From daniel.smith at oracle.com Thu Aug 4 21:17:04 2016 From: daniel.smith at oracle.com (Dan Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:17:04 -0700 Subject: Non-coding project participants Message-ID: Hi, In the Valhalla project we have some potential project participants who do not intend to submit patches to the project repositories, but would like to contribute to the project wiki, or perhaps in other non-coding ways. What is the recommended process for setting up these people? From the OpenJDK wiki: "Anyone who has registered in the OpenJDK infrastructure (for instance by becoming a Project Author) may edit the Group and Project contents of this site." 1) Are there any other relevant Project roles (besides Author) for these non-coding participants? If not, to become an Author: "The Project Lead may appoint any Contributor who has made at least two sponsored contributions to the Project to be a Author." "Project Leads are encouraged to grant the Author role only to Contributors who appear likely to continue to contribute for some time so that they will eventually be nominated to the Committer role." "As a rough guide, a Contributor should make at least eight significant contributions to that Project before being nominated." These potential participants can sign an OCA, but aren't inclined to make code patches (we can create busywork for them to muck around in our repo, or store documentation in the repo rather than the wiki, but these are counter-productive workarounds). They do, however, have a history (or can establish a history) in mailing lists of "significant contributions to [the] Project". 2) Are Project Leads allowed the discretion of appointing Authors who have made "significant contributions" that do not take the form of "sponsored contributions" of code? 3) If the answers to (1) and (2) do not suggest a way forward, what should we do instead? Thanks, Dan From daniel.smith at oracle.com Thu Aug 4 22:35:50 2016 From: daniel.smith at oracle.com (Dan Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 15:35:50 -0700 Subject: Non-coding project participants In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <268EB315-FB90-4FB4-BAEE-63B845DD90F8@oracle.com> Turns out I asked a similar question a year and a half ago: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2015-January/003629.html In that case, I was asking about JBS access for non-Authors?essentially my question (1) below. Didn't get a definitive response, which I'll interpret as "no, for now". I am still curious about questions (2) and (3), though. ?Dan > On Aug 4, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > In the Valhalla project we have some potential project participants who do not intend to submit patches to the project repositories, but would like to contribute to the project wiki, or perhaps in other non-coding ways. > > What is the recommended process for setting up these people? > > From the OpenJDK wiki: "Anyone who has registered in the OpenJDK infrastructure (for instance by becoming a Project Author) may edit the Group and Project contents of this site." > > 1) Are there any other relevant Project roles (besides Author) for these non-coding participants? > > If not, to become an Author: > > "The Project Lead may appoint any Contributor who has made at least two sponsored contributions to the Project to be a Author." > > "Project Leads are encouraged to grant the Author role only to Contributors who appear likely to continue to contribute for some time so that they will eventually be nominated to the Committer role." > > "As a rough guide, a Contributor should make at least eight significant contributions to that Project before being nominated." > > These potential participants can sign an OCA, but aren't inclined to make code patches (we can create busywork for them to muck around in our repo, or store documentation in the repo rather than the wiki, but these are counter-productive workarounds). They do, however, have a history (or can establish a history) in mailing lists of "significant contributions to [the] Project". > > 2) Are Project Leads allowed the discretion of appointing Authors who have made "significant contributions" that do not take the form of "sponsored contributions" of code? > > 3) If the answers to (1) and (2) do not suggest a way forward, what should we do instead? > > Thanks, > Dan From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Fri Aug 5 07:40:51 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:40:51 +0200 Subject: Non-coding project participants In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 04.08.2016 23:17, Dan Smith wrote: > Hi, > > In the Valhalla project we have some potential project participants who do not intend to submit patches to the project repositories, but would like to contribute to the project wiki, or perhaps in other non-coding ways. Writing to a Wiki requires an Author Role or higher. See http://openjdk.java.net/projects/#project-author for details. Discussing entries on a wiki just requires participation on the mailing list, though. > What is the recommended process for setting up these people? They can sign up to the mailing list and provide their feedback there. > 1) Are there any other relevant Project roles (besides Author) for these non-coding participants? Yes: Participant & Contributor: http://openjdk.java.net/bylaws#participant > These potential