From volker.simonis at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 08:48:38 2013 From: volker.simonis at gmail.com (Volker Simonis) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:48:38 +0200 Subject: Permission Violation when trying to view bug JDK-8016309 Message-ID: Hi, when trying to look at certain bugs like for example https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8016309 I am asked to log in to the JIRA system. However if I'm doing so I get the following error message: Permission Violation It seems that you have tried to perform an operation which you are not permitted to perform. If you think this message is wrong, please contact your JIRA administrators. What does this exactly mean? Notice that the fix for JDK-8016309 is currently under review on the hotspot-gc-dev list so it seems odd that the bug itself is not visible. Regards, Volker From stefan.karlsson at oracle.com Tue Oct 1 09:05:46 2013 From: stefan.karlsson at oracle.com (Stefan Karlsson) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 11:05:46 +0200 Subject: Permission Violation when trying to view bug JDK-8016309 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524A906A.2040301@oracle.com> Hi Volker, On 10/01/2013 10:48 AM, Volker Simonis wrote: > Hi, > > when trying to look at certain bugs like for example > https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8016309 I am asked to log in > to the JIRA system. However if I'm doing so I get the following error > message: > > Permission Violation > It seems that you have tried to perform an operation which you are not > permitted to perform. > If you think this message is wrong, please contact your JIRA administrators. > > What does this exactly mean? The bug was marked 'confidential' because it mentions Oracle internal URLs from our testing in the summary. This is rather unfortunate and it's something bug reporters need to be more cautious about going forward. StefanK > > Notice that the fix for JDK-8016309 is currently under review on the > hotspot-gc-dev list so it seems odd that the bug itself is not > visible. > > Regards, > Volker From volker.simonis at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 09:34:08 2013 From: volker.simonis at gmail.com (Volker Simonis) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 11:34:08 +0200 Subject: Permission Violation when trying to view bug JDK-8016309 In-Reply-To: <524A906A.2040301@oracle.com> References: <524A906A.2040301@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi Stefan, thanks for the information. So does this mean that every bug report which contains some kind of "internal" URLs will be marked confidential automatically by the bug system? It would be interesting to know which URLs are objected to avoid putting such URLs in a bug report. Otherwise it may happen that I create a bug to which I will have no access later on because it included such an offending URL. Is it possible to manually remove the confidential flag if the author judges that it may be appropriate? Volker On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Stefan Karlsson wrote: > Hi Volker, > > > On 10/01/2013 10:48 AM, Volker Simonis wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> when trying to look at certain bugs like for example >> https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8016309 I am asked to log in >> to the JIRA system. However if I'm doing so I get the following error >> message: >> >> Permission Violation >> It seems that you have tried to perform an operation which you are not >> permitted to perform. >> If you think this message is wrong, please contact your JIRA >> administrators. >> >> What does this exactly mean? > > > The bug was marked 'confidential' because it mentions Oracle internal URLs > from our testing in the summary. > > This is rather unfortunate and it's something bug reporters need to be more > cautious about going forward. > > StefanK > >> >> Notice that the fix for JDK-8016309 is currently under review on the >> hotspot-gc-dev list so it seems odd that the bug itself is not >> visible. >> >> Regards, >> Volker > > From stefan.karlsson at oracle.com Tue Oct 1 11:14:28 2013 From: stefan.karlsson at oracle.com (Stefan Karlsson) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 13:14:28 +0200 Subject: Permission Violation when trying to view bug JDK-8016309 In-Reply-To: References: <524A906A.2040301@oracle.com> Message-ID: <524AAE94.2070106@oracle.com> Hi Volker, On 10/01/2013 11:34 AM, Volker Simonis wrote: > Hi Stefan, > > thanks for the information. So does this mean that every bug report > which contains some kind of "internal" URLs will be marked > confidential automatically by the bug system? It would be interesting > to know which URLs are objected to avoid putting such URLs in a bug > report. Otherwise it may happen that I create a bug to which I will > have no access later on because it included such an offending URL. I'm not sure what the current proceedures are. Hopefully someone with more insight into this will answer. When JBS was opened all bugs with internal URLs in the summary were marked as confidential. Internal URLs in the comments only hid those specific comments. > > Is it possible to manually remove the confidential flag if the author > judges that it may be appropriate? I don't think so, but I might be wrong. StefanK > > Volker > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Stefan Karlsson > wrote: >> Hi Volker, >> >> >> On 10/01/2013 10:48 AM, Volker Simonis wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> when trying to look at certain bugs like for example >>> https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8016309 I am asked to log in >>> to the JIRA system. However if I'm doing so I get the following error >>> message: >>> >>> Permission Violation >>> It seems that you have tried to perform an operation which you are not >>> permitted to perform. >>> If you think this message is wrong, please contact your JIRA >>> administrators. >>> >>> What does this exactly mean? >> >> The bug was marked 'confidential' because it mentions Oracle internal URLs >> from our testing in the summary. >> >> This is rather unfortunate and it's something bug reporters need to be more >> cautious about going forward. >> >> StefanK >> >>> Notice that the fix for JDK-8016309 is currently under review on the >>> hotspot-gc-dev list so it seems odd that the bug itself is not >>> visible. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Volker >> From aph at redhat.com Tue Oct 1 13:40:11 2013 From: aph at redhat.com (Andrew Haley) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:40:11 +0100 Subject: Which list to use for bugs.openjdk.java.net issues Message-ID: <524AD0BB.4080602@redhat.com> Hi ... I need to reopen an OpenJDK 6 bug that is marked "Won't Fix". The Status field seems to be read-only. So, which list should I use for JIRA discussions? TIA, Andrew. From joe.darcy at oracle.com Tue Oct 1 21:42:11 2013 From: joe.darcy at oracle.com (Joseph Darcy) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 14:42:11 -0700 Subject: Permission Violation when trying to view bug JDK-8016309 In-Reply-To: <524AAE94.2070106@oracle.com> References: <524A906A.2040301@oracle.com> <524AAE94.2070106@oracle.com> Message-ID: <524B41B3.2000600@oracle.com> Hello, On 10/1/2013 4:14 AM, Stefan Karlsson wrote: > Hi Volker, > > On 10/01/2013 11:34 AM, Volker Simonis wrote: >> Hi Stefan, >> >> thanks for the information. So does this mean that every bug report >> which contains some kind of "internal" URLs will be marked >> confidential automatically by the bug system? It would be interesting >> to know which URLs are objected to avoid putting such URLs in a bug >> report. Otherwise it may happen that I create a bug to which I will >> have no access later on because it included such an offending URL. > > I'm not sure what the current proceedures are. Hopefully someone with > more insight into this will answer. > > When JBS was opened all bugs with internal URLs in the summary were > marked as confidential. Internal URLs in the comments only hid those > specific comments. Right; since the description cannot be marked confidential, if the description contained an Oracle-internal URL, the whole bug had to be marked confidential rather than just an individual comment. Offhand, I don't know the exact regex for the internal URLS, but "www.oracle.com/*" is okay while URLs with Oracle-internal subdomains are not. Most of the internal URLs in JBS are for website of internal infrastructure, such as jprt jobs and a test running / reporting service administered by our SQE team. HTH, -Joe From aki.2kyo at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 03:26:35 2013 From: aki.2kyo at gmail.com (Aki Kyo) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 20:26:35 -0700 Subject: [newbie] Classes in OpenJDK Message-ID: Hi, Please be gentle, I have newbie question: I'm building a application made by another organization. The installation instructions said to get the Sun JDK - now Oracle?, but still different than OpenJDK, right? I wanted build it with OpenJDK if possible. Compilation success but at run time I get a NoClassDefFoundError - I guess it might due to difference in libraries that the application author expects to be available in the JDK. (??) The class here is com/sun/mail/dsn/Report But just general question - is there way I can see list of classes in OpenJDK? Compare to Sun JDK? Thank you sincere From ivan at azulsystems.com Wed Oct 2 09:03:56 2013 From: ivan at azulsystems.com (Ivan Krylov) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:03:56 +0000 Subject: [newbie] Classes in OpenJDK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <565006E1-860F-476E-B537-9C7F54C4BD69@azulsystems.com> I guess you are looking for JavaMail. And you never mention what version of jdk and what platform you want to use. Javamail is not part of JavaSE but you can download javax.mail.jar and use it with your JavaSE app. Could it be that "another organization" was using JavaEE? Heer is a link for the JavaMail project where you can download the jar https://java.net/projects/javamail/pages/Home hth, Ivan On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Aki Kyo wrote: > Hi, > > Please be gentle, I have newbie question: > > I'm building a application made by another organization. The > installation instructions said to get the Sun JDK - now Oracle?, but > still different than OpenJDK, right? I wanted build it with OpenJDK if > possible. Compilation success but at run time I get a > NoClassDefFoundError - I guess it might due to difference in libraries > that the application author expects to be available in the JDK. (??) > > The class here is com/sun/mail/dsn/Report > > But just general question - is there way I can see list of classes in > OpenJDK? Compare to Sun JDK? > > Thank you sincere From aki.2kyo at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 20:09:19 2013 From: aki.2kyo at gmail.com (Aki Kyo) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 13:09:19 -0700 Subject: [newbie] Classes in OpenJDK In-Reply-To: <565006E1-860F-476E-B537-9C7F54C4BD69@azulsystems.com> References: <565006E1-860F-476E-B537-9C7F54C4BD69@azulsystems.com> Message-ID: Sorry Ivan, just I wanted ask general question. I loaded OpenJDK 1.6 on CentOS 6. Is there way to inspect classes on system? Even not runtime CLASSPATH but just with system locate command? I look for javax.mail.jar and try understand how to install it. But wonder might not help because application compiled OK. But not sure. Sincere apprecation your help. On 10/2/13, Ivan Krylov wrote: > I guess you are looking for JavaMail. And you never mention what version of > jdk and what platform you want to use. > Javamail is not part of JavaSE but you can download javax.mail.jar and use > it with your JavaSE app. > Could it be that "another organization" was using JavaEE? > > Heer is a link for the JavaMail project where you can download the jar > https://java.net/projects/javamail/pages/Home > > hth, > Ivan > > > On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:26 AM, Aki Kyo wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Please be gentle, I have newbie question: >> >> I'm building a application made by another organization. The >> installation instructions said to get the Sun JDK - now Oracle?, but >> still different than OpenJDK, right? I wanted build it with OpenJDK if >> possible. Compilation success but at run time I get a >> NoClassDefFoundError - I guess it might due to difference in libraries >> that the application author expects to be available in the JDK. (??) >> >> The class here is com/sun/mail/dsn/Report >> >> But just general question - is there way I can see list of classes in >> OpenJDK? Compare to Sun JDK? >> >> Thank you sincere > > From brendentowey at gmail.com Wed Oct 2 22:56:39 2013 From: brendentowey at gmail.com (Brenden Towey) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 15:56:39 -0700 Subject: [newbie] Classes in OpenJDK In-Reply-To: References: <565006E1-860F-476E-B537-9C7F54C4BD69@azulsystems.com> Message-ID: <524CA4A7.20302@gmail.com> Well if I use Google there are several links. One possibility is here, although it doesn't work for your particular use case: Here are some other ideas, although I didn't try them: Basically use Google and see what turns up. On 10/2/2013 1:09 PM, Aki Kyo wrote: > Sorry Ivan, just I wanted ask general question. I loaded OpenJDK 1.6 > on CentOS 6. > > Is there way to inspect classes on system? Even not runtime CLASSPATH > but just with system locate command? > > From manderse at redhat.com Thu Oct 3 12:02:28 2013 From: manderse at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 14:02:28 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? Message-ID: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> I got some questions on a specific issue but also on how to actually contribute bug reports to OpenJDK... 1) I open a bugreport against http://bugreport.sun.com/bugreport/ (with my java.net username) The last page of this gives no link, no info besides "we will get back to you" 2) I receive a mail saying bug has been opened with an ID that is nowhere to be found and suggest to manually search for bug on bugs.sun.com (you can see details on https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-15494) 3) I ask on twitter and @robilad (Dalibor Topic) tells that the real id is actually https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8025128 and what is mentioned in mail is an internal id. (he promises to follow up on getting the mail received in #2 fixed to be more clear) 4) Now https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8025128 gets fixed in main Java 8, but not Java 7 and I want to ask if that is intentional - but I have no way to comment on this issue. Thus two questions: A) Where do I comment/get info on if JDK-8025128 will be backported to an update for Java 7 so createTempFile doesn't break existing applications that works fine with any previous JDK 5, 6 and 7 releases. B) Is the "workflow" above really expected ? i.e. why can't I as reporter comment on the jira or even actually get the link tot the jira that was opened when reporting the issue. Thank you, /max From forax at univ-mlv.fr Thu Oct 3 13:10:13 2013 From: forax at univ-mlv.fr (Remi Forax) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:10:13 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> Message-ID: <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> On 10/03/2013 02:02 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > I got some questions on a specific issue but also on how to actually > contribute bug reports to OpenJDK... > > 1) I open a bugreport against http://bugreport.sun.com/bugreport/ > (with my java.net username) > The last page of this gives no link, no info besides "we will get > back to you" > > 2) I receive a mail saying bug has been opened with an ID that is > nowhere to be found and suggest to manually search for bug > on bugs.sun.com (you can see details on > https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-15494) > > 3) I ask on twitter and @robilad (Dalibor Topic) tells that the real > id is actually https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8025128 > and what is mentioned in mail is an internal id. (he promises to > follow up on getting the mail received in #2 fixed to be more clear) > > 4) Now https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8025128 gets fixed in > main Java 8, but not Java 7 and I want to ask if that is intentional - > but I have no way to comment on this issue. > > Thus two questions: > > A) Where do I comment/get info on if JDK-8025128 will be backported to > an update for Java 7 so createTempFile doesn't break existing > applications that works fine with any previous JDK 5, 6 and 7 releases. The classical workflow is to first fix jdk8 and then backport it, so if you take a look to the backport section of JDK-8025128, It was backported yesterday in 7u45 which is due to 2013-10-14 see https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8025474 > > B) Is the "workflow" above really expected ? i.e. why can't I as > reporter comment on the jira or even actually get the link tot the > jira that was opened when reporting the issue. Currently it seems that the JIRA instance in not able to send mail to people outside the ones listed in the census. Mark (in CC), is it something fixable without involving lawyers ? > > Thank you, > /max > R?mi From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com Thu Oct 3 14:18:07 2013 From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 07:18:07 -0700 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> Message-ID: <524D7C9F.6050900@oracle.com> On 03/10/2013 05:02, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > I got some questions on a specific issue but also on how to actually > contribute bug reports to OpenJDK... > > 1) I open a bugreport against http://bugreport.sun.com/bugreport/ > (with my java.net username) > The last page of this gives no link, no info besides "we will get > back to you" > > 2) I receive a mail saying bug has been opened with an ID that is > nowhere to be found Incidents submitted via bugs.sun.com go into a different system and JIRA project, I suspect the ID you received is the issue number for that system. If moved into the JDK JIRA as a bug then it gets a new issue number. You are not the first to ask about this, it does make it impossible to find incidents once they are moved into the bug database. > : > > A) Where do I comment/get info on if JDK-8025128 will be backported to > an update for Java 7 so createTempFile doesn't break existing > applications that works fine with any previous JDK 5, 6 and 7 releases. As R?mi said, fixes go into the main-line first. The Backports section will list the back-port issues created for the issue. -Alan. From manderse at redhat.com Thu Oct 3 14:37:58 2013 From: manderse at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:37:58 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> Message-ID: <20131003143758.GN40382@slowbeard.local> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 03:10:13PM +0200, Remi Forax wrote: >On 10/03/2013 02:02 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >>A) Where do I comment/get info on if JDK-8025128 will be backported >>to an update for Java 7 so createTempFile doesn't break existing >>applications that works fine with any previous JDK 5, 6 and 7 >>releases. > >The classical workflow is to first fix jdk8 and then backport it, >so if you take a look to the backport section of JDK-8025128, >It was backported yesterday in 7u45 which is due to 2013-10-14 >see https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8025474 Perfect - those backports weren't there when I looked last. Sounds great if it gets fixed :) >>B) Is the "workflow" above really expected ? i.e. why can't I as >>reporter comment on the jira or even actually get the link tot the >>jira that was opened when reporting the issue. > >Currently it seems that the JIRA instance in not able to send mail to >people outside the ones listed in the census. >Mark (in CC), is it something fixable without involving lawyers ? From what I gather the only way I can even get to watch/comment/give feedback on these jiras are to become a committer or find the right mailing list to ask on - seems rather "closed" to me :) /max From manderse at redhat.com Thu Oct 3 14:40:02 