-Reply-To: <CACGw4H4dG+CdHrGZ58mWFq2oDtDftnp=xrdxeVJwEkkvi3ZjWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1662707051.6348863.1358428416257.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>



----- Original Message -----
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Richard Warburton
> <richard.warburton at gmail.com> wrote:
> > JAM VM is the default on ARM [0], is that the platform you're
> > installing on?
> 
> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS on 32-bit x86
> 
> oh, this sheds some light:
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7
> 
> icedtea-7-jre-cacao: Transitional package for obsolete Cacao JVM for
> OpenJDK
> icedtea-7-jre-jamvm: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
> openjdk-7-dbg: Java runtime based on OpenJDK (debugging symbols)
> openjdk-7-demo: Java runtime based on OpenJDK (demos and examples)
> openjdk-7-doc: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) documentation
> openjdk-7-jdk: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)
> openjdk-7-jre: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
> openjdk-7-jre-headless: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
> (headless)
> openjdk-7-jre-lib: OpenJDK Java runtime (architecture independent
> libraries)
> openjdk-7-jre-zero: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using Zero/Shark
> openjdk-7-source: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) source files
> 
> So it looks like I should be installing package ?openjdk-7-jre?,
> which
> was NOT listed among the options when one types ?java? on a freshly
> installed Ubuntu system.
> 
> It?s a bit odd that calling "java" when it?s not installed only gives
> JAM VM and Cacao as options, and openjdk-7-jre is not listed. As if
> they don?t want Hotspot installed.
> 
> Maybe I should file a bug to have openjdk-7-jre shown along the other
> alternatives...
> 
> But this brings another question:
> 
> icedtea-7-jre-cacao: Transitional package for obsolete Cacao JVM for
> OpenJDK
> icedtea-7-jre-jamvm: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
> 
> does this mean that Icedtea -the browser plug-in- can only be used
> with JamVM and Cacao in Ubuntu?
> 
> FC
> 
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
> Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en
> un
> Acto Revolucionario
> - George Orwell
> 

This is baffling to me.  I don't know what Ubuntu's reasoning is here, but
you don't want:

openjdk-7-jre: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero

as this won't make use of the x86 HotSpot JIT, instead being purely interpreted
(and thus very slow).

Wondering where the standard HotSpot is... :-S
-- 
Andrew :)

Free Java Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com)

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From neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com  Thu Jan 17 16:02:24 2013
From: neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com (Mario Torre)
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:02:24 +0100
Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 and JAMVM
In-Reply-To: <1662707051.6348863.1358428416257.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
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I may be wrong, but I think is this:

openjdk-7-jdk

Cheers,
Mario

2013/1/17 Andrew Hughes <gnu.andrew at redhat.com>:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Richard Warburton
>> <richard.warburton at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > JAM VM is the default on ARM [0], is that the platform you're
>> > installing on?
>>
>> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS on 32-bit x86
>>
>> oh, this sheds some light:
>> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7
>>
>> icedtea-7-jre-cacao: Transitional package for obsolete Cacao JVM for
>> OpenJDK
>> icedtea-7-jre-jamvm: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
>> openjdk-7-dbg: Java runtime based on OpenJDK (debugging symbols)
>> openjdk-7-demo: Java runtime based on OpenJDK (demos and examples)
>> openjdk-7-doc: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) documentation
>> openjdk-7-jdk: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)
>> openjdk-7-jre: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
>> openjdk-7-jre-headless: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
>> (headless)
>> openjdk-7-jre-lib: OpenJDK Java runtime (architecture independent
>> libraries)
>> openjdk-7-jre-zero: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using Zero/Shark
>> openjdk-7-source: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) source files
>>
>> So it looks like I should be installing package ?openjdk-7-jre?,
>> which
>> was NOT listed among the options when one types ?java? on a freshly
>> installed Ubuntu system.
>>
>> It?s a bit odd that calling "java" when it?s not installed only gives
>> JAM VM and Cacao as options, and openjdk-7-jre is not listed. As if
>> they don?t want Hotspot installed.
>>
>> Maybe I should file a bug to have openjdk-7-jre shown along the other
>> alternatives...
>>
>> But this brings another question:
>>
>> icedtea-7-jre-cacao: Transitional package for obsolete Cacao JVM for
>> OpenJDK
>> icedtea-7-jre-jamvm: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
>>
>> does this mean that Icedtea -the browser plug-in- can only be used
>> with JamVM and Cacao in Ubuntu?
>>
>> FC
>>
>> --
>> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
>> revolutionary act
>> Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en
>> un
>> Acto Revolucionario
>> - George Orwell
>>
>
> This is baffling to me.  I don't know what Ubuntu's reasoning is here, but
> you don't want:
>
> openjdk-7-jre: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
>
> as this won't make use of the x86 HotSpot JIT, instead being purely interpreted
> (and thus very slow).
>
> Wondering where the standard HotSpot is... :-S
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From gnu.andrew at redhat.com  Fri Jan 18 20:31:28 2013
From: gnu.andrew at redhat.com (Andrew Hughes)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:31:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ubuntu 12.04 and JAMVM
In-Reply-To: <CAGUMyaTgDWMZpqhJH9cofHpUjjr0rFUL_uzk2CFhqwVra8xv-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1313963222.1163166.1358541088195.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>

