From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 16:30:53 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:30:53 +0300 Subject: Java EE Message-ID: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> Hello, all@ Very big sorry if I've missed something... 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to brake Java EE support? 2) are there any plans to fix this? 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current project to github or bitbucket? 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is it ok to be supported by community? 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle HR to be so smart to share something here about any chances to fix their plans to brake Java EE... 4) etc... Sincerely, Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:09:49 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:09:49 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep silence. Does he too like Depeche Mode and their appropriate song? In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or them+someOneElse to support this? May be it's an appropriate time to create something with community money support? What do you think? Thanks... On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > Hello, all@ > > Very big sorry if I've missed something... > > 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to brake Java EE support? > > 2) are there any plans to fix this? > > 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current project to github or > bitbucket? > > 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is it ok to be > supported by community? > > 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle HR to be so smart to > share something here about any chances to fix their plans to brake > Java EE... > > 4) etc... > > Sincerely, > Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:13:09 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:13:09 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat, but... May be redhat could become a assKick for Larry Ellison to become more responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep silence. Does he too > like Depeche Mode and their appropriate song? > > In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or them+someOneElse to > support this? > > May be it's an appropriate time to create something with community > money support? > > What do you think? > > Thanks... > > On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> Hello, all@ >> >> Very big sorry if I've missed something... >> >> 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to brake Java EE support? >> >> 2) are there any plans to fix this? >> >> 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current project to github or >> bitbucket? >> >> 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is it ok to be >> supported by community? >> >> 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle HR to be so smart to >> share something here about any chances to fix their plans to brake >> Java EE... >> >> 4) etc... >> >> Sincerely, >> Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) > From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:16:19 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:16:19 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in JAVA... very big sorry... misprint... %) On 07.07.16 20:13, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in > redhat, but... May be redhat could become a assKick for Larry Ellison > to become more responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) > > On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep silence. Does he too >> like Depeche Mode and their appropriate song? >> >> In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or them+someOneElse to >> support this? >> >> May be it's an appropriate time to create something with community >> money support? >> >> What do you think? >> >> Thanks... >> >> On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> Hello, all@ >>> >>> Very big sorry if I've missed something... >>> >>> 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to brake Java EE >>> support? >>> >>> 2) are there any plans to fix this? >>> >>> 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current project to github or >>> bitbucket? >>> >>> 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is it ok to be >>> supported by community? >>> >>> 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle HR to be so smart >>> to share something here about any chances to fix their plans to >>> brake Java EE... >>> >>> 4) etc... >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) >> > From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:20:53 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:20:53 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> Let's say from other point of suggestion... Is it ok for redHat (I saw guys from redHat here) to move Java to their support but with money help of community? as for me it's realistic and has sense... but if not then let's start 100% community project with money support as wikipedia has... Does it sound good? On 07.07.16 20:16, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > > > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat > > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in JAVA... > > very big sorry... misprint... %) > > On 07.07.16 20:13, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in >> redhat, but... May be redhat could become a assKick for Larry Ellison >> to become more responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) >> >> On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep silence. Does he too >>> like Depeche Mode and their appropriate