2013 From: manderse at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:40:02 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <524D7C9F.6050900@oracle.com> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D7C9F.6050900@oracle.com> Message-ID: <20131003144002.GO40382@slowbeard.local> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 07:18:07AM -0700, Alan Bateman wrote: >On 03/10/2013 05:02, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >>I got some questions on a specific issue but also on how to >>actually contribute bug reports to OpenJDK... >> >>1) I open a bugreport against http://bugreport.sun.com/bugreport/ >>(with my java.net username) >> The last page of this gives no link, no info besides "we will >>get back to you" >> >>2) I receive a mail saying bug has been opened with an ID that is >>nowhere to be found >Incidents submitted via bugs.sun.com go into a different system and >JIRA project, I suspect the ID you received is the issue number for >that system. If moved into the JDK JIRA as a bug then it gets a new >issue number. You are not the first to ask about this, it does make >it impossible to find incidents once they are moved into the bug >database. I can understand the complexity of mixing two systems, but at least if the jira would actually have a comment or part of the description or a field listing the orignal ID that is sent out in those bugs.sun.com mails would help alot. >>A) Where do I comment/get info on if JDK-8025128 will be backported >>to an update for Java 7 so createTempFile doesn't break existing >>applications that works fine with any previous JDK 5, 6 and 7 >>releases. >As R?mi said, fixes go into the main-line first. The Backports >section will list the back-port issues created for the issue. Yeah, I see those just showed up. Didn't get notified or anything since not possible to participate on the jira as non-committer :) /max From sean.coffey at oracle.com Thu Oct 3 15:08:05 2013 From: sean.coffey at oracle.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=E1n_Coffey?=) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:08:05 +0100 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <20131003144002.GO40382@slowbeard.local> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D7C9F.6050900@oracle.com> <20131003144002.GO40382@slowbeard.local> Message-ID: <524D8855.7060703@oracle.com> On 03/10/2013 15:40, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 07:18:07AM -0700, Alan Bateman wrote: >> On 03/10/2013 05:02, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >>> I got some questions on a specific issue but also on how to actually >>> contribute bug reports to OpenJDK... >>> >>> 1) I open a bugreport against http://bugreport.sun.com/bugreport/ >>> (with my java.net username) >>> The last page of this gives no link, no info besides "we will get >>> back to you" >>> >>> 2) I receive a mail saying bug has been opened with an ID that is >>> nowhere to be found >> Incidents submitted via bugs.sun.com go into a different system and >> JIRA project, I suspect the ID you received is the issue number for >> that system. If moved into the JDK JIRA as a bug then it gets a new >> issue number. You are not the first to ask about this, it does make >> it impossible to find incidents once they are moved into the bug >> database. > > I can understand the complexity of mixing two systems, but > at least if the jira would actually have a comment or part of the > description > or a field listing the orignal ID that is sent out in those > bugs.sun.com mails would help alot. Max, you'll see from the history field that your original bug report came into the Java Incidents project : (JI-9006934) Shortly after that, it got moved to the JDK project. You bug ID reference was the original ID. When the issue is triaged and moved, it gets mapped to a new ID (JDK-8025128) As a tip for those without a bugs.openjdk login, you can search for your original ID and see if it's been mapped to a new bug via the search function. Search for "JI-9006934". JIRA will map a JI report to the new JDK bug if it's been transferred across to the JDK project. > >>> A) Where do I comment/get info on if JDK-8025128 will be backported >>> to an update for Java 7 so createTempFile doesn't break existing >>> applications that works fine with any previous JDK 5, 6 and 7 releases. >> As R?mi said, fixes go into the main-line first. The Backports >> section will list the back-port issues created for the issue. > > Yeah, I see those just showed up. > > Didn't get notified or anything since not possible to participate on > the jira as non-committer :) The process of how webbug submissions work is bound to be source of confusion for many. It would be good if we can get it documented for all. Anyone with login access [1] will probably log bugs directly in the JDK project now. regards, Sean. [1] https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/general/JBS+Overview > > /max > From me at noctarius.com Thu Oct 3 15:51:07 2013 From: me at noctarius.com (Noctarius) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:51:07 +0200 Subject: Turn sun.misc.Unsafe into a public API Message-ID: <524D926B.9090305@noctarius.com> Hey there, I'm not yet sure if this is the right place to ask but I go for it. Is there already a group of people that is working on turning sun.misc.Unsafe into a clean public API or are there any interested people in trying to make a JEP / JSR out of it? I was previously talking to Tim Boudreau but he wasn't sure about if there's a group working on that but he knew that there is at least interest in it. Would be great to see some interest and maybe a founding a group or joining an already existing one. Cheers Chris From mark.reinhold at oracle.com Thu Oct 3 16:30:38 2013 From: mark.reinhold at oracle.com (mark.reinhold at oracle.com) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:30:38 -0700 Subject: Turn sun.misc.Unsafe into a public API In-Reply-To: <524D926B.9090305@noctarius.com> References: <524D926B.9090305@noctarius.com> Message-ID: <20131003093038.801616@eggemoggin.niobe.net> 2013/10/3 1:51 -0700, me at noctarius.com: > Is there already a group of people that is working on turning > sun.misc.Unsafe into a clean public API or are there any interested > people in trying to make a JEP / JSR out of it? This is definitely something we plan to propose for SE 9. I expect to see a JEP from the current maintainers of sun.misc.Unsafe in the near future. (This is far too small to require a whole JSR.) - Mark From me at noctarius.com Thu Oct 3 16:36:00 2013 From: me at noctarius.com (Noctarius) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 18:36:00 +0200 Subject: Turn sun.misc.Unsafe into a public API In-Reply-To: <20131003093038.801616@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <524D926B.9090305@noctarius.com> <20131003093038.801616@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <524D9CF0.7050107@noctarius.com> Am 03.10.2013 18:30, schrieb mark.reinhold at oracle.com: > 2013/10/3 1:51 -0700, me at noctarius.com: >> Is there already a group of people that is working on turning >> sun.misc.Unsafe into a clean public API or are there any interested >> people in trying to make a JEP / JSR out of it? > > This is definitely something we plan to propose for SE 9. I expect > to see a JEP from the current maintainers of sun.misc.Unsafe in the > near future. (This is far too small to require a whole JSR.) > > - Mark > Good to know, thanks Mark. Looking forward to that and try to help on that :-) - Chris From alex.kasko.lists at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 16:57:05 2013 From: alex.kasko.lists at gmail.com (Alex Kasko) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 20:57:05 +0400 Subject: Turn sun.misc.Unsafe into a public API In-Reply-To: <524D9CF0.7050107@noctarius.com> References: <524D926B.9090305@noctarius.com> <20131003093038.801616@eggemoggin.niobe.net> <524D9CF0.7050107@noctarius.com> Message-ID: <524DA1E1.4080707@gmail.com> On 10/03/2013 08:36 PM, Noctarius wrote: > Am 03.10.2013 18:30, schrieb mark.reinhold at oracle.com: >> 2013/10/3 1:51 -0700, me at noctarius.com: >>> Is there already a group of people that is working on turning >>> sun.misc.Unsafe into a clean public API or are there any interested >>> people in trying to make a JEP / JSR out of it? >> >> This is definitely something we plan to propose for SE 9. I expect >> to see a JEP from the current maintainers of sun.misc.Unsafe in the >> near future. (This is far too small to require a whole JSR.) >> >> - Mark >> > > Good to know, thanks Mark. Looking forward to that and try to help > on that :-) I am also interested in such API. sun.misc.Unsafe is used extensively by high performance libraries (snappy [1], kryo [2] and gson [3] to name some). I use it in everyday work (for off-heap memory access) with the naive approach to API - duplicated the same API with 'assert' checks on all memory access operations and run with '-ea' switch during testing. Public API will allow much wider adoption, e.g. it would be great to have something like fastutil [4] backed by off-heap memory. > > - Chris > [1] https://github.com/dain/snappy [2] http://code.google.com/p/kryo/ [3] http://code.google.com/p/google-gson/ [4] http://fastutil.di.unimi.it/ -- Regards, Alex Kasko From manderse at redhat.com Fri Oct 4 13:46:23 2013 From: manderse at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:46:23 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <524D8855.7060703@oracle.com> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D7C9F.6050900@oracle.com> <20131003144002.GO40382@slowbeard.local> <524D8855.7060703@oracle.com> Message-ID: <20131004134623.GC71049@slowbeard.local> >>I can understand the complexity of mixing two systems, but >>at least if the jira would actually have a comment or part of the >>description >>or a field listing the orignal ID that is sent out in those >>bugs.sun.com mails would help alot. >Max, > >you'll see from the history field that your original bug report came >into the Java Incidents project : (JI-9006934) Shortly after that, it >got moved to the JDK project. You bug ID reference was the original >ID. When the issue is triaged and moved, it gets mapped to a new ID >(JDK-8025128) > >As