----- Original Message -----
> I may be wrong, but I think is this:
> 
> openjdk-7-jdk
> 
> Cheers,
> Mario
> 
> 2013/1/17 Andrew Hughes <gnu.andrew at redhat.com>:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Richard Warburton
> >> <richard.warburton at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > JAM VM is the default on ARM [0], is that the platform you're
> >> > installing on?
> >>
> >> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS on 32-bit x86
> >>
> >> oh, this sheds some light:
> >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7
> >>
> >> icedtea-7-jre-cacao: Transitional package for obsolete Cacao JVM
> >> for
> >> OpenJDK
> >> icedtea-7-jre-jamvm: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
> >> openjdk-7-dbg: Java runtime based on OpenJDK (debugging symbols)
> >> openjdk-7-demo: Java runtime based on OpenJDK (demos and examples)
> >> openjdk-7-doc: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) documentation
> >> openjdk-7-jdk: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK)
> >> openjdk-7-jre: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
> >> openjdk-7-jre-headless: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
> >> (headless)
> >> openjdk-7-jre-lib: OpenJDK Java runtime (architecture independent
> >> libraries)
> >> openjdk-7-jre-zero: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using Zero/Shark
> >> openjdk-7-source: OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) source files
> >>
> >> So it looks like I should be installing package ?openjdk-7-jre?,
> >> which
> >> was NOT listed among the options when one types ?java? on a
> >> freshly
> >> installed Ubuntu system.
> >>
> >> It?s a bit odd that calling "java" when it?s not installed only
> >> gives
> >> JAM VM and Cacao as options, and openjdk-7-jre is not listed. As
> >> if
> >> they don?t want Hotspot installed.
> >>
> >> Maybe I should file a bug to have openjdk-7-jre shown along the
> >> other
> >> alternatives...
> >>
> >> But this brings another question:
> >>
> >> icedtea-7-jre-cacao: Transitional package for obsolete Cacao JVM
> >> for
> >> OpenJDK
> >> icedtea-7-jre-jamvm: Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
> >>
> >> does this mean that Icedtea -the browser plug-in- can only be used
> >> with JamVM and Cacao in Ubuntu?
> >>
> >> FC
> >>
> >> --
> >> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> >> revolutionary act
> >> Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte
> >> en
> >> un
> >> Acto Revolucionario
> >> - George Orwell
> >>
> >
> > This is baffling to me.  I don't know what Ubuntu's reasoning is
> > here, but
> > you don't want:
> >
> > openjdk-7-jre: OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot Zero
> >
> > as this won't make use of the x86 HotSpot JIT, instead being purely
> > interpreted
> > (and thus very slow).
> >
> > Wondering where the standard HotSpot is... :-S
> > --
> > Andrew :)
> >
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I think this may have gone too far in offering lots of choice and started
confusing users.  Both Fedora & Gentoo tend to pick one solution for
architectures without a JIT (Zero for the former, CACAO the latter)
and stick with the upstream supported JIT for x86, x86_64 and SPARC.