participants can sign an OCA, but aren't inclined to make code patches (we can create busywork for them to muck around in our repo, Yeah, that's a bad idea. > or store documentation in the repo rather than the wiki, but these are counter-productive workarounds). Yeah, that's probably a bad idea, as well. > They do, however, have a history (or can establish a history) in mailing lists of "significant contributions to [the] Project". That seems extremely unlikely, based on prior experiences in OpenJDK. Consider for example the Adoption Group, which has a lot of Group Members who are not sufficiently actively contributing code to any OpenJDK Project to get at least an Author Role in any of them, despite being Group Members of an Adoption Group for quite a long time, and yet can all write to its Wiki by the virtue of being its Group Members. If you look at the edits at https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/Adoption/Main you'll find that almost no one of its members aside from myself, Rory and Martijn has ever edited it, despite being able to. > 2) Are Project Leads allowed the discretion of appointing Authors who have made "significant contributions" that do not take the form of "sponsored contributions" of code? No. > 3) If the answers to (1) and (2) do not suggest a way forward, what should we do instead? You should actively use the mailing list for discussions with Participants & Contributors, regularly soliciting their feedback - for example on Wiki improvements, or other areas you feel that their feedback would be valuable. That is more work than just lowering barriers to entry, and hoping for significant contributions from people who are "potential" participants, but it provides a much more valuable reward for the participation and contributions: human attention Basically, if you want significant contributions from "potential" participants, you need to spend a lot of work on them and mentoring those participants yourself. Just giving people who may do something someday write access on a vain hope that they may come through eventually with a significant improvement typically produces nothing of value, other than creating busywork for everyone involved. cheers, dalibor topic -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Fri Aug 5 07:44:44 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:44:44 +0200 Subject: Non-coding project participants In-Reply-To: <268EB315-FB90-4FB4-BAEE-63B845DD90F8@oracle.com> References: <268EB315-FB90-4FB4-BAEE-63B845DD90F8@oracle.com> Message-ID: <9f7058b7-d872-4366-9cbe-9a29a574dfb5@oracle.com> On 05.08.2016 00:35, Dan Smith wrote: > Turns out I asked a similar question a year and a half ago: > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2015-January/003629.html > > In that case, I was asking about JBS access for non-Authors?essentially my question (1) below. Didn't get a definitive response, which I'll interpret as "no, for now". I am still curious about questions (2) and (3), though. > The question in that case was based on the false premise that you need to have a JBS account in order to follow changes on issues. As I replied back then, that's not the case. cheers, dalibor topic -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From martijnverburg at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 08:00:20 2016 From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:00:20 +0100 Subject: Non-coding project participants In-Reply-To: <9f7058b7-d872-4366-9cbe-9a29a574dfb5@oracle.com> References: <268EB315-FB90-4FB4-BAEE-63B845DD90F8@oracle.com> <9f7058b7-d872-4366-9cbe-9a29a574dfb5@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi all, As a slight aside to this, I'd still like to see access to the web pages be made available. I currently have to send Valhalla website updates to Gavin and Brian to upload, which is irritating to say the least. It would be great to open up access to this workflow as many projects could benefit by having improved home pages on openjdk.java.net. Cheers, Martijn On 5 August 2016 at 08:44, dalibor topic wrote: > > > On 05.08.2016 00:35, Dan Smith wrote: > >> Turns out I asked a similar question a year and a half ago: >> http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2015-January/003629.html >> >> In that case, I was asking about JBS access for non-Authors?essentially >> my question (1) below. Didn't get a definitive response, which I'll >> interpret as "no, for now". I am still curious about questions (2) and >> (3), though. >> >> > The question in that case was based on the false premise that you need to > have a JBS account in order to follow changes on issues. > > As I replied back then, that's not the case. > > > cheers, > dalibor topic > > -- > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 > > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen > Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 > > Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment > From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Fri Aug 5 08:15:55 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:15:55 +0200 Subject: Non-coding project participants In-Reply-To: References: <268EB315-FB90-4FB4-BAEE-63B845DD90F8@oracle.com> <9f7058b7-d872-4366-9cbe-9a29a574dfb5@oracle.com> Message-ID: On 05.08.2016 10:00, Martijn Verburg wrote: > It > would be great to open up access to this workflow as many projects