song? >>> >>> In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or them+someOneElse >>> to support this? >>> >>> May be it's an appropriate time to create something with community >>> money support? >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Thanks... >>> >>> On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>> Hello, all@ >>>> >>>> Very big sorry if I've missed something... >>>> >>>> 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to brake Java EE >>>> support? >>>> >>>> 2) are there any plans to fix this? >>>> >>>> 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current project to github or >>>> bitbucket? >>>> >>>> 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is it ok to be >>>> supported by community? >>>> >>>> 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle HR to be so smart >>>> to share something here about any chances to fix their plans to >>>> brake Java EE... >>>> >>>> 4) etc... >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) >>> >> > From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:26:51 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:26:51 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E90DB.4040703@gmail.com> In general as Oracle is going to brake Java EE... May be it has sense to fork it just now and to think about it's money support just now? On 07.07.16 20:20, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > Let's say from other point of suggestion... > > Is it ok for redHat (I saw guys from redHat here) to move Java to > their support but with money help of community? as for me it's > realistic and has sense... but if not then let's start 100% community > project with money support as wikipedia has... > > Does it sound good? > > On 07.07.16 20:16, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> >> > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat >> >> Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in JAVA... >> >> very big sorry... misprint... %) >> >> On 07.07.16 20:13, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in >>> redhat, but... May be redhat could become a assKick for Larry >>> Ellison to become more responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) >>> >>> On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>> As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep silence. Does he >>>> too like Depeche Mode and their appropriate song? >>>> >>>> In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or them+someOneElse >>>> to support this? >>>> >>>> May be it's an appropriate time to create something with community >>>> money support? >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> Thanks... >>>> >>>> On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>>> Hello, all@ >>>>> >>>>> Very big sorry if I've missed something... >>>>> >>>>> 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to brake Java EE >>>>> support? >>>>> >>>>> 2) are there any plans to fix this? >>>>> >>>>> 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current project to github or >>>>> bitbucket? >>>>> >>>>> 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is it ok to be >>>>> supported by community? >>>>> >>>>> 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle HR to be so smart >>>>> to share something here about any chances to fix their plans to >>>>> brake Java EE... >>>>> >>>>> 4) etc... >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) >>>> >>> >> > From pbenedict at apache.org Thu Jul 7 17:29:33 2016 From: pbenedict at apache.org (Paul Benedict) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:29:33 -0500 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> Message-ID: Maryan, Java EE isn't developed under OpenJDK (because EE isn't the JDK). You are free, however, to follow/post to the message boards where the EE specification is developed. https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/pages/Home Cheers, Paul On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > Let's say from other point of suggestion... > > Is it ok for redHat (I saw guys from redHat here) to move Java to their > support but with money help of community? as for me it's realistic and has > sense... but if not then let's start 100% community project with money > support as wikipedia has... > > Does it sound good? > > > On 07.07.16 20:16, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > >> >> > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat >> >> Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in JAVA... >> >> very big sorry... misprint... %) >> >> On 07.07.16 20:13, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> >>> I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in >>> redhat, but... May be redhat could become a assKick for Larry Ellison to >>> become more responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) >>> >>> On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> >>>> As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep silence. Does he too >>>> like Depeche Mode and their appropriate song? >>>> >>>> In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or them+someOneElse to >>>> support this? >>>> >>>> May be it's an appropriate time to create something with community >>>> money support? >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> Thanks... >>>> >>>> On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, all@ >>>>> >>>>> Very big sorry if I've missed something... >>>>> >>>>> 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to brake Java EE >>>>> support? >>>>> >>>>> 2) are there any plans to fix this? >>>>> >>>>> 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current project to github or >>>>> bitbucket? >>>>> >>>>> 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is it ok to be >>>>> supported by community? >>>>> >>>>> 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle HR to be so smart to >>>>> share something here about any chances to fix their plans to brake Java >>>>> EE... >>>>> >>>>> 4) etc... >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:31:44 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:31:44 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E9200.5060506@gmail.com> Oops... Sorry Thanks On 07.07.16 20:29, Paul Benedict wrote: > Maryan, Java EE isn't developed under OpenJDK (because EE isn't the > JDK). You are free, however, to follow/post to the message boards > where the EE specification is developed. > https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/pages/Home > > Cheers, > Paul > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Maryan Bagnyuk > wrote: > > Let's say from other point of suggestion... > > Is it ok for redHat (I saw guys from redHat here) to move Java to > their support but with money help of community? as for me it's > realistic and has sense... but if not then let's start 100% > community project with money support as wikipedia has... > > Does it sound good? > > > On 07.07.16 20:16, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > > > > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat > > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in JAVA... > > very big sorry... misprint... %) > > On 07.07.16 20:13, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > > I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in fedora > but not in redhat, but... May be redhat could become a > assKick for Larry Ellison to become more > responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) > > On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > > As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep > silence. Does he too like Depeche Mode and their > appropriate song? > > In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or > them+someOneElse to support this? > > May be it's an appropriate time to create something > with community money support? > > What do you think? > > Thanks... > > On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > > Hello, all@ > > Very big sorry if I've missed something... > > 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to > brake Java EE support? > > 2) are there any plans to fix this? > > 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current > project to github or bitbucket? > > 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is > it ok to be supported by community? > > 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle > HR to be so smart to share something here about > any chances to fix their plans to brake Java EE... > > 4) etc... > > Sincerely, > Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) > > > > > > From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:34:04 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:34:04 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E9200.5060506@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> <577E9200.5060506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E928C.8020901@gmail.com> P.S. apache could also become a newPlaceHolderOfJava ;) with RedHat... sorry again for mad ideas ((( On 07.07.16 20:31, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > Oops... Sorry > > Thanks > > On 07.07.16 20:29, Paul Benedict wrote: >> Maryan, Java EE isn't developed under OpenJDK (because EE isn't the >> JDK). You are free, however, to follow/post to the message boards >> where the EE specification is developed. >> https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/pages/Home >> >> Cheers, >> Paul >> >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Maryan Bagnyuk >> wrote: >> >> Let's say from other point of suggestion... >> >> Is it ok for redHat (I saw guys from redHat here) to move Java to >> their support but with money help of community? as for me it's >> realistic and has sense... but if not then let's start 100% >> community project with money support as wikipedia has... >> >> Does it sound good? >> >> >> On 07.07.16 20:16, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> >> >> > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat >> >> Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in JAVA... >> >> very big sorry... misprint... %) >> >> On 07.07.16 20:13, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> >> I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in fedora >> but not in redhat, but... May be redhat could become a >> assKick for Larry Ellison to become more >> responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) >> >> On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> >> As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep >> silence. Does he too like Depeche Mode and their >> appropriate song? >> >> In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or >> them+someOneElse to support this? >> >> May be it's an appropriate time to create something >> with community money support? >> >> What do you think? >> >> Thanks... >> >> On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> >> Hello, all@ >> >> Very big sorry if I've missed something... >> >> 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to >> brake Java EE support? >> >> 2) are there any plans to fix this? >> >> 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current >> project to github or bitbucket? >> >> 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is >> it ok to be supported by community? >> >> 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle >> HR to be so smart to share something here about >> any chances to fix their plans to brake Java EE... >> >> 