Mario, please don't top-post ;)

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From neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com  Tue Jan 22 16:54:35 2013
From: neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com (Mario Torre)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:54:35 +0100
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUMyaRxC70tcaMdmtcXweu-zfHwKQ3NQGaDkBnni88UhTQnqg@mail.gmail.com>

Vote: Yes,

Cheers,
Mario

2013/1/22 Andrew Haley <aph at redhat.com>:
> I hereby propose the creation of the "AArch64 Port" Project with me,
> Andrew Haley, as the Lead and the Porters Group as the sponsoring
> Group.
>
> The goal of the project will be to provide a full-featured and
> certified version of OpenJDK on the Linux/AArch64 platform which can
> be integrated into the main OpenJDK branch.  AArch64 is the 64-bit
> mode of ARMv8 [3]; it is a completely new architecture, and is not
> compatible with the 32-bit ARM instruction set.  We hope that this
> project will eventually be able to support operating systems other
> than GNU/Linux, and will welcome contributors with the necessary
> expertise.
>
> We (Red Hat) already have a template interpreter.  We have also
> written a functional simulator that is linked to the Java VM.  This
> simulator features debugging support integrated with GDB and has a
> full set of trace and breakpoint commands.  Real AArch64 hardware is
> not yet available, but anyone with a x86_64 based Linux system will be
> able to run and test the AArch64 JDK.
>
> This implementation is based on JDK 8.
>
> The next steps in the project are:
>
> * Write a C1 compiler.
> * Write a C2 compiler.
> * Run on real hardware.
>
> As an intermediate step, it may be useful to run on simulators other
> than our own.
>
> Followed ultimately by:
>
> * Merge into JDK 8.
>
> I, the project lead, am Andrew Haley.  I have been an OpenJDK
> committer for several years, am an elected member of the OpenJDK
> governing board, and Red Hat's representative on the Java SE 8
> Platform Umbrella JSR (337) Expert Group.
>
> The other initial committer will be:
> Andrew Dinn.
>
> We will, of course, welcome contributions from anyone with cycles to
> spare.
>
> Votes are due by Tue Feb 5 12:00 GMT 2013.
>
> Only current OpenJDK Members [1] are eligible to vote on this
> motion.  Votes must be cast in the open by replying to to this
> mailing list.
>
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [2].
>
> Andrew Haley.
>
> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members
> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote
> [3] http://www.arm.com/products/processors/armv8-architecture.php



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From ChrisPhi at LGonQn.Org  Tue Jan 22 17:21:41 2013
From: ChrisPhi at LGonQn.Org (Chris Phillips @ T O)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:21:41 -0500
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <50FECAA5.6090307@LGonQn.Org>

Vote: yes

Chris

On 22/01/13 06:09 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I hereby propose the creation of the "AArch64 Port" Project with me,
> Andrew Haley, as the Lead and the Porters Group as the sponsoring
> Group.
>
> The goal of the project will be to provide a full-featured and
> certified version of OpenJDK on the Linux/AArch64 platform which can
> be integrated into the main OpenJDK branch.  AArch64 is the 64-bit
> mode of ARMv8 [3]; it is a completely new architecture, and is not
> compatible with the 32-bit ARM instruction set.  We hope that this
> project will eventually be able to support operating systems other
> than GNU/Linux, and will welcome contributors with the necessary
> expertise.
>
> We (Red Hat) already have a template interpreter.  We have also
> written a functional simulator that is linked to the Java VM.  This
> simulator features debugging support integrated with GDB and has a
> full set of trace and breakpoint commands.  Real AArch64 hardware is
> not yet available, but anyone with a x86_64 based Linux system will be
> able to run and test the AArch64 JDK.
>
> This implementation is based on JDK 8.
>
> The next steps in the project are:
>
> * Write a C1 compiler.
> * Write a C2 compiler.
> * Run on real hardware.
>
> As an intermediate step, it may be useful to run on simulators other
> than our own.
>
> Followed ultimately by:
>
> * Merge into JDK 8.
>
> I, the project lead, am Andrew Haley.  I have been an OpenJDK
> committer for several years, am an elected member of the OpenJDK
> governing board, and Red Hat's representative on the Java SE 8
> Platform Umbrella JSR (337) Expert Group.
>
> The other initial committer will be:
> Andrew Dinn.
>
> We will, of course, welcome contributions from anyone with cycles to
> spare.
>
> Votes are due by Tue Feb 5 12:00 GMT 2013.
>
> Only current OpenJDK Members [1] are eligible to vote on this
> motion.  Votes must be cast in the open by replying to to this
> mailing list.
>
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [2].
>
> Andrew Haley.
>
> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members
> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote
> [3] http://www.arm.com/products/processors/armv8-architecture.php
>
>



From omajid at redhat.com  Tue Jan 22 17:34:53 2013
From: omajid at redhat.com (Omair Majid)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:34:53 -0500
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <50FECDBD.1050408@redhat.com>

On 01/22/2013 06:09 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I hereby propose the creation of the "AArch64 Port" Project with me,
> Andrew Haley, as the Lead and the Porters Group as the sponsoring
> Group.

Vote: Yes

Omair

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From mark.reinhold at oracle.com  Tue Jan 22 17:40:52 2013
From: mark.reinhold at oracle.com (mark.reinhold at oracle.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:40:52 -0800
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: aph@redhat.com; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:09:18 GMT;
	<50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20130122174052.29ABA99B@eggemoggin.niobe.net>

Vote: yes

- Mark


From dalibor.topic at oracle.com  Tue Jan 22 17:52:57 2013
From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:52:57 +0100
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <50FED1F9.8060303@oracle.com>

Vote: Yes.

cheers,
dalibor topic

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From dbhole at redhat.com  Tue Jan 22 17:57:29 2013
From: dbhole at redhat.com (Deepak Bhole)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:57:29 -0500
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20130122175728.GD5019@redhat.com>

* Andrew Haley <aph at redhat.com> [2013-01-22 11:53]:
> I hereby propose the creation of the "AArch64 Port" Project with me,
> Andrew Haley, as the Lead and the Porters Group as the sponsoring
> Group.

Vote: Yes

Deepak

> 
> The goal of the project will be to provide a full-featured and
> certified version of OpenJDK on the Linux/AArch64 platform which can
> be integrated into the main OpenJDK branch.  AArch64 is the 64-bit
> mode of ARMv8 [3]; it is a completely new architecture, and is not
> compatible with the 32-bit ARM instruction set.  We hope that this
> project will eventually be able to support operating systems other
> than GNU/Linux, and will welcome contributors with the necessary
> expertise.
> 
> We (Red Hat) already have a template interpreter.  We have also
> written a functional simulator that is linked to the Java VM.  This
> simulator features debugging support integrated with GDB and has a
> full set of trace and breakpoint commands.  Real AArch64 hardware is
> not yet available, but anyone with a x86_64 based Linux system will be
> able to run and test the AArch64 JDK.
> 
> This implementation is based on JDK 8.
> 
> The next steps in the project are:
> 
> * Write a C1 compiler.
> * Write a C2 compiler.
> * Run on real hardware.
> 
> As an intermediate step, it may be useful to run on simulators other
> than our own.
> 
> Followed ultimately by:
> 
> * Merge into JDK 8.
> 
> I, the project lead, am Andrew Haley.  I have been an OpenJDK
> committer for several years, am an elected member of the OpenJDK
> governing board, and Red Hat's representative on the Java SE 8
> Platform Umbrella JSR (337) Expert Group.
> 
> The other initial committer will be:
> Andrew Dinn.
> 
> We will, of course, welcome contributions from anyone with cycles to
> spare.
> 
> Votes are due by Tue Feb 5 12:00 GMT 2013.
> 
> Only current OpenJDK Members [1] are eligible to vote on this
> motion.  Votes must be cast in the open by replying to to this
> mailing list.
> 
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [2].
> 
> Andrew Haley.
> 
> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members
> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote
> [3] http://www.arm.com/products/processors/armv8-architecture.php


From roman at kennke.org  Tue Jan 22 18:07:51 2013
From: roman at kennke.org (Roman Kennke)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:07:51 +0100
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1358878071.29515.48.camel@mercury>

Am Dienstag, den 22.01.2013, 11:09 +0000 schrieb Andrew Haley:
> I hereby propose the creation of the "AArch64 Port" Project with me,
> Andrew Haley, as the Lead and the Porters Group as the sponsoring
> Group.
> 

Vote: Yes

Roman


> The goal of the project will be to provide a full-featured and
> certified version of OpenJDK on the Linux/AArch64 platform which can
> be integrated into the main OpenJDK branch.  AArch64 is the 64-bit
> mode of ARMv8 [3]; it is a completely new architecture, and is not
> compatible with the 32-bit ARM instruction set.  We hope that this
> project will eventually be able to support operating systems other
> than GNU/Linux, and will welcome contributors with the necessary
> expertise.
> 
> We (Red Hat) already have a template interpreter.  We have also
> written a functional simulator that is linked to the Java VM.  This
> simulator features debugging support integrated with GDB and has a
> full set of trace and breakpoint commands.  Real AArch64 hardware is
> not yet available, but anyone with a x86_64 based Linux system will be
> able to run and test the AArch64 JDK.
> 
> This implementation is based on JDK 8.
> 
> The next steps in the project are:
> 
> * Write a C1 compiler.
> * Write a C2 compiler.
> * Run on real hardware.
> 
> As an intermediate step, it may be useful to run on simulators other
> than our own.
> 
> Followed ultimately by:
> 
> * Merge into JDK 8.
> 
> I, the project lead, am Andrew Haley.  I have been an OpenJDK
> committer for several years, am an elected member of the OpenJDK
> governing board, and Red Hat's representative on the Java SE 8
> Platform Umbrella JSR (337) Expert Group.
> 
> The other initial committer will be:
> Andrew Dinn.
> 
> We will, of course, welcome contributions from anyone with cycles to
> spare.
> 
> Votes are due by Tue Feb 5 12:00 GMT 2013.
> 
> Only current OpenJDK Members [1] are eligible to vote on this
> motion.  Votes must be cast in the open by replying to to this
> mailing list.
> 
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [2].
> 
> Andrew Haley.
> 
> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members
> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote
> [3] http://www.arm.com/products/processors/armv8-architecture.php
> 




From tmarble at info9.net  Tue Jan 22 18:12:58 2013
From: tmarble at info9.net (Tom Marble)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:12:58 -0600
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <50FED6AA.9070509@info9.net>

Vote: Yes

--Tom


From david.katleman at oracle.com  Tue Jan 22 18:19:30 2013
From: david.katleman at oracle.com (David Katleman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:19:30 -0800
Subject: Discuss: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE732A.6030904@redhat.com>
References: <50FE732A.6030904@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <50FED832.3050705@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

Dave


From john.r.rose at oracle.com  Tue Jan 22 19:32:06 2013
From: john.r.rose at oracle.com (John Rose)
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:32:06 -0800
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <B05648AA-F1F4-4883-A390-8C0D9393A729@oracle.com>

Vote: yes



From david.holmes at oracle.com  Tue Jan 22 22:26:13 2013
From: david.holmes at oracle.com (David Holmes)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:26:13 +1000
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <50FF1205.5040302@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

David

On 22/01/2013 9:09 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I hereby propose the creation of the "AArch64 Port" Project with me,
> Andrew Haley, as the Lead and the Porters Group as the sponsoring
> Group.
>
> The goal of the project will be to provide a full-featured and
> certified version of OpenJDK on the Linux/AArch64 platform which can
> be integrated into the main OpenJDK branch.  AArch64 is the 64-bit
> mode of ARMv8 [3]; it is a completely new architecture, and is not
> compatible with the 32-bit ARM instruction set.  We hope that this
> project will eventually be able to support operating systems other
> than GNU/Linux, and will welcome contributors with the necessary
> expertise.
>
> We (Red Hat) already have a template interpreter.  We have also
> written a functional simulator that is linked to the Java VM.  This
> simulator features debugging support integrated with GDB and has a
> full set of trace and breakpoint commands.  Real AArch64 hardware is
> not yet available, but anyone with a x86_64 based Linux system will be
> able to run and test the AArch64 JDK.
>
> This implementation is based on JDK 8.
>
> The next steps in the project are:
>
> * Write a C1 compiler.
> * Write a C2 compiler.
> * Run on real hardware.
>
> As an intermediate step, it may be useful to run on simulators other
> than our own.
>
> Followed ultimately by:
>
> * Merge into JDK 8.
>
> I, the project lead, am Andrew Haley.  I have been an OpenJDK
> committer for several years, am an elected member of the OpenJDK
> governing board, and Red Hat's representative on the Java SE 8
> Platform Umbrella JSR (337) Expert Group.
>
> The other initial committer will be:
> Andrew Dinn.
>
> We will, of course, welcome contributions from anyone with cycles to
> spare.
>
> Votes are due by Tue Feb 5 12:00 GMT 2013.
>
> Only current OpenJDK Members [1] are eligible to vote on this
> motion.  Votes must be cast in the open by replying to to this
> mailing list.
>
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [2].
>
> Andrew Haley.
>
> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members
> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote
> [3] http://www.arm.com/products/processors/armv8-architecture.php


From iris.clark at oracle.com  Mon Jan 28 22:36:03 2013
From: iris.clark at oracle.com (Iris Clark)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:36:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <26bf5366-3754-4ecf-9682-8c4e1c90b0da@default>

Vote: yes

iris


From John.Coomes at oracle.com  Mon Jan 28 23:44:09 2013
From: John.Coomes at oracle.com (John Coomes)
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:44:09 -0800
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20743.3401.586607.292991@oracle.com>

Vote: yes

-John


From gnu.andrew at redhat.com  Wed Jan 30 18:44:34 2013
From: gnu.andrew at redhat.com (Andrew Hughes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:44:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <984406461.6947448.1359571474356.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>

----- Original Message -----
> I hereby propose the creation of the "AArch64 Port" Project with me,
> Andrew Haley, as the Lead and the Porters Group as the sponsoring
> Group.
> 
> The goal of the project will be to provide a full-featured and
> certified version of OpenJDK on the Linux/AArch64 platform which can
> be integrated into the main OpenJDK branch.  AArch64 is the 64-bit
> mode of ARMv8 [3]; it is a completely new architecture, and is not
> compatible with the 32-bit ARM instruction set.  We hope that this
> project will eventually be able to support operating systems other
> than GNU/Linux, and will welcome contributors with the necessary
> expertise.
> 
> We (Red Hat) already have a template interpreter.  We have also
> written a functional simulator that is linked to the Java VM.  This
> simulator features debugging support integrated with GDB and has a
> full set of trace and breakpoint commands.  Real AArch64 hardware is
> not yet available, but anyone with a x86_64 based Linux system will
> be
> able to run and test the AArch64 JDK.
> 
> This implementation is based on JDK 8.
> 
> The next steps in the project are:
> 
> * Write a C1 compiler.
> * Write a C2 compiler.
> * Run on real hardware.
> 
> As an intermediate step, it may be useful to run on simulators other
> than our own.
> 
> Followed ultimately by:
> 
> * Merge into JDK 8.
> 
> I, the project lead, am Andrew Haley.  I have been an OpenJDK
> committer for several years, am an elected member of the OpenJDK
> governing board, and Red Hat's representative on the Java SE 8
> Platform Umbrella JSR (337) Expert Group.
> 
> The other initial committer will be:
> Andrew Dinn.
> 
> We will, of course, welcome contributions from anyone with cycles to
> spare.
> 
> Votes are due by Tue Feb 5 12:00 GMT 2013.
> 
> Only current OpenJDK Members [1] are eligible to vote on this
> motion.  Votes must be cast in the open by replying to to this
> mailing list.
> 
> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [2].
> 
> Andrew Haley.
> 
> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members
> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote
> [3] http://www.arm.com/products/processors/armv8-architecture.php
> 

Vote: Yes.
-- 
Andrew :)

Free Java Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com)

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From gnu.andrew at redhat.com  Wed Jan 30 18:52:21 2013
From: gnu.andrew at redhat.com (Andrew Hughes)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:52:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CFV: Nominate Andrew Haley as jdk6 Project Lead
In-Reply-To: <5C150CEA-1EEE-4894-A2B0-35E5AF1798F9@oracle.com>
Message-ID: <270808953.6950248.1359571941477.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>

----- Original Message -----
> 
> I nominate Andrew Haley as the new jdk6 Project Lead. According to
> the bylaws on project leads [1] the
> Group Leads of the sponsoring project gets to nominate and vote. The
> only sponsoring group is the Build Group
> (that would be me :^).
> 
> -kto
> 
> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#project-lead

Congratulations Andrew.

However, this raises an interesting point.  Why do the members of a
group get to determine the project lead, rather than the members of
said project?

By these rules, the implication is that, for example, Dalibor solely
gets to determine the leads of Caciocavallo, IcedTea, Zero, BSD-port,
MacOS X port, the PPC-AIX port, the MIPS port and the proposed AArch64
port.  This doesn't make sense to me.

I also don't see a single group lead by someone outside Oracle.
-- 
Andrew :)

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Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com)

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From rasbold at google.com  Wed Jan 30 19:53:03 2013
From: rasbold at google.com (Chuck Rasbold)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:53:03 -0800
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <CALFb4Kuue3a3HBT_i9EQ60ShAQv=6C+L2r22NrNdnrHtFf_NMg@mail.gmail.com>

Vote: yes


From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com  Wed Jan 30 20:04:04 2013
From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:04:04 +0000
Subject: CFV: New project: AArch64
In-Reply-To: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
References: <50FE735E.3030607@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <51097CB4.5060208@oracle.com>

Vote: yes
-Alan


From iris.clark at oracle.com  Wed Jan 30 21:25:40 2013
From: iris.clark at oracle.com (Iris Clark)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:25:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CFV: Nominate Andrew Haley as jdk6 Project Lead
In-Reply-To: <270808953.6950248.1359571941477.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
References: <5C150CEA-1EEE-4894-A2B0-35E5AF1798F9@oracle.com>
	<270808953.6950248.1359571941477.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <c376b7b7-d9d4-40bc-a807-aa4f5d2815a3@default>

Hi, Andrew.

> Why do the members of a group get to determine the project lead, rather than the members of said project?

That's the way that it's specified in the Bylaws:

http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#project-lead

When a Project is created, or when its Project Lead resigns or departs, candidates for a new Project Lead may be nominated by the Group Leads of a Project?s Sponsoring Groups. Such a nomination must be approved by a Three-Vote Consensus of these Group Leads. If agreement amongst these Group Leads cannot be reached then the OpenJDK Lead will select one of the nominees; this decision may be appealed to the Governing Board.

Thanks,
iris

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:gnu.andrew at redhat.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:52 AM
To: Kelly O'Hair
Cc: discuss at openjdk.java.net; jdk6-dev at openjdk.java.net
Subject: Re: CFV: Nominate Andrew Haley as jdk6 Project Lead

----- Original Message -----
> 
> I nominate Andrew Haley as the new jdk6 Project Lead. According to the 
> bylaws on project leads [1] the Group Leads of the sponsoring project 
> gets to nominate and vote. The only sponsoring group is the Build 
> Group (that would be me :^).
> 
> -kto
> 
> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#project-lead

Congratulations Andrew.

However, this raises an interesting point.  Why do the members of a group get to determine the project lead, rather than the members of said project?

By these rules, the implication is that, for example, Dalibor solely gets to determine the leads of Caciocavallo, IcedTea, Zero, BSD-port, MacOS X port, the PPC-AIX port, the MIPS port and the proposed AArch64 port.  This doesn't make sense to me.

I also don't see a single group lead by someone outside Oracle.
--
Andrew :)

Free Java Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com)

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From neugens at redhat.com  Thu Jan 31 01:26:50 2013
From: neugens at redhat.com (Mario Torre)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:26:50 +0100
Subject: CFV: Nominate Andrew Haley as jdk6 Project Lead
In-Reply-To: <270808953.6950248.1359571941477.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
References: <270808953.6950248.1359571941477.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1359595610.23006.1.camel@pegasus>

Il giorno mer, 30/01/2013 alle 13.52 -0500, Andrew Hughes ha scritto:
> ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > I nominate Andrew Haley as the new jdk6 Project Lead. According to
> > the bylaws on project leads [1] the
> > Group Leads of the sponsoring project gets to nominate and vote. The
> > only sponsoring group is the Build Group
> > (that would be me :^).
> > 
> > -kto
> > 
> > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#project-lead
> 
> Congratulations Andrew.

Congratulations!

Cheers,
Mario



From aph at redhat.com  Thu Jan 31 09:19:00 2013
From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:19:00 +0000
Subject: CFV: Nominate Andrew Haley as jdk6 Project Lead
In-Reply-To: <270808953.6950248.1359571941477.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
References: <270808953.6950248.1359571941477.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <510A3704.1030001@redhat.com>

On 01/30/2013 06:52 PM, Andrew Hughes wrote:
> I also don't see a single group lead by someone outside Oracle.

You do now.

Andrew.



From gnu.andrew at redhat.com  Thu Jan 31 10:38:28 2013
From: gnu.andrew at redhat.com (Andrew Hughes)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:38:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CFV: Nominate Andrew Haley as jdk6 Project Lead
In-Reply-To: <510A3704.1030001@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1922558822.7234689.1359628708623.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>

----- Original Message -----
> On 01/30/2013 06:52 PM, Andrew Hughes wrote:
> > I also don't see a single group lead by someone outside Oracle.
> 
> You do now.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> 

No.  As far as I'm aware, the only group to be established as part of
OpenJDK, rather than representing an internal Sun/Oracle group, is the
porters group and Dalibor since moved to Oracle.

There are plenty of non-Oracle *project* leads including you, myself and Mario.
-- 
Andrew :)

Free Java Software Engineer
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From gnu.andrew at redhat.com  Thu Jan 31 10:45:11 2013
From: gnu.andrew at redhat.com (Andrew Hughes)
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:45:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CFV: Nominate Andrew Haley as jdk6 Project Lead
In-Reply-To: <c376b7b7-d9d4-40bc-a807-aa4f5d2815a3@default>
Message-ID: <395266232.7238709.1359629111330.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>

----- Original Message -----
> Hi, Andrew.
> 
> > Why do the members of a group get to determine the project lead,
> > rather than the members of said project?
> 
> That's the way that it's specified in the Bylaws:
> 
> http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#project-lead
> 
> When a Project is created, or when its Project Lead resigns or
> departs, candidates for a new Project Lead may be nominated by the
> Group Leads of a Project?s Sponsoring Groups. Such a nomination must
> be approved by a Three-Vote Consensus of these Group Leads. If
> agreement amongst these Group Leads cannot be reached then the
> OpenJDK Lead will select one of the nominees; this decision may be
> appealed to the Governing Board.
> 

Yes, this is what I was reading :)

Maybe this suggests it's time to propose a new group?  IcedTea has
never really fitted the remit of the porters group anyway, so a
deployment group seems plausible, and would also be a suitable home
for things like a web plugin project.

> Thanks,
> iris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:gnu.andrew at redhat.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:52 AM
> To: Kelly O'Hair
> Cc: discuss at openjdk.java.net; jdk6-dev at openjdk.java.net
> Subject: Re: CFV: Nominate Andrew Haley as jdk6 Project Lead
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > I nominate Andrew Haley as the new jdk6 Project Lead. According to
> > the
> > bylaws on project leads [1] the Group Leads of the sponsoring
> > project
> > gets to nominate and vote. The only sponsoring group is the Build
> > Group (that would be me :^).
> > 
> > -kto
> > 
> > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#project-lead
> 
> Congratulations Andrew.
> 
> However, this raises an interesting point.  Why do the members of a
> group get to determine the project lead, rather than the members of
> said project?
> 
> By these rules, the implication is that, for example, Dalibor solely
> gets to determine the leads of Caciocavallo, IcedTea, Zero,
> BSD-port, MacOS X port, the PPC-AIX port, the MIPS port and the
> proposed AArch64 port.  This doesn't make sense to me.
> 
> I also don't see a single group lead by someone outside Oracle.
> --
> Andrew :)
> 
> Free Java Software Engineer
> Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com)
> 
> PGP Key: 248BDC07 (https://keys.indymedia.org/) Fingerprint = EC5A
> 1F5E C0AD 1D15 8F1F  8F91 3B96 A578 248B DC07
> 
> 

-- 
Andrew :)

Free Java Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com)

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