From hufeng1987 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 00:22:54 2016 From: hufeng1987 at gmail.com (Netroby) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 08:22:54 +0800 Subject: would you please publish OracleJDK docker image on hub.docker.com Message-ID: Dear Oracle JDK Team: would you please publish OracleJDK docker image on hub.docker.com https://github.com/oracle/docker-images/issues/75 Now days the docker and clouding growth very fast. we deploy more containers for Java stack. like ElasticSearch , Hadoop, Spark, and other tools and programs. But there no official Oracle JDK docker images . Would you please release your Oracle JDK docker image for public users? please put them on hub.docker.com That we can easily to get Oracle JDK up and running Appreciate your time. ---------------------------- Netroby From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Wed Mar 2 00:36:17 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (dalibor topic) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 01:36:17 +0100 Subject: would you please publish OracleJDK docker image on hub.docker.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56D63581.8070604@oracle.com> On 02.03.2016 01:22, Netroby wrote: > Dear Oracle JDK Team: Hi, This mailing list is for OpenJDK development specifically. Inquiries about Oracle products should go to the community.oracle.com forums. cheers, dalibor topic -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment From hufeng1987 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 01:21:08 2016 From: hufeng1987 at gmail.com (Netroby) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 09:21:08 +0800 Subject: would you please publish OracleJDK docker image on hub.docker.com In-Reply-To: <56D63581.8070604@oracle.com> References: <56D63581.8070604@oracle.com> Message-ID: I felt not so good. the Community of oracle.com less activity. not found so much discussions on it . I post one discussion on one of the space. but may not be noticed by any your oracle team members. Appreciate your time. ---------------------------- Netroby 2016-03-02 8:36 GMT+08:00 dalibor topic : > On 02.03.2016 01:22, Netroby wrote: >> >> Dear Oracle JDK Team: > > > Hi, > > This mailing list is for OpenJDK development specifically. Inquiries about > Oracle products should go to the community.oracle.com forums. > > cheers, > dalibor topic > -- > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 > > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen > Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 > > Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment From ivan at azulsystems.com Thu Mar 3 13:05:46 2016 From: ivan at azulsystems.com (Ivan Krylov) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 05:05:46 -0800 Subject: would you please publish OracleJDK docker image on hub.docker.com In-Reply-To: References: <56D63581.8070604@oracle.com> Message-ID: <56D836AA.3000706@azulsystems.com> Since this is an openjdk mail list - there are packaged OpenJDK-derived builds provided as docker images. It is not the same as what you asked for - but it is what it is. Thanks, Ivan On 01/03/2016 17:21, Netroby wrote: > I felt not so good. the Community of oracle.com less activity. not > found so much discussions on it . > I post one discussion on one of the space. but may not be noticed by > any your oracle team members. > > Appreciate your time. > ---------------------------- > Netroby > > > 2016-03-02 8:36 GMT+08:00 dalibor topic : >> On 02.03.2016 01:22, Netroby wrote: >>> Dear Oracle JDK Team: >> >> Hi, >> >> This mailing list is for OpenJDK development specifically. Inquiries about >> Oracle products should go to the community.oracle.com forums. >> >> cheers, >> dalibor topic >> -- >> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >> Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 >> >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen >> Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 >> >> Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >> Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >> >> Oracle is committed to developing >> practices and products that help protect the environment From volker.simonis at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 08:27:18 2016 From: volker.simonis at gmail.com (Volker Simonis) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:27:18 +0100 Subject: Gmail can not verify mails from oracle.com anymore. Message-ID: Hi, I've subscribed to most Openjdk mailing lists from my Google mail account (gmail.com). Today I noticed that all mails in my inbox which were sent from the oracle.com domain are flagged with "Gmail couldn't verify that oracle.com actually sent this message (and not a spammer)". Clicking on the message redirects me to the following goolge site about email authentication: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/180707?hl=en I also get this warning for older messages in my inbox for which I definitely didn't got it at the time when I received and read the corresponding messages for the first time. Has anybody else noticed this behavior? Does anybody know if this is caused by problems on Google's or on Oracle's site. I'm concerned that I will miss mails because they can be classified as spam and moved into the spam folder by default. Regards, Volker From neugens at redhat.com Wed Mar 9 09:56:57 2016 From: neugens at redhat.com (Mario Torre) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:56:57 +0100 Subject: Gmail can not verify mails from oracle.com anymore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Volker Simonis wrote: > Hi, > > I've subscribed to most Openjdk mailing lists from my Google mail > account (gmail.com). > > Today I noticed that all mails in my inbox which were sent from the > oracle.com domain are flagged with "Gmail couldn't verify that > oracle.com actually sent this message (and not a spammer)". Clicking > on the message redirects me to the following goolge site about email > authentication: > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/180707?hl=en > > I also get this warning for older messages in my inbox for which I > definitely didn't got it at the time when I received and read the > corresponding messages for the first time. > > Has anybody else noticed this behavior? Does anybody know if this is > caused by problems on Google's or on Oracle's site. I noticed that too, and from time to time see a lot of emails in the spam folder, especially the AWT and Hotspot-dev mailing list, who knows why :) Also your email had a very big red flag: "Be careful with this message. It contains content that's typically used to steal personal information." Cheers, Mario From fcassia at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 10:22:06 2016 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 07:22:06 -0300 Subject: Gmail can not verify mails from oracle.com anymore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/9/16, Mario Torre wrote: > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Volker Simonis > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've subscribed to most Openjdk mailing lists from my Google mail >> account (gmail.com). >> >> Today I noticed that all mails in my inbox which were sent from the >> oracle.com domain are flagged with "Gmail couldn't verify that >> oracle.com actually sent this message (and not a spammer)" Volker, It is impossible to help you with more data: do you send emails from GMail using the web interface or do you have it configured to use an e-mail application (Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird, etc) over pop3 or imap protocols? GMail provides ways to configure third party accounts into your GMail,so you can send e-mail from OTHER (non-GMail) accounts (as sender) using your GMail web interface (and also smtp/imap). But for this to work every new sender account you add to your GMail must be validated (Google sends you a link that you need to click on). See here https://gmail.googleblog.com/2009/07/send-mail-from-another-address-without.html So, when you say "mail sent from Oracle" do you mean e-mail sent from third party @oracle.com accounts TO your inbox? or e-mails YOU sent from @oracle.com using your gmail account (as per the above referenced feature) ? In any case, I have no probems receiving e-mails from @oracle.com addresses on my GMail account (I usually get them from virtualbox devs as I admin the community mailing list). I also think perhaps this is not exactly the most accurate list to discuss this problem you're having. I mean, this relates to OpenJDK exactly how? Don't get me wrong. Good luck with solving your problem... but I don't know what else to suggest.. FC From volker.simonis at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 11:08:55 2016 From: volker.simonis at gmail.com (Volker Simonis) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:08:55 +0100 Subject: Gmail can not verify mails from oracle.com anymore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Fernando, thanks for you detailed answer. Probably my initial mail should have been a little more specific. So here are the full details: - I'm reading and writing mails from my gmail account with the gmail web client (no e-mail applications, no third-party accounts). - The problems I describe (and which are new, at least for me) are with mails I receive from OpenJDK mailing list to which I'm subscribed. - If somebody from Oracle sends a mail directly to my gmail account, everything seems fine. Following you can see the mail header of such a mail: Delivered-To: volker.simonis at gmail.com Received: by 10.112.201.105 with SMTP id jz9csp2496735lbc; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.233.194 with SMTP id ty2mr47611274pac.126.1457516375212; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com. [156.151.31.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rz3si11373065pac.2.2016.03.09.01.39.34 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) *Received-SPF: pass (google.com : domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) client-ip=156.151.31.81;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com ; spf=pass (google.com : domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com *Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u299dVNF020477 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:31 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u299dU4c013059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:31 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u299dUhm021174; Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:30 GMT Received: from dhcp-ukc1-twvpn-1-vpnpool-10-175-170-87.vpn.oracle.com (/ 10.175.170.87) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:30 -0800 From: Firstname Lastname I thing the two important line here are: Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) client-ip=156.151.31.81; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom= Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com - If I receive a mail from the same person trough the mailing list only, the header looks as follows (and I get the mentioned warning): Delivered-To: volker.simonis at gmail.com Received: by 10.112.201.105 with SMTP id jz9csp1171678lbc; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.202.102.200 with SMTP id m69mr2723348oik.74.1456930791527; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ucsinet41.oracle.com (ucsinet41.oracle.com. [156.151.31.69]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v4si4909551oer.61.2016.03.02.06.59.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) *Received-SPF: neutral (google.com : 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net ) client-ip=156.151.31.69;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com ; spf=neutral (google.com : 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net ) smtp.mailfrom=jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net * Received: from aojmv0009 (unknown [137.254.59.6]) by ucsinet41.oracle.com with smtp id 46c1_1a8e_897bc1c1_404b_4bad_80e6_6181bbc3fd56; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:59:44 +0000 Received: from aojmv0009.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aojmv0009 (Postfix) with ESMTP id A399516FC09; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-To: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net Delivered-To: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net Received: from ucsinet40.oracle.com (ucsinet40.oracle.com [156.151.31.68]) by aojmv0009 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7D016FBF5 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (unknown [156.151.31.81]) by ucsinet40.oracle.com with smtp (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) id 3c57_9292_5ef7d675_aa54_43c9_88d5_42790628157b; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:59:36 +0000 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u22Exa1Z015731 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:37 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u22ExaM8028136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:36 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u22ExaRW017456 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:36 GMT Received: from dhcp-ukc1-twvpn-2-vpnpool-10-175-198-188.vpn.oracle.com (/10.175.198.188) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:35 -0800 From: Firstname Lastname The authentication lines are different: Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net) client-ip=156.151.31.69; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net) smtp.mailfrom= jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net As the warnings only appear since today, I wonder if either Google is checking more thoroughly or if the mai/server configuration at openjdk.java.net was changed? Regards, Volker On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On 3/9/16, Mario Torre wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Volker Simonis > > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I've subscribed to most Openjdk mailing lists from my Google mail > >> account (gmail.com). > >> > >> Today I noticed that all mails in my inbox which were sent from the > >> oracle.com domain are flagged with "Gmail couldn't verify that > >> oracle.com actually sent this message (and not a spammer)" > > Volker, > > It is impossible to help you with more data: do you send emails from > GMail using the web interface or do you have it configured to use an > e-mail application (Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird, etc) over pop3 > or imap protocols? > > GMail provides ways to configure third party accounts into your > GMail,so you can send e-mail from OTHER (non-GMail) accounts (as > sender) using your GMail web interface (and also smtp/imap). But for > this to work every new sender account you add to your GMail must be > validated (Google sends you a link that you need to click on). > > See here > > https://gmail.googleblog.com/2009/07/send-mail-from-another-address-without.html > > So, when you say "mail sent from Oracle" do you mean e-mail sent from > third party @oracle.com accounts TO your inbox? or e-mails YOU sent > from @oracle.com using your gmail account (as per the above referenced > feature) ? > > In any case, I have no probems receiving e-mails from @oracle.com > addresses on my GMail account (I usually get them from virtualbox devs > as I admin the community mailing list). > > I also think perhaps this is not exactly the most accurate list to > discuss this problem you're having. I mean, this relates to OpenJDK > exactly how? Don't get me wrong. Good luck with solving your > problem... but I don't know what else to suggest.. > FC > From fcassia at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 12:00:01 2016 From: fcassia at gmail.com (Fernando Cassia) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:00:01 -0300 Subject: Gmail can not verify mails from oracle.com anymore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On 3/9/16, Volker Simonis wrote: > I thing the two important line here are: >> >> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com >> designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) client-ip=156.151.31.81; >> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; >> spf=pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com >> designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom= >> Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com (snip) >> - If I receive a mail from the same person trough the mailing list only, >> the header looks as follows (and I get the mentioned warning): (snip) >> *Received-SPF: neutral (google.com : 156.151.31.69 is >> neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of >> jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net >> ) >> client-ip=156.151.31.69;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com >> ; spf=neutral (google.com >> : >> 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for >> domain of jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net Thanks for your detailed reply. I now get a bigger picture of what is going on, and it seems to me that it has nothing to do with GMail-as-a-client or @oracle as sender. What seems to be happening is that GMail's MX is not trusting 100% email originating on the openjdk list... And that DOES seem to be on-topic for this list and a cause for concern for whoever admins the openJDK list and java.net infrastructure (wasn't that Kenai? wasn't that supposed to be shut down by now?). Since I know nothing ab SPF spam countermeasures, I think someone from Java.net infrastructure would be the one who should comment... So, thanks for reporting this.. and the clarifying follow-up.... FC > From dalibor.topic at oracle.com Wed Mar 9 12:17:48 2016 From: dalibor.topic at oracle.com (Dalibor Topic) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 13:17:48 +0100 Subject: Gmail can not verify mails from oracle.com anymore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As we don't rely on java.net for mailing list infrastructure, I would suggest inquiring with ops at openjdk directly. From the description you provided it sounds as if it's an issue with a third party provided service. In that case, effective options to address issues in such third party services may be in limited supply. Cheers, D. -- Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment > On 09.03.2016, at 12:08, Volker Simonis wrote: > > Hi Fernando, > > thanks for you detailed answer. Probably my initial mail should have been a > little more specific. So here are the full details: > > - I'm reading and writing mails from my gmail account with the gmail web > client (no e-mail applications, no third-party accounts). > > - The problems I describe (and which are new, at least for me) are with > mails I receive from OpenJDK mailing list to which I'm subscribed. > > - If somebody from Oracle sends a mail directly to my gmail account, > everything seems fine. Following you can see the mail header of such a mail: > > Delivered-To: volker.simonis at gmail.com > Received: by 10.112.201.105 with SMTP id jz9csp2496735lbc; > Wed, 9 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) > X-Received: by 10.66.233.194 with SMTP id > ty2mr47611274pac.126.1457516375212; > Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) > Return-Path: > Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com. [156.151.31.81]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id > rz3si11373065pac.2.2016.03.09.01.39.34 > for > (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); > Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) > > > > *Received-SPF: pass (google.com : domain of > Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com designates > 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) > client-ip=156.151.31.81;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com > ; spf=pass (google.com : > domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) > smtp.mailfrom=Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > *Received: > from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) > by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with > ESMTP id u299dVNF020477 > (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); > Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:31 GMT > Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) > by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u299dU4c013059 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); > Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:31 GMT > Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) > by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u299dUhm021174; > Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:30 GMT > Received: from dhcp-ukc1-twvpn-1-vpnpool-10-175-170-87.vpn.oracle.com (/ > 10.175.170.87) > by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) > with ESMTP ; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:30 -0800 > From: Firstname Lastname > > I thing the two important line here are: > > Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) client-ip=156.151.31.81; > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; > spf=pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom= > Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > > > - If I receive a mail from the same person trough the mailing list only, > the header looks as follows (and I get the mentioned warning): > > Delivered-To: volker.simonis at gmail.com > Received: by 10.112.201.105 with SMTP id jz9csp1171678lbc; > Wed, 2 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) > X-Received: by 10.202.102.200 with SMTP id m69mr2723348oik.74.1456930791527; > Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) > Return-Path: > Received: from ucsinet41.oracle.com (ucsinet41.oracle.com. [156.151.31.69]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id > v4si4909551oer.61.2016.03.02.06.59.46 > (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); > Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) > > > *Received-SPF: neutral (google.com : 156.151.31.69 is > neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of > jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net ) > client-ip=156.151.31.69;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com > ; spf=neutral (google.com : > 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for > domain of jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net > ) > smtp.mailfrom=jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net > * > Received: from aojmv0009 (unknown [137.254.59.6]) by ucsinet41.oracle.com > with smtp > id 46c1_1a8e_897bc1c1_404b_4bad_80e6_6181bbc3fd56; > Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:59:44 +0000 > Received: from aojmv0009.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by aojmv0009 (Postfix) with ESMTP id A399516FC09; > Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:39 +0000 (UTC) > X-Original-To: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net > Delivered-To: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net > Received: from ucsinet40.oracle.com (ucsinet40.oracle.com [156.151.31.68]) > by aojmv0009 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7D016FBF5 > for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:38 +0000 (UTC) > Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (unknown [156.151.31.81]) by > ucsinet40.oracle.com with smtp > (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) > id 3c57_9292_5ef7d675_aa54_43c9_88d5_42790628157b; > Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:59:36 +0000 > Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) > by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with > ESMTP id u22Exa1Z015731 > (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) > for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:37 GMT > Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) > by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u22ExaM8028136 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) > for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:36 GMT > Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) > by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u22ExaRW017456 > for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:36 GMT > Received: from dhcp-ukc1-twvpn-2-vpnpool-10-175-198-188.vpn.oracle.com > (/10.175.198.188) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) > with ESMTP ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:35 -0800 > From: Firstname Lastname > > The authentication lines are different: > > Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor > denied by best guess record for domain of > jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net) client-ip=156.151.31.69; > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; > spf=neutral (google.com: 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor > denied by best guess record for domain of > jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net) smtp.mailfrom= > jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net > > As the warnings only appear since today, I wonder if either Google is > checking more thoroughly or if the mai/server configuration at > openjdk.java.net was changed? > > Regards, > Volker > > >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> >>> On 3/9/16, Mario Torre wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Volker Simonis >> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I've subscribed to most Openjdk mailing lists from my Google mail >>>> account (gmail.com). >>>> >>>> Today I noticed that all mails in my inbox which were sent from the >>>> oracle.com domain are flagged with "Gmail couldn't verify that >>>> oracle.com actually sent this message (and not a spammer)" >> >> Volker, >> >> It is impossible to help you with more data: do you send emails from >> GMail using the web interface or do you have it configured to use an >> e-mail application (Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird, etc) over pop3 >> or imap protocols? >> >> GMail provides ways to configure third party accounts into your >> GMail,so you can send e-mail from OTHER (non-GMail) accounts (as >> sender) using your GMail web interface (and also smtp/imap). But for >> this to work every new sender account you add to your GMail must be >> validated (Google sends you a link that you need to click on). >> >> See here >> >> https://gmail.googleblog.com/2009/07/send-mail-from-another-address-without.html >> >> So, when you say "mail sent from Oracle" do you mean e-mail sent from >> third party @oracle.com accounts TO your inbox? or e-mails YOU sent >> from @oracle.com using your gmail account (as per the above referenced >> feature) ? >> >> In any case, I have no probems receiving e-mails from @oracle.com >> addresses on my GMail account (I usually get them from virtualbox devs >> as I admin the community mailing list). >> >> I also think perhaps this is not exactly the most accurate list to >> discuss this problem you're having. I mean, this relates to OpenJDK >> exactly how? Don't get me wrong. Good luck with solving your >> problem... but I don't know what else to suggest.. >> FC >> From volker.simonis at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 13:23:18 2016 From: volker.simonis at gmail.com (Volker Simonis) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 14:23:18 +0100 Subject: Gmail can not verify mails from oracle.com anymore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dalibor, thanks for the hint. I've resent my request to ops at openjdk now. Regards, Volker On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Dalibor Topic wrote: > As we don't rely on java.net for mailing list infrastructure, I would > suggest inquiring with ops at openjdk directly. > > From the description you provided it sounds as if it's an issue with a third > party provided service. In that case, effective options to address issues in > such third party services may be in limited supply. > > Cheers, > D. > > -- > Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 > > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen > Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 > > Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment > > On 09.03.2016, at 12:08, Volker Simonis wrote: > > Hi Fernando, > > thanks for you detailed answer. Probably my initial mail should have been a > little more specific. So here are the full details: > > - I'm reading and writing mails from my gmail account with the gmail web > client (no e-mail applications, no third-party accounts). > > - The problems I describe (and which are new, at least for me) are with > mails I receive from OpenJDK mailing list to which I'm subscribed. > > - If somebody from Oracle sends a mail directly to my gmail account, > everything seems fine. Following you can see the mail header of such a mail: > > Delivered-To: volker.simonis at gmail.com > Received: by 10.112.201.105 with SMTP id jz9csp2496735lbc; > Wed, 9 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) > X-Received: by 10.66.233.194 with SMTP id > ty2mr47611274pac.126.1457516375212; > Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) > Return-Path: > Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com. [156.151.31.81]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id > rz3si11373065pac.2.2016.03.09.01.39.34 > for > (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); > Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) > > > > *Received-SPF: pass (google.com : domain of > Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com designates > 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) > client-ip=156.151.31.81;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com > ; spf=pass (google.com : > domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) > smtp.mailfrom=Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > *Received: > > from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) > by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with > ESMTP id u299dVNF020477 > (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); > Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:31 GMT > Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) > by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u299dU4c013059 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); > Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:31 GMT > Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) > by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u299dUhm021174; > Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:30 GMT > Received: from dhcp-ukc1-twvpn-1-vpnpool-10-175-170-87.vpn.oracle.com (/ > 10.175.170.87) > by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) > with ESMTP ; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:30 -0800 > From: Firstname Lastname > > I thing the two important line here are: > > Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) client-ip=156.151.31.81; > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; > spf=pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom= > Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com > > > - If I receive a mail from the same person trough the mailing list only, > the header looks as follows (and I get the mentioned warning): > > Delivered-To: volker.simonis at gmail.com > Received: by 10.112.201.105 with SMTP id jz9csp1171678lbc; > Wed, 2 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) > X-Received: by 10.202.102.200 with SMTP id m69mr2723348oik.74.1456930791527; > Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) > Return-Path: > Received: from ucsinet41.oracle.com (ucsinet41.oracle.com. [156.151.31.69]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id > v4si4909551oer.61.2016.03.02.06.59.46 > (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); > Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) > > > *Received-SPF: neutral (google.com : 156.151.31.69 is > neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of > jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net ) > client-ip=156.151.31.69;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com > ; spf=neutral (google.com : > 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for > domain of jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net > ) > smtp.mailfrom=jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net > * > Received: from aojmv0009 (unknown [137.254.59.6]) by ucsinet41.oracle.com > with smtp > id 46c1_1a8e_897bc1c1_404b_4bad_80e6_6181bbc3fd56; > Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:59:44 +0000 > Received: from aojmv0009.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by aojmv0009 (Postfix) with ESMTP id A399516FC09; > Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:39 +0000 (UTC) > X-Original-To: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net > Delivered-To: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net > Received: from ucsinet40.oracle.com (ucsinet40.oracle.com [156.151.31.68]) > by aojmv0009 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7D016FBF5 > for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:38 +0000 (UTC) > Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (unknown [156.151.31.81]) by > ucsinet40.oracle.com with smtp > (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) > id 3c57_9292_5ef7d675_aa54_43c9_88d5_42790628157b; > Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:59:36 +0000 > Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) > by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with > ESMTP id u22Exa1Z015731 > (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) > for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:37 GMT > Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) > by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u22ExaM8028136 > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) > for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:36 GMT > Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) > by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u22ExaRW017456 > for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:36 GMT > Received: from dhcp-ukc1-twvpn-2-vpnpool-10-175-198-188.vpn.oracle.com > (/10.175.198.188) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) > with ESMTP ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:35 -0800 > From: Firstname Lastname > > The authentication lines are different: > > Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor > denied by best guess record for domain of > jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net) client-ip=156.151.31.69; > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; > spf=neutral (google.com: 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor > denied by best guess record for domain of > jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net) smtp.mailfrom= > jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net > > As the warnings only appear since today, I wonder if either Google is > checking more thoroughly or if the mai/server configuration at > openjdk.java.net was changed? > > Regards, > Volker > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > On 3/9/16, Mario Torre wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Volker Simonis > > wrote: > > Hi, > > > I've subscribed to most Openjdk mailing lists from my Google mail > > account (gmail.com). > > > Today I noticed that all mails in my inbox which were sent from the > > oracle.com domain are flagged with "Gmail couldn't verify that > > oracle.com actually sent this message (and not a spammer)" > > > Volker, > > > It is impossible to help you with more data: do you send emails from > > GMail using the web interface or do you have it configured to use an > > e-mail application (Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird, etc) over pop3 > > or imap protocols? > > > GMail provides ways to configure third party accounts into your > > GMail,so you can send e-mail from OTHER (non-GMail) accounts (as > > sender) using your GMail web interface (and also smtp/imap). But for > > this to work every new sender account you add to your GMail must be > > validated (Google sends you a link that you need to click on). > > > See here > > > https://gmail.googleblog.com/2009/07/send-mail-from-another-address-without.html > > > So, when you say "mail sent from Oracle" do you mean e-mail sent from > > third party @oracle.com accounts TO your inbox? or e-mails YOU sent > > from @oracle.com using your gmail account (as per the above referenced > > feature) ? > > > In any case, I have no probems receiving e-mails from @oracle.com > > addresses on my GMail account (I usually get them from virtualbox devs > > as I admin the community mailing list). > > > I also think perhaps this is not exactly the most accurate list to > > discuss this problem you're having. I mean, this relates to OpenJDK > > exactly how? Don't get me wrong. Good luck with solving your > > problem... but I don't know what else to suggest.. > > FC > > From behrangsa at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 02:17:10 2016 From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 13:17:10 +1100 Subject: What is the view point of the JDK team about string interpolation In-Reply-To: References: <54945518.9060909@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi Neal, We already have two expression languages (JSP's and JSF's) that finally got integrated into the Unified EL. Even though they are used outside Java classes, I am not sure what would be the benefit of yet another way for String interpolation in the Java sphere. A subset of the Unified EL might be a better option (e.g. leading to more consistency across the whole platform). To quote Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut (probably a misattribution): *In theory there is no difference between theory and practice; in practice there is.* In practice, AFAIK, using the following syntaxes: - "foo #{...} bar" - "foo ${...} bar" - "foo \(...) bar" Have not caused any real-world problems in languages like Ruby, JavaScript/Groovy, and Swift. Also IMHO aesthetically they are more beautiful. So, I personally prefer any of them to $"..." which reminds me of Objective-C's @"..." that I never liked. Anyhow, just my 2 cents. *P.S:* IMHO, it would be nice if the Java language and its related projects had uservoice accounts similar to Visual Studio: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-2015/category/30931-languages-c Best regards, Behrang Saeedzadeh On 11 March 2016 at 12:31, Neal Gafter wrote: > We like string interpolation in C# > . I think it > would be a nice addition to Java, presuming its benefit/cost compares > favorably to other things under consideration. Java tends to be more > conservative about adding complexity to the language than C#, so it is > natural to find differences like this. > > We looked at two syntax options: first *"Fixed stuff \{expression} etc"* > where you put an expression inside a string between curly braces prefixed > by a backslash. That has the advantage that you can just start typing it > into the middle of an existing string. It has the disadvantage that it > silently turns a *constant* expression into a *non-constant* expression, > and it is a little more work than the other option because of the backslash. > > Our second option was *$"Fixed stuff {expression} etc"*, and that is what > we ended up going with. > > Either way it would be defined by translation into a call to > *String.format*. You would probably want to add syntax to support format > specifiers, and a way of deferring the formatting so that, for example, it > can be localized. > > The nice thing about this is that common problems that would cause > *IllegalFormatException* with *String.format* ether cannot occur or > become compile-time errors. > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Brian Goetz > wrote: > >> Have you met String.format()? >> >> No direct language support is being considered for the forseeable future. >> >> >> >> On 12/15/2014 9:44 PM, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Does the JDK team have any view points about adding string interpolation >>> to >>> the Java language? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Behrang >>> http://www.behrang.org >>> >>> > From arjan.tijms at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 10:16:00 2016 From: arjan.tijms at gmail.com (arjan tijms) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:16:00 +0100 Subject: What is the view point of the JDK team about string interpolation In-Reply-To: References: <54945518.9060909@oracle.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 3:17 AM, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote: > We already have two expression languages (JSP's and JSF's) that finally got > integrated into the Unified EL. We're even a step beyond unified EL, and have EL 3 as a completely standalone spec now, directly useable in Java SE with minimal setup ;) See: https://web.archive.org/web/20150923201252/https://weblogs.java.net/blog/swchan2/archive/2013/07/01/standard-deviation-illustration-expression-language-30-servlet-environment Kind regards, Arjan Tijms > Even though they are used outside Java > classes, I am not sure what would be the benefit of yet another way for > String interpolation in the Java sphere. A subset of the Unified EL might > be a better option (e.g. leading to more consistency across the whole > platform). > > To quote Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut (probably a misattribution): > > *In theory there is no difference between theory and practice; in practice > there is.* > > > In practice, AFAIK, using the following syntaxes: > > - "foo #{...} bar" > - "foo ${...} bar" > - "foo \(...) bar" > > Have not caused any real-world problems in languages like Ruby, > JavaScript/Groovy, and Swift. Also IMHO aesthetically they are more > beautiful. So, I personally prefer any of them to $"..." which reminds me > of Objective-C's @"..." that I never liked. > > Anyhow, just my 2 cents. > > *P.S:* IMHO, it would be nice if the Java language and its related projects > had uservoice accounts similar to Visual Studio: > > https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-2015/category/30931-languages-c > > Best regards, > Behrang Saeedzadeh > > > > > > > On 11 March 2016 at 12:31, Neal Gafter wrote: > > > We like string interpolation in C# > > . I think it > > would be a nice addition to Java, presuming its benefit/cost compares > > favorably to other things under consideration. Java tends to be more > > conservative about adding complexity to the language than C#, so it is > > natural to find differences like this. > > > > We looked at two syntax options: first *"Fixed stuff \{expression} etc"* > > where you put an expression inside a string between curly braces prefixed > > by a backslash. That has the advantage that you can just start typing it > > into the middle of an existing string. It has the disadvantage that it > > silently turns a *constant* expression into a *non-constant* expression, > > and it is a little more work than the other option because of the > backslash. > > > > Our second option was *$"Fixed stuff {expression} etc"*, and that is what > > we ended up going with. > > > > Either way it would be defined by translation into a call to > > *String.format*. You would probably want to add syntax to support format > > specifiers, and a way of deferring the formatting so that, for example, > it > > can be localized. > > > > The nice thing about this is that common problems that would cause > > *IllegalFormatException* with *String.format* ether cannot occur or > > become compile-time errors. > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Brian Goetz > > wrote: > > > >> Have you met String.format()? > >> > >> No direct language support is being considered for the forseeable > future. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 12/15/2014 9:44 PM, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Does the JDK team have any view points about adding string > interpolation > >>> to > >>> the Java language? > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Behrang > >>> http://www.behrang.org > >>> > >>> > > > From bernard.traversat at oracle.com Tue Mar 22 20:38:24 2016 From: bernard.traversat at oracle.com (Bernard Traversat) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:38:24 -0700 Subject: Gmail can not verify mails from oracle.com anymore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DB004AB-03BE-48CD-A6CC-E2966C521DEC@oracle.com> For folks concerned with missing emails, archives are available at: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/ Cheers, B. > On Mar 9, 2016, at 5:23 AM, Volker Simonis wrote: > > Hi Dalibor, > > thanks for the hint. I've resent my request to ops at openjdk now. > > Regards, > Volker > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Dalibor Topic wrote: >> As we don't rely on java.net for mailing list infrastructure, I would >> suggest inquiring with ops at openjdk directly. >> >> From the description you provided it sounds as if it's an issue with a third >> party provided service. In that case, effective options to address issues in >> such third party services may be in limited supply. >> >> Cheers, >> D. >> >> -- >> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >> Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961 >> >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | K?hneh?fe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 M?nchen >> Registergericht: Amtsgericht M?nchen, HRA 95603 >> >> Komplement?rin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >> Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >> >> Oracle is committed to developing >> practices and products that help protect the environment >> >> On 09.03.2016, at 12:08, Volker Simonis wrote: >> >> Hi Fernando, >> >> thanks for you detailed answer. Probably my initial mail should have been a >> little more specific. So here are the full details: >> >> - I'm reading and writing mails from my gmail account with the gmail web >> client (no e-mail applications, no third-party accounts). >> >> - The problems I describe (and which are new, at least for me) are with >> mails I receive from OpenJDK mailing list to which I'm subscribed. >> >> - If somebody from Oracle sends a mail directly to my gmail account, >> everything seems fine. Following you can see the mail header of such a mail: >> >> Delivered-To: volker.simonis at gmail.com >> Received: by 10.112.201.105 with SMTP id jz9csp2496735lbc; >> Wed, 9 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) >> X-Received: by 10.66.233.194 with SMTP id >> ty2mr47611274pac.126.1457516375212; >> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) >> Return-Path: >> Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com. [156.151.31.81]) >> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id >> rz3si11373065pac.2.2016.03.09.01.39.34 >> for >> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); >> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:35 -0800 (PST) >> >> >> >> *Received-SPF: pass (google.com : domain of >> Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com designates >> 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) >> client-ip=156.151.31.81;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com >> ; spf=pass (google.com : >> domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com >> designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) >> smtp.mailfrom=Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com >> *Received: >> >> from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) >> by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with >> ESMTP id u299dVNF020477 >> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); >> Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:31 GMT >> Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) >> by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u299dU4c013059 >> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); >> Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:31 GMT >> Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) >> by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u299dUhm021174; >> Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:39:30 GMT >> Received: from dhcp-ukc1-twvpn-1-vpnpool-10-175-170-87.vpn.oracle.com (/ >> 10.175.170.87) >> by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) >> with ESMTP ; Wed, 09 Mar 2016 01:39:30 -0800 >> From: Firstname Lastname >> >> I thing the two important line here are: >> >> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com >> designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) client-ip=156.151.31.81; >> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; >> spf=pass (google.com: domain of Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com >> designates 156.151.31.81 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom= >> Firstname.Lastname at oracle.com >> >> >> - If I receive a mail from the same person trough the mailing list only, >> the header looks as follows (and I get the mentioned warning): >> >> Delivered-To: volker.simonis at gmail.com >> Received: by 10.112.201.105 with SMTP id jz9csp1171678lbc; >> Wed, 2 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) >> X-Received: by 10.202.102.200 with SMTP id m69mr2723348oik.74.1456930791527; >> Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) >> Return-Path: >> Received: from ucsinet41.oracle.com (ucsinet41.oracle.com. [156.151.31.69]) >> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id >> v4si4909551oer.61.2016.03.02.06.59.46 >> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); >> Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) >> >> >> *Received-SPF: neutral (google.com : 156.151.31.69 is >> neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of >> jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net ) >> client-ip=156.151.31.69;Authentication-Results: mx.google.com >> ; spf=neutral (google.com : >> 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for >> domain of jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net >> ) >> smtp.mailfrom=jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net >> * >> Received: from aojmv0009 (unknown [137.254.59.6]) by ucsinet41.oracle.com >> with smtp >> id 46c1_1a8e_897bc1c1_404b_4bad_80e6_6181bbc3fd56; >> Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:59:44 +0000 >> Received: from aojmv0009.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) >> by aojmv0009 (Postfix) with ESMTP id A399516FC09; >> Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:39 +0000 (UTC) >> X-Original-To: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net >> Delivered-To: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net >> Received: from ucsinet40.oracle.com (ucsinet40.oracle.com [156.151.31.68]) >> by aojmv0009 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7D016FBF5 >> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:38 +0000 (UTC) >> Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (unknown [156.151.31.81]) by >> ucsinet40.oracle.com with smtp >> (TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) >> id 3c57_9292_5ef7d675_aa54_43c9_88d5_42790628157b; >> Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:59:36 +0000 >> Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) >> by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with >> ESMTP id u22Exa1Z015731 >> (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) >> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:37 GMT >> Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) >> by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u22ExaM8028136 >> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) >> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:36 GMT >> Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) >> by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u22ExaRW017456 >> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:59:36 GMT >> Received: from dhcp-ukc1-twvpn-2-vpnpool-10-175-198-188.vpn.oracle.com >> (/10.175.198.188) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) >> with ESMTP ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:59:35 -0800 >> From: Firstname Lastname >> >> The authentication lines are different: >> >> Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor >> denied by best guess record for domain of >> jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net) client-ip=156.151.31.69; >> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; >> spf=neutral (google.com: 156.151.31.69 is neither permitted nor >> denied by best guess record for domain of >> jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net) smtp.mailfrom= >> jigsaw-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net >> >> As the warnings only appear since today, I wonder if either Google is >> checking more thoroughly or if the mai/server configuration at >> openjdk.java.net was changed? >> >> Regards, >> Volker >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> >> On 3/9/16, Mario Torre wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Volker Simonis > >> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> I've subscribed to most Openjdk mailing lists from my Google mail >> >> account (gmail.com). >> >> >> Today I noticed that all mails in my inbox which were sent from the >> >> oracle.com domain are flagged with "Gmail couldn't verify that >> >> oracle.com actually sent this message (and not a spammer)" >> >> >> Volker, >> >> >> It is impossible to help you with more data: do you send emails from >> >> GMail using the web interface or do you have it configured to use an >> >> e-mail application (Outlook, Windows Mail, Thunderbird, etc) over pop3 >> >> or imap protocols? >> >> >> GMail provides ways to configure third party accounts into your >> >> GMail,so you can send e-mail from OTHER (non-GMail) accounts (as >> >> sender) using your GMail web interface (and also smtp/imap). But for >> >> this to work every new sender account you add to your GMail must be >> >> validated (Google sends you a link that you need to click on). >> >> >> See here >> >> >> https://gmail.googleblog.com/2009/07/send-mail-from-another-address-without.html >> >> >> So, when you say "mail sent from Oracle" do you mean e-mail sent from >> >> third party @oracle.com accounts TO your inbox? or e-mails YOU sent >> >> from @oracle.com using your gmail account (as per the above referenced >> >> feature) ? >> >> >> In any case, I have no probems receiving e-mails from @oracle.com >> >> addresses on my GMail account (I usually get them from virtualbox devs >> >> as I admin the community mailing list). >> >> >> I also think perhaps this is not exactly the most accurate list to >> >> discuss this problem you're having. I mean, this relates to OpenJDK >> >> exactly how? Don't get me wrong. Good luck with solving your >> >> problem... but I don't know what else to suggest.. >> >> FC >> >> From andrea.rosa at usi.ch Fri Mar 25 09:13:32 2016 From: andrea.rosa at usi.ch (Andrea Rosa) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:13:32 +0000 Subject: JTRES 2016 Call for Papers Message-ID: <1D3D4C74-3F90-407F-88A7-616129713D3A@usi.ch> ====================================================================== CALL FOR PAPERS The 14th Workshop on Java Technologies for Real-Time and Embedded Systems JTRES 2016 Part of the Managed Languages & Runtimes Week 2016 29 August - 2 September 2016 Lugano, Switzerland http://jtres2016.compute.dtu.dk/ ====================================================================== Submission deadline: 12 June, 2016 Submission site: https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=jtres2016 ====================================================================== Over 90% of all microprocessors are now used for real-time and embedded applications. Embedded devices are deployed on a broad diversity of distinct processor architectures and operating systems. The application software for many embedded devices is custom tailored if not written entirely from scratch. The size of typical embedded system software applications is growing exponentially from year to year, with many of today's embedded systems comprised of multiple millions of lines of code. For all of these reasons, the software portability, reuse, and modular composability benefits offered by Java are especially valuable to developers of embedded systems. Both embedded and general-purpose software frequently need to comply with real-time constraints. Higher-level programming languages and middleware are needed to robustly and productively design, implement, compose, integrate, validate, and enforce memory and real-time constraints along with conventional functional requirements for reusable software components. The Java programming language has become an attractive choice because of its safety, productivity, its relatively low maintenance costs, and the availability of well-trained developers. ::Goal:: Interest in real-time Java by both the academic research community and commercial industry has been motivated by the need to manage the complexity and costs associated with continually expanding embedded real-time software systems. The goal of the workshop is to gather researchers working on real-time and embedded Java to identify the challenging problems that still need to be solved in order to assure the success of real-time Java as a technology and to report results and experience gained by researchers. The Java ecosystem has outgrown the combination of Java as programming language and the JVM. For example, Android uses Java as source language and the Dalvik virtual machine for execution. Languages such as Scala are compiled to Java bytecode and executed on the JVM. JTRES welcomes submissions that apply such approaches to embedded and/or real-time systems. ::Submission Requirements:: Participants are expected to submit a paper of at most 10 pages (ACM Conference Format, i.e., two-columns, 10 point font). Accepted papers will be published in the ACM International Conference Proceedings Series via the ACM Digital Library and have to be presented by one author at the JTRES. LaTeX and Word templates can be found at: http://www.acm.org/sigs/pubs/proceed/template.html Papers describing open source projects shall include a description how to obtain the source and how to run the experiments in the appendix. The source version for the published paper will be hosted at the JTRES web site. Papers should be submitted through EasyChair. Please use the submission link: https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=jtres2016 Selected papers will be invited for submission to a special issue of the TBD. Topics of interest to this workshop include, but are not limited to: New real-time programming paradigms and language features Industrial experience and practitioner reports Open source solutions for real-time Java Real-time design patterns and programming idioms High-integrity and safety critical system support Java-based real-time operating systems and processors Extensions to the RTSJ and SCJ Real-time and embedded virtual machines and execution environments Memory management and real-time garbage collection Multiprocessor and distributed real-time Java Real-time solutions for Android Languages other than Java on real-time or embedded JVMs Benchmarks and Open Source applications using real-time Java ::Important Dates:: Paper Submission: 12 June, 2016 Notification of Acceptance: 20 July, 2016 Camera Ready Paper Due: 15 August, 2016 Workshop: 29 August - 2 September, 2016 ::Program Chair:: Martin Schoeberl, Technical University of Denmark ::Workshop Chair:: Walter Binder, University of Lugano (USI), Switzerland ::Program Committee Members:: Ethan Blanton, Fiji Systems Inc Ana Cavalcanti, University of York Peter Dibble, RTSJ M. 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Buffi 13 CH-6904 Lugano Switzerland (e) andrea.rosa at usi.ch (p) +41 58 666 4455 ext. 2183 (w) http://www.inf.usi.ch/phd/rosaa/ From behrangsa at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 06:52:04 2016 From: behrangsa at gmail.com (Behrang Saeedzadeh) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:52:04 +1100 Subject: What is the view point of the JDK team about string interpolation In-Reply-To: References: <54945518.9060909@oracle.com> Message-ID: All I am saying is that aesthetics is just as important as semantics. Otherwise Java might become like Perl. IMHO $"..." is ugly, and "...\(...)..." is not. *"Fixed stuff \{expression} etc"* [...] It has the disadvantage that it silently turns a *constant* expression into a *non-constant* expression [...]. As they say, in theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. Why is that a disadvantage? In practice, what are the problems that they have introduced into Groovy, Ruby, Swift, etc.? Best regards, Behrang Saeedzadeh On 15 March 2016 at 03:13, Neal Gafter wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Behrang Saeedzadeh > wrote: > >> We already have two expression languages (JSP's and JSF's) that finally >> got integrated into the Unified EL. Even though they are used outside Java >> classes, I am not sure what would be the benefit of yet another way for >> String interpolation in the Java sphere. A subset of the Unified EL might >> be a better option (e.g. leading to more consistency across the whole >> platform). >> > > String interpolation is not a new expression language - that is, it is not > a new way of writing a *string* that can be interpreted as an *expression*. > Those interpolations would be ordinary Java expressions, understood by the > Java compiler according to all of the existing rules of the Java > programming language. > >