4) etc... >> >> Sincerely, >> Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) >> >> >> >> >> >> > From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:36:06 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:36:06 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E928C.8020901@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> <577E9200.5060506@gmail.com> <577E928C.8020901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E9306.6070404@gmail.com> Could you please kick someone in apache to take a look at current issue and suggested from side resolving?.. ;) On 07.07.16 20:34, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > P.S. apache could also become a newPlaceHolderOfJava ;) with RedHat... > sorry again for mad ideas ((( > > On 07.07.16 20:31, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> Oops... Sorry >> >> Thanks >> >> On 07.07.16 20:29, Paul Benedict wrote: >>> Maryan, Java EE isn't developed under OpenJDK (because EE isn't the >>> JDK). You are free, however, to follow/post to the message boards >>> where the EE specification is developed. >>> https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/pages/Home >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Paul >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Maryan Bagnyuk >>> wrote: >>> >>> Let's say from other point of suggestion... >>> >>> Is it ok for redHat (I saw guys from redHat here) to move Java >>> to their support but with money help of community? as for me >>> it's realistic and has sense... but if not then let's start 100% >>> community project with money support as wikipedia has... >>> >>> Does it sound good? >>> >>> >>> On 07.07.16 20:16, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> >>> >>> > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat >>> >>> Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in JAVA... >>> >>> very big sorry... misprint... %) >>> >>> On 07.07.16 20:13, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> >>> I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in >>> fedora but not in redhat, but... May be redhat could >>> become a assKick for Larry Ellison to become more >>> responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) >>> >>> On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> >>> As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep >>> silence. Does he too like Depeche Mode and their >>> appropriate song? >>> >>> In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or >>> them+someOneElse to support this? >>> >>> May be it's an appropriate time to create something >>> with community money support? >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Thanks... >>> >>> On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> >>> Hello, all@ >>> >>> Very big sorry if I've missed something... >>> >>> 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going >>> to brake Java EE support? >>> >>> 2) are there any plans to fix this? >>> >>> 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current >>> project to github or bitbucket? >>> >>> 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or >>> is it ok to be supported by community? >>> >>> 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle >>> HR to be so smart to share something here about >>> any chances to fix their plans to brake Java EE... >>> >>> 4) etc... >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 17:46:33 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:46:33 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E9375.50302@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E8CDD.8010506@gmail.com> <577E8DA5.6080706@gmail.com> <577E8E63.5020801@gmail.com> <577E8F75.4050400@gmail.com> <577E9200.5060506@gmail.com> <577E928C.8020901@gmail.com> <577E9306.6070404@gmail.com> <577E9375.50302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E9579.8060805@gmail.com> Opps. I've missed a main mail list ((( Probably, I have to have a rest ((( Sorry again... On 07.07.16 20:37, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > from my side resolving ((( > > what a day today? a day of epic fails from my side (((((((((((((((( sorry > > On 07.07.16 20:36, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >> Could you please kick someone in apache to take a look at current >> issue and suggested from side resolving?.. ;) >> >> On 07.07.16 20:34, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>> P.S. apache could also become a newPlaceHolderOfJava ;) with >>> RedHat... sorry again for mad ideas ((( >>> >>> On 07.07.16 20:31, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>> Oops... Sorry >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> On 07.07.16 20:29, Paul Benedict wrote: >>>>> Maryan, Java EE isn't developed under OpenJDK (because EE isn't >>>>> the JDK). You are free, however, to follow/post to the message >>>>> boards where the EE specification is developed. >>>>> https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/pages/Home >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Maryan Bagnyuk >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Let's say from other point of suggestion... >>>>> >>>>> Is it ok for redHat (I saw guys from redHat here) to move Java >>>>> to their support but with money help of community? as for me >>>>> it's realistic and has sense... but if not then let's start >>>>> 100% community project with money support as wikipedia has... >>>>> >>>>> Does it sound good? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 07.07.16 20:16, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in redhat >>>>> >>>>> Probably redhat is interested in fedora but not in JAVA... >>>>> >>>>> very big sorry... misprint... %) >>>>> >>>>> On 07.07.16 20:13, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I meant fedora... Probably redhat is interested in >>>>> fedora but not in redhat, but... May be redhat could >>>>> become a assKick for Larry Ellison to become more >>>>> responsive/resolving/etc for community? ;) >>>>> >>>>> On 07.07.16 20:09, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As I understand, Larry Ellison is going to keep >>>>> silence. Does he too like Depeche Mode and their >>>>> appropriate song? >>>>> >>>>> In any case... Is there any chance from redHat or >>>>> them+someOneElse to support this? >>>>> >>>>> May be it's an appropriate time to create >>>>> something with community money support? >>>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks... >>>>> >>>>> On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, all@ >>>>> >>>>> Very big sorry if I've missed something... >>>>> >>>>> 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going >>>>> to brake Java EE support? >>>>> >>>>> 2) are there any plans to fix this? >>>>> >>>>> 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current >>>>> project to github or bitbucket? >>>>> >>>>> 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or >>>>> is it ok to be supported by community? >>>>> >>>>> 3) are Oracle guys with community or will >>>>> Oracle HR to be so smart to share something >>>>> here about any chances to fix their plans to >>>>> brake Java EE... >>>>> >>>>> 4) etc... >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 18:26:13 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 21:26:13 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577E9EC5.5060403@gmail.com> Are we on the same page? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/07/oracle_java_ee_8/ Thanks to Paul for url... IMHO this brakes a lot... At least in openJDK ;) Let's revise my questions. Do they still sound mad? ;) On 07.07.16 19:30, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > Hello, all@ > > Very big sorry if I've missed something... > > 1) Is it correct to claim that Oracle is going to brake Java EE support? > > 2) are there any plans to fix this? > > 2.1) is there any chance/idea to move current project to github or > bitbucket? > > 2.2) is it critical to support it by Oracle or is it ok to be > supported by community? > > 3) are Oracle guys with community or will Oracle HR to be so smart to > share something here about any chances to fix their plans to brake > Java EE... > > 4) etc... > > Sincerely, > Maryan Bahnyuk (aka Maryan Bagnyuk) From fcassia at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 18:48:36 2016 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 18:48:36 +0000 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: <577E9EC5.5060403@gmail.com> References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E9EC5.5060403@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Maryan Bagnyuk wrote: > Are we on the same page? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/07/oracle_java_ee_8/ > Thanks to Paul for url... > > IMHO this brakes a lot... At least in openJDK ;) > > Let's revise my questions. > First, your English sucks.For instance, you mean "break" not "brake". Second, if you want to read ugly things about Oracle, read The Register. They have an anti-Oracle agenda since times immemorial. You can learn about the FUD angle just by looking at their headline "kill Java" when Java is not involved in the article, just the Java EE spec, which is developed under JCP. Third, you've been told that this isn't the place to discuss Java EE, as Java EE is not part of OpenJDK, yet you insisit, are you deaf, or blind?. Have a nice weekend. FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell From marbuga at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 19:06:19 2016 From: marbuga at gmail.com (Maryan Bagnyuk) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 22:06:19 +0300 Subject: Java EE In-Reply-To: References: <577E83BD.2050208@gmail.com> <577E9EC5.5060403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577EA82B.4090809@gmail.com> Thank you, Fernando, for feedback... First... Thanks for my English mark from your side... I could be wrong indeed. Second... My main point is not "to ugly Oracle" ;) Third... Sure... I am not blind but according to the main info most of Java EE developers are here... No? Have you read the url info? ;) And yep... Have a nice day/night/etc.. I hope, you'll rethink my posts... And they would not sound mad to you ;) On 07.07.16 21:48, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Maryan Bagnyuk > wrote: > > Are we on the same page? > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/07/oracle_java_ee_8/ > Thanks to Paul for url... > > IMHO this brakes a lot... At least in openJDK ;) > > Let's revise my questions. > > > First, your English sucks.For instance, you mean "break" not "brake". > > Second, if you want to read ugly things about Oracle, read The > Register. They have an anti-Oracle agenda since times immemorial. You > can learn about the FUD angle just by looking at their headline "kill > Java" when Java is not involved in the article, just the Java EE spec, > which is developed under JCP. > > Third, you've been told that this isn't the place to discuss Java EE, > as Java EE is not part of OpenJDK, yet you insisit, are you deaf, or > blind?. > > Have a nice weekend. > FC > > -- > During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a > revolutionary act > Durante ?pocas de Enga?o Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un > Acto Revolucionario > - George Orwell From robin.stevens at scz.be Fri Jul 8 12:12:27 2016 From: robin.stevens at scz.be (Robin Stevens) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:12:27 +0200 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: Hello, now that my OCA has been accepted, it is about time to introduce myself. I have been working with Java professionally for 8 years now at a company called Luciad in Belgium (http://luciad.com/). We are developing GIS software, and our desktop products are written in Java. For those interested in what we make, our corporate website hosts some videos (http://luciad.com/resources/videos), or you can browse to http://3d.luciad.com/ to see a demo of our RIA product (which is written in JS, but our Java product has the same functionality). Reason for joining is mainly to be able to fix issues in the JDK I encounter in my day-to-day job. For example we recently started working on supporting OS X, and after letting our existing test suite run on a Mac we found some issues which weren't present on other operating systems (mainly Aqua look-and-feel issues). For the majority of those issues, fixing the issue in the JDK was easier then trying to work around it in our code. By now, I already have made some contributions. I am going to hijack my own introduction to immediately ask some questions to which I did not found an answer in the documentation. If somebody could answer those, or point me in the direction of the correct documentation page, it would be greatly appreciated: - I already gained access to the JIRA bug tracker by becoming an author. If I stumble upon a new issue, can I log it directly in JIRA instead of having to go through http://bugs.java.com/ ? If so, is there a specific template I have to follow (like most of the existing bugs seem to be doing). - As my contributions will mostly be in the JDK code (and not in the other tools), is there some documentation on the recommended development setup and IDE integration ? My current way of working is really slow: write the failing test - adjust the code (without an IDE) - rebuild the whole JDK (and hope I didn't make a typo) - re-run the test and hope it passes. This is not only slow, there is also no way to do proper debugging except spamming the code with System.outs. I was hoping to be able to use an IDE to work on the Java side of the JDK, just like you would do for any other project. Regards, Robin From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Fri Jul 8 13:32:36 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:32:36 +0200 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b677b77-988c-bc8f-dd49-74eb3d032170@oracle.com> On 08.07.2016 14:12, Robin Stevens wrote: > If > I stumble upon a new issue, can I log it directly in JIRA instead of having > to go through http://bugs.java.com/ ? Yes. > If so, is there a specific template I > have to follow (like most of the existing bugs seem to be doing). See https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/general/JBS+Overview for details on using JBS. > > - As my contributions will mostly be in the JDK code (and not in the other > tools), is there some documentation on the recommended development setup > and IDE integration ? Yes. Please see http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk9/jdk9/jdk/file/67d03b02b35a/make/netbeans/README . cheers, dalibor topic -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From sean.coffey at oracle.com Fri Jul 8 13:41:00 2016 From: sean.coffey at oracle.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Se=c3=a1n_Coffey?=) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:41:00 +0100 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <1b677b77-988c-bc8f-dd49-74eb3d032170@oracle.com> References: <1b677b77-988c-bc8f-dd49-74eb3d032170@oracle.com> Message-ID: <577FAD6C.8090600@oracle.com> On 08/07/16 14:32, dalibor topic wrote: > > > On 08.07.2016 14:12, Robin Stevens wrote: >> If >> I stumble upon a new issue, can I log it directly in JIRA instead of >> having >> to go through http://bugs.java.com/ ? > > Yes. > >> If so, is there a specific template I >> have to follow (like most of the existing bugs seem to be doing). > > See https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/general/JBS+Overview for > details on using JBS. The bug logging guidelines from the bugs.java.com portal are also a useful resource : https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/troubleshoot/bugreports.html regards, Sean. > >> >> - As my contributions will mostly be in the JDK code (and not in the >> other >> tools), is there some documentation on the recommended development setup >> and IDE integration ? > > Yes. Please see > http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk9/jdk9/jdk/file/67d03b02b35a/make/netbeans/README > . > > cheers, > dalibor topic > From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Fri Jul 8 14:23:59 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:23:59 +0200 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <577FAD6C.8090600@oracle.com> References: <1b677b77-988c-bc8f-dd49-74eb3d032170@oracle.com> <577FAD6C.8090600@oracle.com> Message-ID: On 08.07.2016 15:41, Se?n Coffey wrote: > > On 08/07/16 14:32, dalibor topic wrote: >> >> >> On 08.07.2016 14:12, Robin Stevens wrote: >>> If >>> I stumble upon a new issue, can I log it directly in JIRA instead of >>> having >>> to go through http://bugs.java.com/ ? >> >> Yes. >> >>> If so, is there a specific template I >>> have to follow (like most of the existing bugs seem to be doing). >> >> See https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/general/JBS+Overview for >> details on using JBS. > > The bug logging guidelines from the bugs.java.com portal are also a > useful resource : > https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/troubleshoot/bugreports.html Yep. Also worth noting as a general point, rather than specifically to Robin's question, is that JBS is mostly 'self-service' for