a tip for those without a bugs.openjdk login, you can search for >your original ID and see if it's been mapped to a new bug via the >search function. Search for "JI-9006934". JIRA will map a JI report to >the new JDK bug if it's been transferred across to the JDK project. That's cool but Bug Id: 9006934 is what is mentioned in the mail and searching on that gives zero results. Good to know that if I add "JI-" in front it will work though. >>>>A) Where do I comment/get info on if JDK-8025128 will be >>>>backported to an update for Java 7 so createTempFile doesn't >>>>break existing applications that works fine with any previous >>>>JDK 5, 6 and 7 releases. >>>As R?mi said, fixes go into the main-line first. The Backports >>>section will list the back-port issues created for the issue. >> >>Yeah, I see those just showed up. >> >>Didn't get notified or anything since not possible to participate on >>the jira as non-committer :) >The process of how webbug submissions work is bound to be source of >confusion for many. It would be good if we can get it documented for >all. Anyone with login access [1] will probably log bugs directly in >the JDK project now. Maybe I read that page wrong but afaics I don't have any way to open or login to this jira without being "role of Author" which involves granted right to create changesets intended to be pushed into a projects code repo. That is not something I actually wish to be at this stage - I just want to help report and verify bugs I or others found that affect me. >From my point of view anyone with a java.net account should be able to login to the jira and A) Watch any issue they find B) Be able to report bugs in the JI project (that seems to be what the other web report system do?) C) Comment on bugs they have reported Then no need to document complex workflows since it would "just work". And since that kind of user is not able to report bugs elsewhere you shouldn't be seeing any increase in bogus reports/comments - you might see an increase in bugs reported since it now is easier (But thats a good thing :) Just my 2c. /max From pfurbacher at mac.com Tue Oct 8 17:01:23 2013 From: pfurbacher at mac.com (pfurbacher) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 10:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Collectors.toMap() keyMapper function question Message-ID: <1381251683469-159371.post@n7.nabble.com> I'm wondering how to more succinctly express the "keyMapper" function which is highlighted in the following: List roster = ...; Map map = roster .stream() .collect( Collectors.toMap( *new Function() { public String apply(Person p) { return p.getLast(); } }*, Function.identity())); Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://openjdk.5641.n7.nabble.com/Collectors-toMap-keyMapper-function-question-tp159371.html Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From misterm at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 17:19:17 2013 From: misterm at gmail.com (Michael Nascimento) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 14:19:17 -0300 Subject: Collectors.toMap() keyMapper function question In-Reply-To: <1381251683469-159371.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <1381251683469-159371.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: Person::getLast() Regards, Michael On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM, pfurbacher wrote: > I'm wondering how to more succinctly express the "keyMapper" function which > is highlighted in the following: > > List roster = ...; > > Map map = > roster > .stream() > .collect( > Collectors.toMap( > *new Function() { > public String apply(Person p) { return > p.getLast(); } > }*, > Function.identity())); > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://openjdk.5641.n7.nabble.com/Collectors-toMap-keyMapper-function-question-tp159371.html > Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pfurbacher at mac.com Tue Oct 8 18:05:24 2013 From: pfurbacher at mac.com (pfurbacher) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 11:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Collectors.toMap() keyMapper function question In-Reply-To: References: <1381251683469-159371.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1381255524033-159384.post@n7.nabble.com> Michael Nascimento wrote > Person::getLast() Thanks, but ... Are you sure? I'm using a very recent nightly build of Eclipse BETA_8, and that is flagged as > The method getLast() is undefined for the type Sources I though method references didn't have parens at the end, so I tried Person::getLast and that produces > Type mismatch: cannot convert from Map > < > Object,Person > > > to Map > < > String,Person > > Perhaps I need to file a bug with Eclipse? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://openjdk.5641.n7.nabble.com/Collectors-toMap-keyMapper-function-question-tp159371p159384.html Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From misterm at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 18:23:06 2013 From: misterm at gmail.com (Michael Nascimento) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 15:23:06 -0300 Subject: Collectors.toMap() keyMapper function question In-Reply-To: <1381255524033-159384.post@n7.nabble.com> References: <1381251683469-159371.post@n7.nabble.com> <1381255524033-159384.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: Sorry, it should be Person::getLast. It should work, afaik. Regards, Michael On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, pfurbacher wrote: > Michael Nascimento wrote >> Person::getLast() > > Thanks, but ... > > Are you sure? I'm using a very recent nightly build of Eclipse BETA_8, and > that is flagged as > >> The method getLast() is undefined for the type Sources > > I though method references didn't have parens at the end, so I tried > > Person::getLast > > and that produces > >> Type mismatch: cannot convert from Map >> < >> Object,Person >> > >> to Map >> < >> String,Person >> > > > Perhaps I need to file a bug with Eclipse? > > Thanks. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://openjdk.5641.n7.nabble.com/Collectors-toMap-keyMapper-function-question-tp159371p159384.html > Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Tue Oct 8 20:16:03 2013 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 22:16:03 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <524D8855.7060703@oracle.com> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D7C9F.6050900@oracle.com> <20131003144002.GO40382@slowbeard.local> <524D8855.7060703@oracle.com> Message-ID: <52546803.3030503@oracle.com> On 10/3/13 5:08 PM, Se?n Coffey wrote: > The process of how webbug submissions work is bound to be source of confusion for many. I like to picture it as web bugs going through a GC cycle - if they are valid, they get moved to a more permanent storage in the JBS. cheers, dalibor topic -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Astrid Kepper, Val Maher Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Tue Oct 8 21:24:53 2013 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 23:24:53 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <20131003143758.GN40382@slowbeard.local> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> <20131003143758.GN40382@slowbeard.local> Message-ID: <52547825.7090301@oracle.com> On 10/3/13 4:37 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > or find the right mailing list to ask on - seems > rather "closed" to me :) Not really - that's an choice you'll find the need to make in many large & successful open source communities, like the Linux kernel: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html With more then 300 new mails going out onto OpenJDK lists every day, having one mailing list for everything would be rather impractical for many OpenJDK developers - and the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few (at least in this case ;). In the particular case of this bug, you can see that the Component field is 'core-libs' and that's a pretty good hint that the changes would be discussed on the core-libs-dev mailing list: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2013-October/021807.html cheers, dalibor topic -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Astrid Kepper, Val Maher Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From pfurbacher at mac.com Wed Oct 9 04:19:57 2013 From: pfurbacher at mac.com (pfurbacher) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Collectors.toMap() keyMapper function question In-Reply-To: References: <1381251683469-159371.post@n7.nabble.com> <1381255524033-159384.post@n7.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1381292397167-159504.post@n7.nabble.com> Thanks for the confirmation. It looks like it is an Eclipse Kepler (4.3) BETA_8 problem. I compiled using a Maven goal, and it had no problem with Map map = roster .stream() .collect( Collectors.toMap( Person::getLast, Function.identity())); The STS/Eclipse nightly build required that I change to . It liked that better for some odd reason. Time to file a bug report with eclipse.org. Thanks again for your help. -- View this message in context: http://openjdk.5641.n7.nabble.com/Collectors-toMap-keyMapper-function-question-tp159371p159504.html Sent from the OpenJDK General discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com Wed Oct 9 07:26:54 2013 From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 08:26:54 +0100 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <52547825.7090301@oracle.com> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> <20131003143758.GN40382@slowbeard.local> <52547825.7090301@oracle.com> Message-ID: <5255053E.5030401@oracle.com> On 08/10/2013 22:24, Dalibor Topic wrote: > : > > In the particular case of this bug, you can see that the Component field > is 'core-libs' and that's a pretty good hint that the changes would be > discussed on the core-libs-dev mailing list: > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2013-October/021807.html > Also just to mention that the patch has been approved on jdk7u-dev so it should be in the jdk7u-dev forest soon. -Alan. From manderse at redhat.com Wed Oct 9 11:00:19 2013 From: manderse at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:00:19 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <52547825.7090301@oracle.com> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> <20131003143758.GN40382@slowbeard.local> <52547825.7090301@oracle.com> Message-ID: <20131009110019.GJ55352@slowbeard.local> On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 11:24:53PM +0200, Dalibor Topic wrote: >On 10/3/13 4:37 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >> or find the right mailing list to ask on - seems >> rather "closed" to me :) > >Not really - that's an choice you'll find the need to make in many >large & successful open source communities, like the Linux kernel: >http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html You are mixing up concerns here. I'm talking about the workflow for users opening bugs, you are talking about those actually contributing/committing daily/regularly. When I open a bug against linux kernel I'm not sent to one bug system, which then creates a new bug for me in a second system without letting me know how to get there + making it impossible to comment on that. >With more then 300 new mails going out onto OpenJDK lists every day, >having one mailing list for everything would be rather impractical for >many OpenJDK developers - and the needs of many outweigh the needs of >the few (at least in this case ;). I'm not asking for one mailing list for all. I'm suggesting you don't cut of users that is so kind to take time to open a bug to help improve the project and product. I suggested that to be the issues reported via the website is possible to comment/follow without having to go through the ordeal that is required now. >In the particular case of this bug, you can see that the Component field >is 'core-libs' and that's a pretty good hint that the changes would be >discussed on the core-libs-dev mailing list: >http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2013-October/021807.html None of the mails, jiras etc. explains this - only found out by asking around at random. /max >cheers, >dalibor topic >-- >Oracle >Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 >Oracle Java Platform Group > >ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > >ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen >Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 >Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz > >Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Astrid Kepper, Val Maher > >Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Wed Oct 9 12:10:26 2013 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 14:10:26 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <20131009110019.GJ55352@slowbeard.local> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> <20131003143758.GN40382@slowbeard.local> <52547825.7090301@oracle.com> <20131009110019.GJ55352@slowbeard.local> Message-ID: <525547B2.6000302@oracle.com> On 10/9/13 1:00 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > When I open a bug against linux kernel I'm not sent to one bug system, > which then creates a new bug for me in a second system without letting me know how to get there + making it impossible to comment on that. I think that is pretty much what happens when you file a bug against the kernel in a Linux distribution's bug system, and the conversation gets moved into the kernel bugzilla. Reading the different distributions different instructions on filing kernel bugs [0] can be quite enlightening on how 'closed' real-world open source development on large projects can be in practice to newcomers. That's why conversations are important. ;) > I suggested that to be the issues reported via the website is possible to comment/follow > without having to go through the ordeal that is required now. That is a fine suggestion. Do you think a partial map of Component/Release/etc. items to one of http://mail.openjdk.java.net/mailman/listinfo would be a fair start? cheers, dalibor topic [0] File it in our distribution bug tracker. File it in the upstream kernel bug tracker. Post it to one of those kernel vger lists, and you'll hopefully know which one. Send it to the maintainer directly. Following this format. Or that. Do this. Do something else. Wait. Try again. Repeat as often as you need. Or like. ;) -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Astrid Kepper, Val Maher Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From martijnverburg at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 12:27:19 2013 From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:27:19 +0100 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <525547B2.6000302@oracle.com> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> <20131003143758.GN40382@slowbeard.local> <52547825.7090301@oracle.com> <20131009110019.GJ55352@slowbeard.local> <525547B2.6000302@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi all, On 9 October 2013 13:10, Dalibor Topic wrote: > On 10/9/13 1:00 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: > > When I open a bug against linux kernel I'm not sent to one bug system, > > which then creates a new bug for me in a second system without letting > me know how to get there + making it impossible to comment on that. > > I think that is pretty much what happens when you file a bug against the > kernel > in a Linux distribution's bug system, and the conversation gets moved into > the > kernel bugzilla. > > Reading the different distributions different instructions on filing > kernel bugs [0] > can be quite enlightening on how 'closed' real-world open source > development on large > projects can be in practice to newcomers. That's why conversations are > important. ;) > > > I suggested that to be the issues reported via the website is possible > to comment/follow > > without having to go through the ordeal that is required now. > > That is a fine suggestion. Do you think a partial map of > Component/Release/etc. items to one of > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/mailman/listinfo would be a fair start? > If it helps, we've compiled such a list for the Betterrev project, it's currently in SQL format, but we can probably export it as something else reasonably quickly. The complex relationships were interesting to map (and we're not sure we've got them all correct yet). > cheers, > dalibor topic > > [0] File it in our distribution bug tracker. File it in the upstream > kernel bug tracker. Post it to one > of those kernel vger lists, and you'll hopefully know which one. Send it > to the maintainer directly. > Following this format. Or that. Do this. Do something else. Wait. Try > again. Repeat as often > as you need. Or like. ;) > > -- > Oracle > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 +491737185961> > Oracle Java Platform Group > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen > Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: J?rgen Kunz > > Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Astrid Kepper, Val Maher > > Green Oracle Oracle is committed to > developing practices and products that help protect the environment > From manderse at redhat.com Wed Oct 9 14:59:34 2013 From: manderse at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 16:59:34 +0200 Subject: JDK-8025128 and How to comment/proceed on issue I have reported ? In-Reply-To: <525547B2.6000302@oracle.com> References: <20131003120228.GB40382@slowbeard.local> <524D6CB5.6000907@univ-mlv.fr> <20131003143758.GN40382@slowbeard.local> <52547825.7090301@oracle.com> <20131009110019.GJ55352@slowbeard.local> <525547B2.6000302@oracle.com> Message-ID: <20131009145934.GN55352@slowbeard.local> On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 02:10:26PM +0200, Dalibor Topic wrote: >On 10/9/13 1:00 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: >> When I open a bug against linux kernel I'm not sent to one bug system, >> which then creates a new bug for me in a second system without letting me know how to get there + making it impossible to comment on that. > >I think that is pretty much what happens when you file a bug against the kernel >in a Linux distribution's bug system, and the conversation gets moved into the >kernel bugzilla. 1) I can actually follow the original bug in linux distribution bug system - it doesn't dissappear 2) a link is normally posted on the original bug to point to the upstream...where I can normally go also participate. in openjkd case, there is no access to #1 and #2 is not possible/allowed since jira is not possible to comment on :) >Reading the different distributions different instructions on filing kernel bugs [0] >can be quite enlightening on how 'closed' real-world open source development on large >projects can be in practice to newcomers. That's why conversations are important. ;) > >> I suggested that to be the issues reported via the website is possible to comment/follow >> without having to go through the ordeal that is required now. > >That is a fine suggestion. Do you think a partial map of Component/Release/etc. items to one of >http://mail.openjdk.java.net/mailman/listinfo would be a fair start? Something like that would be a start for sure. /max >cheers, >dalibor topic > >[0] File it in our distribution bug tracker. File it in the upstream kernel bug tracker. Post it to one >of those kernel vger lists, and you'll hopefully know which one. Send it to the maintainer directly. >Following this format. Or that. Do this. Do something else. Wait. Try again. Repeat as often >as you need. Or like. ;) > >-- >Oracle >Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 >Oracle Java Platform Group > >ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. 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This year FOSDEM Free Java DevRoom will be Saturday the 1st of February 2014 in Brussels, Belgium, with usual additional events and meetings on Friday, Saturday and Sunday; please, refer to the FOSDEM website for the schedule of the whole event: https://fosdem.org/2014/ The Free Java DevRoom has become unique in that it has attracted hackers from very different Free Software Java projects, giving the opportunity to bring together companies of various sizes, different project communities, mainstream core Java developers, alternative Java language implementations and runtimes, and everything that form the Free Java Universe, everybody participating to share their knowledge in an atmosphere of cooperation and friendly competition. So much attention is given to porting various languages on the Java Virtual Machine and porting the JVM on new platform (arm64?) and context (cloud?), so join us to discuss this year's theme: "JVM melting pot". As always, check out our wiki for more details on the conference: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/DevJam/2014/Fosdem And join the Free Java DevoRoom mailing list [java-devroom at lists.fosdem.org][1]: https://lists.fosdem.org/mailman/listinfo/java-devroom Please submit one (or more) 25 minute talk proposal(s) by the 1st of December 2013, 23.59 CET on the mailing list [2]. A template for submitting a talk can be found at: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/DevJam/2014/Fosdem/CallForParticipation Tracks will be announced around 6th of December on the mailing list. Please join us! --The Free Java DevRoom Organizing Committee [1] NOTE: The mailing list address changed from the last years, so please update your bookmarks. [2] Also the deadline has been shifted before the usual deadline of every year, please update your calendars too :) From donald.smith at oracle.com Tue Oct 22 23:50:49 2013 From: donald.smith at oracle.com (Donald Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:50:49 -0400 Subject: 2013 OpenJDK Scorecard Survey Message-ID: <52670F59.9020700@oracle.com> OpenJDK Discuss Readers, You may recall last year we started a OpenJDK Scorecard to help track the progress of the OpenJDK community in a number of areas[1]. The scorecard has two parts, a Community Scorecard covering areas related to Infrastructure, Governance and IP; and a Per-Project Scorecard covering Visibility and Technical Matters. The Per-Project Scorecard is for the JDK 8, JDK 7 Updates and OpenJFX Projects. Other Projects may complete scorecards at their discretion. To help track progress, please complete the Community Scorecard first [2], and then the Per-Project Scorecard [3] for each specific project you wish. Please send your feedback no later than 20:00 PDT, Friday, November 1st. A big thanks again to those who helped draft and review the initial scorecard (last year) including people from IBM, LJC, Red Hat and SAP. [1] - http://openjdk.java.net/groups/gb/scorecard/2012-09-27.pdf [2] - Link to Community Scorecard (start here): https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JHL2YX3 [3] - Link to Per-Project Scorecard (Please do this one for at least one Project): https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JH79ZJW From falcon.sheep at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 05:07:18 2013 From: falcon.sheep at gmail.com (Abu Abdullah) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 09:07:18 +0400 Subject: allow compile apple api in windows Message-ID: Hi, I cannot compile code with MAC OS api in windows e.g. com.apple.eawt.* is there a reason to remove it from windows JDK From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com Sun Oct 27 11:24:00 2013 From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:24:00 +0000 Subject: allow compile apple api in windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526CF7D0.1060907@oracle.com> On 27/10/2013 05:07, Abu Abdullah wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot compile code with MAC OS api in windows e.g. com.apple.eawt.* > is there a reason to remove it from windows JDK To my knowledge, this API has always been Mac OS X specific. It was included in Apple's JDK and came into OpenJDK when the Mac port was added. So I don't think you can compile against the Windows JDK as the classes don't exist. There was a lengthy thread about it over the summer on macosx-port-dev so you might want to check the mail archives (my recollection is that there were a few replies from folks that used stubs or other means to workaround it). -Alan. From donald.smith at oracle.com Wed Oct 30 17:37:08 2013 From: donald.smith at oracle.com (Donald Smith) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:37:08 -0400 Subject: [REMINDER] [DEADLINE APPROACHING] Re: 2013 OpenJDK Scorecard Survey In-Reply-To: <52670F59.9020700@oracle.com> References: <52670F59.9020700@oracle.com> Message-ID: <527143C4.9030302@oracle.com> Just a final reminder -- please take a few minutes and complete the survey, if you have not already. - Don On 22/10/2013 7:50 PM, Donald Smith wrote: > OpenJDK Discuss Readers, > > You may recall last year we started a OpenJDK Scorecard to help track > the progress of the OpenJDK community in a number of areas[1]. The > scorecard has two parts, a Community Scorecard covering areas related > to Infrastructure, Governance and IP; and a Per-Project Scorecard > covering Visibility and Technical Matters. The Per-Project Scorecard > is for the JDK 8, JDK 7 Updates and OpenJFX Projects. Other Projects > may complete scorecards at their discretion. > > To help track progress, please complete the Community Scorecard first > [2], and then the Per-Project Scorecard [3] for each specific project > you wish. Please send your feedback no later than 20:00 PDT, Friday, > November 1st. > > A big thanks again to those who helped draft and review the initial > scorecard (last year) including people from IBM, LJC, Red Hat and SAP. > > [1] - http://openjdk.java.net/groups/gb/scorecard/2012-09-27.pdf > > [2] - Link to Community Scorecard (start here): > https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JHL2YX3 > > [3] - Link to Per-Project Scorecard (Please do this one for at least > one Project): > https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JH79ZJW From joe.darcy at oracle.com Wed Oct 30 23:02:57 2013 From: joe.darcy at oracle.com (Joseph Darcy) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:02:57 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52719021.4050907@oracle.com> Vote:yes -Joe On 10/30/2013 3:30 PM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From david.holmes at oracle.com Wed Oct 30 22:58:50 2013 From: david.holmes at oracle.com (David Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:58:50 +1000 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52718F2A.5010908@oracle.com> Vote: yes David Holmes On 31/10/2013 8:30 AM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > From jjh.javase at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 23:01:28 2013 From: jjh.javase at gmail.com (Jim Holmlund) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:01:28 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52718FC8.5010204@gmail.com> Vote: yes - jjh On 10/30/2013 3:30 PM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > From gnu.andrew at redhat.com Wed Oct 30 23:14:23 2013 From: gnu.andrew at redhat.com (Andrew) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <1305372681.16616522.1383174863542.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> ----- Original Message ----- > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > Reading [5], it doesn't seem to be possible to vote no? -- Andrew :) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) PGP Key: 248BDC07 (https://keys.indymedia.org/) Fingerprint = EC5A 1F5E C0AD 1D15 8F1F 8F91 3B96 A578 248B DC07 From mandy.chung at oracle.com Wed Oct 30 23:16:10 2013 From: mandy.chung at oracle.com (Mandy Chung) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:16:10 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <5271933A.1010405@oracle.com> Vote: yes Mandy From neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 23:18:07 2013 From: neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com (Mario Torre) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 00:18:07 +0100 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: Vote: Yes, Cheers, Mario Il 30/ott/2013 23:40 ha scritto: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > From david.katleman at oracle.com Wed Oct 30 23:30:16 2013 From: david.katleman at oracle.com (David Katleman) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:30:16 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52719688.7040804@oracle.com> Vote: yes Dave On 10/30/2013 3:30 PM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From naoto.sato at oracle.com Wed Oct 30 23:34:10 2013 From: naoto.sato at oracle.com (Naoto Sato) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:34:10 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52719772.4040002@oracle.com> Vote: yes Naoto On 10/30/13 3:30 PM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From chris.hegarty at oracle.com Wed Oct 30 23:52:58 2013 From: chris.hegarty at oracle.com (Chris Hegarty) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:52:58 +0000 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: Vote: Yes -Chris > On 30 Oct 2013, at 22:30, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. From yuka.kamiya at oracle.com Wed Oct 30 23:56:11 2013 From: yuka.kamiya at oracle.com (Yuka Kamiya) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:56:11 +0900 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52719C9B.3030907@oracle.com> Vote: yes (2013/10/31 7:30), mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From steven.loomis at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 01:33:56 2013 From: steven.loomis at oracle.com (Steven R. Loomis) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:33:56 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <5271B384.6040907@oracle.com> Vote:yes On 30/10/13 15:30, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From david.holmes at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 02:11:12 2013 From: david.holmes at oracle.com (David Holmes) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:11:12 +1000 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <1305372681.16616522.1383174863542.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> <1305372681.16616522.1383174863542.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5271BC40.3090208@oracle.com> On 31/10/2013 9:14 AM, Andrew wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >> I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead >> and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. >> >> The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference >> implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a >> corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. >> >> The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and >> small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed >> and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. >> >> Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 >> Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will >> be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. >> >> Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. >> >> Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. >> Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this >> message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. >> >> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. >> >> - Mark >> >> >> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps >> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 >> [3] >> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 >> [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members >> [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote >> > > Reading [5], it doesn't seem to be possible to vote no? Sure it is, but it is spelt "veto". David From karen.kinnear at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 02:41:48 2013 From: karen.kinnear at oracle.com (Karen Kinnear) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:41:48 -0400 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: Vote: yes On Oct 30, 2013, at 6:30 PM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From artem.ananiev at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 07:30:15 2013 From: artem.ananiev at oracle.com (Artem Ananiev) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:30:15 +0400 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52720707.9050604@oracle.com> Vote: yes Artem On 10/31/2013 2:30 AM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > From Alan.Bateman at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 07:40:58 2013 From: Alan.Bateman at oracle.com (Alan Bateman) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:40:58 +0000 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <5272098A.2010107@oracle.com> Vote: yes From masayoshi.okutsu at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 07:48:35 2013 From: masayoshi.okutsu at oracle.com (Masayoshi Okutsu) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:48:35 +0900 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52720B53.9000508@oracle.com> Vote:yes On 10/31/2013 7:30 AM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From laurent.daynes at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 08:08:13 2013 From: laurent.daynes at oracle.com (Laurent Daynes) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:08:13 +0100 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <5272098A.2010107@oracle.com> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> <5272098A.2010107@oracle.com> Message-ID: <52720FED.3030504@oracle.com> Vote:yes From daniel.fuchs at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 08:14:14 2013 From: daniel.fuchs at oracle.com (Daniel Fuchs) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:14:14 +0100 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52721156.8060606@oracle.com> Vote: yes -- daniel On 10/30/13 11:30 PM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From volker.simonis at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 08:36:26 2013 From: volker.simonis at gmail.com (Volker Simonis) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:36:26 +0100 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: Hi Mark, what's the reasoning behind "The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and small enhancements only.". Is this a change of the development model compared to JDK 8 - i.e. will 'bigger changes' (whatever that may be) be only allowed if theres' a JEP for them? And how does the creation of the JDK 9 project affect the HotSpot development. I recall from various discussions that you wanted to abandon the HotSpot Express model. So will the JDK 9 still use the latest and greatest HotSpot from hsx/hotspot-main or do you plan to have another model? I you still use the one from hsx/hotspot-main, will the HotSpot version number be bumped to 26 once the JDK 9 repositories have been created. Thank you and best regards, Volker On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:30 PM, wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From paul.sandoz at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 08:47:59 2013 From: paul.sandoz at oracle.com (Paul Sandoz) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:47:59 +0100 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <52718F2A.5010908@oracle.com> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> <52718F2A.5010908@oracle.com> Message-ID: Vote: yes. Paul. From neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 08:52:18 2013 From: neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com (Mario Torre) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:52:18 +0100 Subject: Veto vs no was: Re: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 Message-ID: (Changed subject to not pollute the voting thread) But "veto" is something different, is meant to block the election. You need the majority of "no" to reject the voting, but only one "veto" is enough (although our veto here need to be justified and discussed, etc...). Anyway, this is mostly academical in this case, why anyone would ever want to reject the JDK 9 project :) Nevertheless, I propose to amend the bylaws for correctness (to be in effect for next voting of course) adding "no" as an option. Cheers, Mario Il 31/ott/2013 03:12 "David Holmes" ha scritto: > On 31/10/2013 9:14 AM, Andrew wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead >>> and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. >>> >>> The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference >>> implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a >>> corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. >>> >>> The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and >>> small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed >>> and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. >>> >>> Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 >>> Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will >>> be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. >>> >>> Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. >>> >>> Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. >>> Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this >>> message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. >>> >>> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. >>> >>> - Mark >>> >>> >>> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps >>> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/**census#jdk8 >>> [3] >>> http://www.timeanddate.com/**worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=** >>> OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=**20131113T2359 >>> [4] http://openjdk.java.net/**census#members >>> [5] http://openjdk.java.net/**projects/#new-project-vote >>> >>> >> Reading [5], it doesn't seem to be possible to vote no? >> > > Sure it is, but it is spelt "veto". > > David > > From anthony.petrov at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 12:32:14 2013 From: anthony.petrov at oracle.com (Anthony Petrov) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:32:14 +0400 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52724DCE.3070607@oracle.com> Vote: YES -- best regards, Anthony On 10/31/2013 02:30 AM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > From sean.mullan at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 13:27:20 2013 From: sean.mullan at oracle.com (Sean Mullan) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:27:20 -0400 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52725AB8.3010505@oracle.com> Vote: yes --Sean From yuri.nesterenko at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 13:49:04 2013 From: yuri.nesterenko at oracle.com (Yuri Nesterenko) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:49:04 +0400 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52725FD0.8030704@oracle.com> Vote: yes From jeff.dinkins at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 13:55:55 2013 From: jeff.dinkins at oracle.com (Jeff Dinkins) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:55:55 -0500 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <52718F2A.5010908@oracle.com> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> <52718F2A.5010908@oracle.com> Message-ID: <54C88AE7-9075-4FFD-B89B-5E1B6846B0F9@oracle.com> Vote: yes On 31/10/2013 8:30 AM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > From dbhole at redhat.com Thu Oct 31 14:07:03 2013 From: dbhole at redhat.com (Deepak Bhole) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:07:03 -0400 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <20131031140702.GA28362@redhat.com> Vote: yes * mark.reinhold at oracle.com [2013-10-30 18:41]: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From sean.coffey at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 15:52:11 2013 From: sean.coffey at oracle.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=E1n_Coffey?=) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:52:11 +0000 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52727CAB.7080202@oracle.com> Vote: yes regards, Sean. On 30/10/2013 22:30, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From kellyohair at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 16:05:00 2013 From: kellyohair at gmail.com (Kelly O'Hair) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:05:00 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <70BA8731-C177-4E5D-BF73-C35C7F6AF942@gmail.com> Vote: YES -kto On Oct 30, 2013, at 3:30 PM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 16:32:45 2013 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:32:45 +0100 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <5272862D.1080804@oracle.com> Vote: Yes. -- Oracle Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 Oracle Java Platform Group ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. 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Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Astrid Kepper, Val Maher Green Oracle Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From gnu.andrew at redhat.com Thu Oct 31 17:04:18 2013 From: gnu.andrew at redhat.com (Andrew) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <5271BC40.3090208@oracle.com> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> <1305372681.16616522.1383174863542.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <5271BC40.3090208@oracle.com> Message-ID: <1604026822.17538144.1383239058789.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> ----- Original Message ----- > On 31/10/2013 9:14 AM, Andrew wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > >> and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > >> > >> The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > >> implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > >> corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > >> > >> The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > >> small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > >> and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > >> > >> Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > >> Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > >> be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > >> > >> Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > >> > >> Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > >> Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > >> message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > >> > >> For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > >> > >> - Mark > >> > >> > >> [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > >> [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > >> [3] > >> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > >> [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > >> [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > >> > > > > Reading [5], it doesn't seem to be possible to vote no? > > Sure it is, but it is spelt "veto". > > David > > They aren't the same thing, plus "Lazy Consensus ? There are no vetoes.". [0] [0] http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#lazy-consensus -- Andrew :) Free Java Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) PGP Key: 248BDC07 (https://keys.indymedia.org/) Fingerprint = EC5A 1F5E C0AD 1D15 8F1F 8F91 3B96 A578 248B DC07 From Peter.B.Kessler at Oracle.COM Thu Oct 31 17:25:25 2013 From: Peter.B.Kessler at Oracle.COM (Peter B. Kessler) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:25:25 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <52729285.9010107@Oracle.COM> Vote: yes. ... peter From magnus.ihse.bursie at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 20:37:22 2013 From: magnus.ihse.bursie at oracle.com (Magnus Ihse Bursie) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:37:22 +0100 Subject: Veto vs no was: Re: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <1604026822.17538144.1383239058789.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> <1305372681.16616522.1383174863542.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> <5271BC40.3090208@oracle.com> <1604026822.17538144.1383239058789.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> Message-ID: <5272BF82.8080703@oracle.com> On 2013-10-31 18:04, Andrew wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- >> On 31/10/2013 9:14 AM, Andrew wrote: >> >>>> [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote >>>> >>> Reading [5], it doesn't seem to be possible to vote no? >> Sure it is, but it is spelt "veto". >> >> David >> >> > They aren't the same thing, plus "Lazy Consensus ? There are no vetoes.". [0] > > [0] http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#lazy-consensus Why don't you read the whole paragraph you're quoting from? ---snip--- *Consensus voting* These methods are used for decisions that do not require the full attention of the set of eligible voters. In the consensus methods the possible votes are Yes, Veto, and Abstain. A *Veto* must be accompanied by a justification; a Veto without a justification is invalid. If a Veto is raised then the voter who raised the veto and those who support the proposed action must work together to reach a mutually-agreeable resolution. If a Veto is resolved then the voter who raised the Veto must withdraw that vote by explicitly abstaining or by casting a Yes vote. These Bylaws use two methods of consensus voting: *Lazy Consensus* ? There are no vetoes. *Three-Vote Consensus* ? There are no vetoes, and at least three Yes votes or else unanimity if there are fewer than three eligible voters. ---snip--- I think it's pretty clear that when doing consensus voting, if you disagree you do not vote "no", but "veto". That's kind of the point of consensus -- you can't have one person voting "no" and the majority voting "yes" and then that single person gets overruled. Then it's not consensus, but a majority vote. Also, I think it's pretty clear, at least in the context of the three-vote consensus, that the "there are no vetoes" description on lazy consensus is the definition of what's required to consider the proposal ratified. The interpretation "lazy consensus is a consensus voting method where veto is not allowed" seems quite far-fetched... So the absence of "no" as a vote is not a bug, it's an explicit feature. /Magnus From bradford.wetmore at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 20:56:45 2013 From: bradford.wetmore at oracle.com (Bradford Wetmore) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:56:45 -0700 Subject: CFV: New Project: JDK 9 In-Reply-To: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <5272C40D.4030202@oracle.com> Vote: yes Brad On 10/30/2013 3:30 PM, mark.reinhold at oracle.com wrote: > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > - Mark > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote > From John.Coomes at oracle.com Thu Oct 31 23:23:17 2013 From: John.Coomes at oracle.com (John Coomes) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:23:17 -0700 Subject: hsx and jdk9 (was Re: CFV: New Project: JDK 9) In-Reply-To: References: <20131030153020.274677@eggemoggin.niobe.net> Message-ID: <21106.58981.754039.206219@oracle.com> Volker Simonis (volker.simonis at gmail.com) wrote: > Hi Mark, > ... > And how does the creation of the JDK 9 project affect the HotSpot > development. I recall from various discussions that you wanted to > abandon the HotSpot Express model. So will the JDK 9 still use the > latest and greatest HotSpot from hsx/hotspot-main or do you plan to > have another model? ... Hi Volker, Note that I've changed the subject and BCC'd discuss, since I think this is best handled on the hotspot-dev mailing list. We (hotspot) will at some point start integrating sources from hsx/hotspot-main into the jdk9 master repos; the process will be similar to what we have done during jdk8 development. In other words, hsx/hotspot-main (and the related hsx/hotspot-{group} repos) will remain our "ongoing-development" repos. Note that currently the repos are targeting jdk8, so *only* jdk8 fixes should be pushed to hsx/hotspot-main and friends. > ... I you still use the one from hsx/hotspot-main, > will the HotSpot version number be bumped to 26 once the JDK 9 > repositories have been created. We actually want to drop the separate version number for hotspot. There was some thought of doing that for jdk8, but it was rather late in the release. When the jdk9 repos open and hsx/hotspot-main switches to jdk9 development (or soon after), we want to change the sources so that 'java -version' simply reports the jdk version. Here's an example of what a promoted build of the Oracle JDK might look like: java version "1.8.0-ea" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.9.0-ea-b01) Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.9.0-ea-b01, mixed mode) Builds by developers would most likely not have the build number set, so instead of a build number we would substitute something like a mercurial hash if available, or a timestamp if not. Here's one possible example (note that this has not finalized by any means): java version "1.8.0-ea" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.9.0-ea-b01) Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.9.0-ea-b01+d8eaf13402cd, mixed mode) Which means it's based on 1.9 b01, but has additional changesets beyond that, and the 'tip' changeset is d8eaf13402cd. -John > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:30 PM, wrote: > > I hereby propose the creation of the JDK 9 Project, with me as the Lead > > and the Governing Board as the sponsoring Group. > > > > The goal of this Project will be to produce an open-source reference > > implementation of the Java SE 9 Platform, which will be specified in a > > corresponding JSR, yet to be submitted, in the Java Community Process. > > > > The Project's repositories will initially be open for bug fixes and > > small enhancements only. Features for the release will be proposed > > and tracked via the existing JEP Process [1]. > > > > Anyone who holds the Author, Committer, or Reviewer role in the JDK 8 > > Project [2] and has contributed at least one changeset to JDK 8 will > > be granted the same role in the JDK 9 Project. > > > > Votes are due by 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 13 November [3]. > > > > Only current OpenJDK Members [4] are eligible to vote on this motion. > > Votes must be cast in the open on the discuss list. Replying to this > > message is sufficient if your mail program honors the Reply-To header. > > > > For Lazy Consensus voting instructions, see [5]. > > > > - Mark > > > > > > [1] http://openjdk.java.net/jeps > > [2] http://openjdk.java.net/census#jdk8 > > [3] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OpenJDK+JDK+9+CFV&iso=20131113T2359 > > [4] http://openjdk.java.net/census#members > > [5] http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#new-project-vote