could > benefit by having improved home pages on openjdk.java.net > . I think most Projects should just use their Wiki page as their effective homepage. It's simple enough to edit & update for any Author (or above) on the Project and does not require setting up a particular workflow, bikeshedding about some JavaScript framework or another, etc. ;) cheers, dalibor topic -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From martijnverburg at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 08:21:13 2016 From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:21:13 +0100 Subject: Non-coding project participants In-Reply-To: References: <268EB315-FB90-4FB4-BAEE-63B845DD90F8@oracle.com> <9f7058b7-d872-4366-9cbe-9a29a574dfb5@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi Dalibor, I'd agree, but the wiki page is not the first thing that a new visitor sees. Perhaps that's the alternative solution. Make the Wiki Home page the home page for that project... Cheers, Martijn On 5 August 2016 at 09:15, dalibor topic wrote: > On 05.08.2016 10:00, Martijn Verburg wrote: > > It >> would be great to open up access to this workflow as many projects could >> benefit by having improved home pages on openjdk.java.net >> . >> > > I think most Projects should just use their Wiki page as their effective > homepage. It's simple enough to edit & update for any Author (or above) on > the Project and does not require setting up a particular workflow, > bikeshedding about some JavaScript framework or another, etc. ;) > > > cheers, > dalibor topic > -- > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 > > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen > Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 > > Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment > From daniel.smith at oracle.com Fri Aug 5 17:21:44 2016 From: daniel.smith at oracle.com (Dan Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:21:44 -0700 Subject: Non-coding project participants In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the response. I appreciate the insight into how you see a Project wiki operating. > On Aug 5, 2016, at 12:40 AM, dalibor topic wrote: > >> 3) If the answers to (1) and (2) do not suggest a way forward, what should we do instead? > > You should actively use the mailing list for discussions with Participants & Contributors, regularly soliciting their feedback - for example on Wiki improvements, or other areas you feel that their feedback would be valuable. > > That is more work than just lowering barriers to entry, and hoping for significant contributions from people who are "potential" participants, but it provides a much more valuable reward for the participation and contributions: > > human attention > > Basically, if you want significant contributions from "potential" participants, you need to spend a lot of work on them and mentoring those participants yourself. We'll consider this, along with alternative tools for collaboration. At this point, we're just trying to explore what our options are. I'll point out that there remains an assumption in the mentoring model you describe that, ultimately, helpful contributors will be coders. I'm not sure that's a path that makes sense for some of our participants, no matter how engaged and active they become. (Too early to provide some concrete evidence of that, though.) ?Dan From pbenedict at apache.org Tue Aug 9 19:47:07 2016 From: pbenedict at apache.org (Paul Benedict) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:47:07 -0500 Subject: List for technote/guide documentation issues? Message-ID: Is there a proper list to report non-api documentation issues? I think I found an error with some sample code. It would be nice if I could confirm it with someone first and then, if confirmed, have it go somewhere for fixing. Thank you. Cheers, Paul From philip.race at oracle.com Tue Aug 9 19:50:57 2016 From: philip.race at oracle.com (Philip Race) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:50:57 -0700 Subject: List for technote/guide documentation issues? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57AA3421.9030201@oracle.com> If it is not part of the "open sourced" docs then unfortunately openjdk is technically not the right place. But you could try find the openjdk mailing list for the area that it relates to and see if some expert on that list can comment on the code. It would then need to be reported as a doc bug at bugreport.java.com -phil. On 8/9/16, 12:47 PM, Paul Benedict wrote: > Is there a proper list to report non-api documentation issues? I think I > found an error with some sample code. It would be nice if I could confirm > it with someone first and then, if confirmed, have it go somewhere for > fixing. Thank you. > > Cheers, > Paul From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Wed Aug 10 12:54:04 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:54:04 +0200 Subject: Non-coding project participants In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94454c9c-166c-85b7-804a-523a94e3a552@oracle.com> On 05.08.2016 19:21, Dan Smith wrote: > I'll point out that there remains an assumption in the mentoring model you describe that, ultimately, helpful contributors will be coders. Yes. You can sometimes hear the siren song of "free labor" lurking just around the corner to do some non-code related work or other [0] in exchange for having some barrier to entry lowered. It doesn't quite work that way: You get the community you advertise for. If your project is about code, you'll get the kind of people who care about code. If your project is about more than code, then you also get the kind of people who care about other things, such as if you have a cool enough logo, or an adequate Pokemon Go clan to represent your Project, or your response to some random guy's blog post, or whatever it is that's current on their attention span roller coaster that day. The problem you encounter over time is that people who like code tend to like to spend time with it uninterrupted, because it's often enough hard work. At the same time, people who care more about other stuff than code, tend to communicate more about the non-code things they care about. That can lead to an unhealthy imbalance, where the attention seeking behavior is visibly rewarded with attention, while silent, steady work on code is not visibly rewarded as much. It causes frustrations for everyone down the road, as ultimately you have to ship working code to users, not advocacy, t-shirts, etc. That's not just a hypothetical problem - Bacon outlines his experiences with it as the Ubuntu Community Manager in [1]. You can find echoes of it in the many, many "open source burnout" blogs published in the past few years. Basically, you can either go down the path of the siren song of the free labor pool of non-coders, and then have to publicly "fire" the net negative contributors later, once you discover that they are causing more problems than their non-code contributions are worth, or you can make it clear that you mostly care about code contributions, and avoid having to frustrate some non-code contributors after they had sunk their time and effort into their lavish labors of love. I think the latter approach is preferable as it sets clearer expectations on all sides. cheers, dalibor topic [0] Advocacy! T-Shirts! Blogs! Translations! Logos! Ideas! Lots of great, free ideas, free of burdens of experience and rich with novelty! [1] https://opensource.com/life/15/3/how-to-fire-community-members -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From jbluettduncan at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:06:17 2016 From: jbluettduncan at gmail.com (Jonathan Bluett-Duncan) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:06:17 +0100 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: Hi all, My name is Jonathan, and I just had my OCA processed earlier today. Dalibor Topic suggested that I post on this mailing list to introduce myself, so I thought that would be a rather sensible thing to do. :) I'm an undergraduate Computer Science student at the University of Surrey, UK, and I'm in the middle of doing my dissertation. I've been following the archives of core-libs-dev over the last few months due to my interest in Java 9, and I'm currently in a situation where my studies aren't actually going to take up much of my time, so I thought it would be fun to participate on OpenJDK on the side, particularly on JEP 269: Convenience Factory Methods for Collections , which is an area that interests me especially and which I believe I have the skills and knowledge to help out with. I already posted yesterday on core-libs-dev at openjdk.java.net expressing my interest on JEP 269, so if you have any advice for me with getting started on OpenJDK or this particular JEP, please let me know, I'd be more than happy to listen. I look forward to working with you all. Kind regards, Jonathan Bluett-Duncan From martijnverburg at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 14:48:30 2016 From: martijnverburg at gmail.com (Martijn Verburg) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 22:48:30 +0800 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jonathan, Welcome to OpenJDK! Since you're interested in helping out with that particular feature I'd start with a couple of things: 1.) Havea look at http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/ 2.) Make sure you're comfortable with building OpenJDK 9 from the latest forest (jdk9) 3.) Make sure you're comfortable writing and running the tests (via jtreg). Just create a new temp test for say the String class and see if you can run it individually and part of a suite. 4.) I see you've contacted the mailing list (great!) - I think Stuart Marks is the assigned person / lead for that piece so it might be worth mentioning this on that mailing list and asking if he can respond and give you a recommended place to start (i.e. What can help him) Cheers, Martijn On 30 August 2016 at 02:06, Jonathan Bluett-Duncan wrote: > Hi all, > > My name is Jonathan, and I just had my OCA processed earlier today. > > Dalibor Topic suggested that I post on this mailing list to introduce > myself, so I thought that would be a rather sensible thing to do. :) > > I'm an undergraduate Computer Science student at the University of Surrey, > UK, and I'm in the middle of doing my dissertation. I've been following the > archives of core-libs-dev over the last few months due to my interest in > Java 9, and I'm currently in a situation where my studies aren't actually > going to take up much of my time, so I thought it would be fun to > participate on OpenJDK on the side, particularly on JEP 269: Convenience > Factory Methods for Collections , which > is an area that interests me especially and which I believe I have the > skills and knowledge to help out with. > > I already posted yesterday on core-libs-dev at openjdk.java.net expressing my > interest on JEP 269, so if you have any advice for me with getting started > on OpenJDK or this particular JEP, please let me know, I'd be more than > happy to listen. > > I look forward to working with you all. > > Kind regards, > Jonathan Bluett-Duncan > From forax at univ-mlv.fr Tue Aug 30 22:00:50 2016 From: forax at univ-mlv.fr (Remi Forax) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 00:00:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1880222680.864865.1472594450484.JavaMail.zimbra@u-pem.fr> Hi Johnathan, After getting familiar with jtreg, here is the umbrella bug for a lot of small enhancements that should be done to the immutable collections. https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8156070 Given that Stuart works currently on these bugs too, IMO to avoid collision, you should starts with bugs marked P5 or P4 that adds new tests, and then move to the bugs that add new methods. regards, R?mi ----- Mail original ----- > De: "Martijn Verburg" > ?: "Jonathan Bluett-Duncan" > Cc: "adoption-discuss at openjdk.java.net" > Envoy?: Mardi 30 Ao?t 2016 16:48:30 > Objet: Re: Introduction > Hi Jonathan, > > Welcome to OpenJDK! Since you're interested in helping out with that > particular feature I'd start with a couple of things: > > 1.) Havea look at http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/ > > 2.) Make sure you're comfortable with building OpenJDK 9 from the latest > forest (jdk9) > > 3.) Make sure you're comfortable writing and running the tests (via jtreg). > Just create a new temp test for say the String class and see if you can run > it individually and part of a suite. > > 4.) I see you've contacted the mailing list (great!) - I think Stuart Marks > is the assigned person / lead for that piece so it might be worth > mentioning this on that mailing list and asking if he can respond and give > you a recommended place to start (i.e. What can help him) > > > > Cheers, > Martijn > > On 30 August 2016 at 02:06, Jonathan Bluett-Duncan > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> My name is Jonathan, and I just had my OCA processed earlier today. >> >> Dalibor Topic suggested that I post on this mailing list to introduce >> myself, so I thought that would be a rather sensible thing to do. :) >> >> I'm an undergraduate Computer Science student at the University of Surrey, >> UK, and I'm in the middle of doing my dissertation. I've been following the >> archives of core-libs-dev over the last few months due to my interest in >> Java 9, and I'm currently in a situation where my studies aren't actually >> going to take up much of my time, so I thought it would be fun to >> participate on OpenJDK on the side, particularly on JEP 269: Convenience >> Factory Methods for Collections , which >> is an area that interests me especially and which I believe I have the >> skills and knowledge to help out with. >> >> I already posted yesterday on core-libs-dev at openjdk.java.net expressing my >> interest on JEP 269, so if you have any advice for me with getting started >> on OpenJDK or this particular JEP, please let me know, I'd be more than >> happy to listen. >> >> I look forward to working with you all. >> >> Kind regards, >> Jonathan Bluett-Duncan From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Wed Aug 31 10:43:38 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:43:38 +0200 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <1880222680.864865.1472594450484.JavaMail.zimbra@u-pem.fr> References: <1880222680.864865.1472594450484.JavaMail.zimbra@u-pem.fr> Message-ID: On 31.08.2016 00:00, Remi Forax wrote: > Given that Stuart works currently on these bugs too, IMO to avoid collision, you should starts with bugs marked P5 or P4 that adds new tests, and then move to the bugs that add new methods. FWIW, looking at http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk9/ , the time to focus on P4/P5 bugs seems to be very rapidly drawing to a close. cheers, dalibor topic -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From forax at univ-mlv.fr Wed Aug 31 13:13:15 2016 From: forax at univ-mlv.fr (Remi Forax) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:13:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1880222680.864865.1472594450484.JavaMail.zimbra@u-pem.fr> Message-ID: <397103724.1113483.1472649195241.JavaMail.zimbra@u-pem.fr> ----- Mail original ----- > De: "dalibor topic" > ?: discuss at openjdk.java.net > Envoy?: Mercredi 31 Ao?t 2016 12:43:38 > Objet: Re: Introduction > On 31.08.2016 00:00, Remi Forax wrote: >> Given that Stuart works currently on these bugs too, IMO to avoid collision, you >> should starts with bugs marked P5 or P4 that adds new tests, and then move to >> the bugs that add new methods. > > FWIW, looking at http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk9/ , the time to > focus on P4/P5 bugs seems to be very rapidly drawing to a close. > > cheers, > dalibor topic true, it's late in the game for jdk9 but, there will be a jdk10 (and several jdk9 updates) after jdk9 :) cheers, R?mi > > -- > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 > > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. 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