OpenJDK developers - i.e. it's not a support or a discussion forum, or a good place to file random issues in hope that someone else working on some OpenJDK Project drops whatever they are doing and takes care of them. That seems to be a common set of misconceptions about bug trackers in other open source projects, where users often extremely outnumber developers, leading to an imbalance of expectations, civility and humbleness. cheers, dalibor topic -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From stevensro at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 14:31:14 2016 From: stevensro at gmail.com (Robin Stevens) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:31:14 +0200 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1b677b77-988c-bc8f-dd49-74eb3d032170@oracle.com> <577FAD6C.8090600@oracle.com> Message-ID: Rest assured, I wasn't planning on logging random issues hoping that somebody else would pick them up. I asked it for the scenario where I find a bug that I am planning to fix. In that case, I need an issue number to properly schedule the code review. So it is extremely useful that I am allowed to just log the issue, assign it to myself and start working on it. Robin On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, dalibor topic wrote: > > > On 08.07.2016 15:41, Se?n Coffey wrote: > >> >> On 08/07/16 14:32, dalibor topic wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 08.07.2016 14:12, Robin Stevens wrote: >>> >>>> If >>>> I stumble upon a new issue, can I log it directly in JIRA instead of >>>> having >>>> to go through http://bugs.java.com/ ? >>>> >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>> If so, is there a specific template I >>>> have to follow (like most of the existing bugs seem to be doing). >>>> >>> >>> See https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/general/JBS+Overview for >>> details on using JBS. >>> >> >> The bug logging guidelines from the bugs.java.com portal are also a >> useful resource : >> >> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/troubleshoot/bugreports.html >> > > Yep. > > Also worth noting as a general point, rather than specifically to Robin's > question, is that JBS is mostly 'self-service' for OpenJDK developers - > i.e. it's not a support or a discussion forum, or a good place to file > random issues in hope that someone else working on some OpenJDK Project > drops whatever they are doing and takes care of them. > > That seems to be a common set of misconceptions about bug trackers in > other open source projects, where users often extremely outnumber > developers, leading to an imbalance of expectations, civility and > humbleness. > > > cheers, > dalibor topic > -- > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 > > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen > Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 > > Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment > From roger.riggs at oracle.com Fri Jul 8 14:41:10 2016 From: roger.riggs at oracle.com (Roger Riggs) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 10:41:10 -0400 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1b677b77-988c-bc8f-dd49-74eb3d032170@oracle.com> <577FAD6C.8090600@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi Robin, Don't underestimate the value of the collective knowledge on the right email list. If you don't find an existing issue you are pursuing, create a new issue with enough of a description to explain the issue. A brief query to the appropriate email list may elicit support or additional context that will be useful to fix it before you invest much of your time. A reproducer is very valuable and recommended for someone else to fix an issue. And whoever fixes it, generally provides the regression test. Thanks, Roger On 7/8/16 10:31 AM, Robin Stevens wrote: > Rest assured, I wasn't planning on logging random issues hoping that > somebody else would pick them up. > I asked it for the scenario where I find a bug that I am planning to fix. > In that case, I need an issue number to properly schedule the code review. > So it is extremely useful that I am allowed to just log the issue, assign > it to myself and start working on it. > > Robin > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, dalibor topic > wrote: > > From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Fri Jul 8 14:52:41 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:52:41 +0200 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1b677b77-988c-bc8f-dd49-74eb3d032170@oracle.com> <577FAD6C.8090600@oracle.com> Message-ID: <7613d941-0a23-8615-66bd-1dcfc21b575d@oracle.com> Yeah, that's how using JBS typically works. Like Roger said, often the best course of action before starting to work on an issue after filing it, is to discuss an intended change first on the most appropriate mailing list, as described in step 2 of the contribution guide. [0] Of course, you likely know all that already, given that you've become an Author in a short amount of time, but it's convenient to have it written down into list archives every now and then. ;) cheers, dalibor topic [0] http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/ On 08.07.2016 16:31, Robin Stevens wrote: > Rest assured, I wasn't planning on logging random issues hoping that > somebody else would pick them up. > I asked it for the scenario where I find a bug that I am planning to > fix. In that case, I need an issue number to properly schedule the code > review. So it is extremely useful that I am allowed to just log the > issue, assign it to myself and start working on it. > > Robin > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, dalibor topic > wrote: > > > > On 08.07.2016 15:41, Se?n Coffey wrote: > > > On 08/07/16 14:32, dalibor topic wrote: > > > > On 08.07.2016 14:12, Robin Stevens wrote: > > If > I stumble upon a new issue, can I log it directly in > JIRA instead of > having > to go through http://bugs.java.com/ ? > > > Yes. > > If so, is there a specific template I > have to follow (like most of the existing bugs seem to > be doing). > > > See > https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/general/JBS+Overview for > details on using JBS. > > > The bug logging guidelines from the bugs.java.com > portal are also a > useful resource : > https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/troubleshoot/bugreports.html > > > Yep. > > Also worth noting as a general point, rather than specifically to > Robin's question, is that JBS is mostly 'self-service' for OpenJDK > developers - i.e. it's not a support or a discussion forum, or a > good place to file random issues in hope that someone else working > on some OpenJDK Project drops whatever they are doing and takes care > of them. > > That seems to be a common set of misconceptions about bug trackers > in other open source projects, where users often extremely outnumber > developers, leading to an imbalance of expectations, civility and > humbleness. > > > cheers, > dalibor topic > -- > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 > | Mobile: +491737185961 > > > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen > Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 > > Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment > > -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From stevensro at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 15:15:40 2016 From: stevensro at gmail.com (Robin Stevens) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:15:40 +0200 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <7613d941-0a23-8615-66bd-1dcfc21b575d@oracle.com> References: <1b677b77-988c-bc8f-dd49-74eb3d032170@oracle.com> <577FAD6C.8090600@oracle.com> <7613d941-0a23-8615-66bd-1dcfc21b575d@oracle.com> Message-ID: > Of course, you likely know all that already, given that you've become an Author in a short amount of time, but it's convenient to have it written down into list archives every now and then. ;) I remember reading it, but I never applied it. I became an Author with very small contributions. Discussing those would have consumed more time than actually fixing the issue. So it is good to have it repeated in case I have to tackle something bigger. Robin On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM, dalibor topic wrote: > Yeah, that's how using JBS typically works. > > Like Roger said, often the best course of action before starting to work > on an issue after filing it, is to discuss an intended change first on the > most appropriate mailing list, as described in step 2 of the contribution > guide. [0] > > Of course, you likely know all that already, given that you've become an > Author in a short amount of time, but it's convenient to have it written > down into list archives every now and then. ;) > > cheers, > dalibor topic > > [0] http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/ > > On 08.07.2016 16:31, Robin Stevens wrote: > >> Rest assured, I wasn't planning on logging random issues hoping that >> somebody else would pick them up. >> I asked it for the scenario where I find a bug that I am planning to >> fix. In that case, I need an issue number to properly schedule the code >> review. So it is extremely useful that I am allowed to just log the >> issue, assign it to myself and start working on it. >> >> Robin >> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, dalibor topic > > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 08.07.2016 15:41, Se?n Coffey wrote: >> >> >> On 08/07/16 14:32, dalibor topic wrote: >> >> >> >> On 08.07.2016 14:12, Robin Stevens wrote: >> >> If >> I stumble upon a new issue, can I log it directly in >> JIRA instead of >> having >> to go through http://bugs.java.com/ ? >> >> >> Yes. >> >> If so, is there a specific template I >> have to follow (like most of the existing bugs seem to >> be doing). >> >> >> See >> https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/general/JBS+Overview >> for >> details on using JBS. >> >> >> The bug logging guidelines from the bugs.java.com >> portal are also a >> useful resource : >> >> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/troubleshoot/bugreports.html >> >> >> Yep. >> >> Also worth noting as a general point, rather than specifically to >> Robin's question, is that JBS is mostly 'self-service' for OpenJDK >> developers - i.e. it's not a support or a discussion forum, or a >> good place to file random issues in hope that someone else working >> on some OpenJDK Project drops whatever they are doing and takes care >> of them. >> >> That seems to be a common set of misconceptions about bug trackers >> in other open source projects, where users often extremely outnumber >> developers, leading to an imbalance of expectations, civility and >> humbleness. >> >> >> cheers, >> dalibor topic >> -- >> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >> Phone: +494089091214 > > | Mobile: +491737185961 >> > >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen >> Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 >> >> Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >> Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >> >> Oracle is committed to developing >> practices and products that help protect the environment >> >> >> > -- > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 > > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen > Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 > > Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment >