Group Proposal, for discussion: IDE & Tooling support

[Maurizio Cimadamore]

Hi August,
having a document checked into the repo is certainly something to 
consider; we have to balance some factors here - IDE support might be 
more fluid than e.g. build/make interface (e.g. some IDE support might 
come and go), which might point at the fact that the OpenJDK wiki might 
be a more suitable place where to host such a collaborative document.

But these are all valid points in the space, I'm sure we will find a 
reasonable place where to put the documentation, the satisfies the set 
of constraints we (as a group) decide are important.

Maurizio

On 04/03/2019 00:40, August Nagro wrote:
> Hi Maurizio,
>
> I think this is a great idea. I personally find things easiest when 
> all developer documentation/instructions are aggregated in a single 
> directory, or even single file. The big building.html in the jdk is a 
> good example of this. Maybe create a doc/development.html?
>
> - August
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:14 PM Maurizio Cimadamore 
> <maurizio.cimadamore at oracle.com 
> <mailto:maurizio.cimadamore at oracle.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     On 01/03/2019 18:05, Jonathan Gibbons wrote:
>     > Maurizio,
>     >
>     > Sounds good to me.
>     >
>     > I presume this will subsume the curiously-named "NetBeans Project"
>     > Group, that never quite gained any traction.
>
>     Yep - that happens to have a bit of a confusing name, as it's a Group
>     with the P-word in it; this new group will eventually subsume the
>     other
>     (which will be garbage collected at some point).
>
>     Maurizio
>
>     >
>     > -- Jon
>     >
>     >
>     > On 03/01/2019 08:28 AM, Maurizio Cimadamore wrote:
>     >> (This is not a call for votes; it is just a call for discussion.)
>     >>
>     >> At the last OpenJDK Committer Workshop in Brussels, we agreed
>     to set
>     >> up some channel in which to discuss issues related to OpenJDK
>     >> tooling, and, more specifically IDE support. We already have
>     pretty
>     >> comprehensive support for OpenJDK development in both IntelliJ and
>     >> Netbeans, but the main, long standing problem has been one of
>     lack of
>     >> adequate communication and coordination between these various
>     >> efforts, which often led (frustrated) developers to the path of
>     "I'll
>     >> write my own support".
>     >>
>     >> The goal of this group is, first and foremost, to extensively
>     >> document the alternatives that are already available at
>     present, as
>     >> well as to capture discussions related to tooling support which
>     are
>     >> currently scattered among many mailing list (compiler-dev,
>     jtreg-dev,
>     >> build-dev). After some internal discussions, it feels like
>     proposing
>     >> a group is the right thing to do because: (i) a group
>     automatically
>     >> gets a mailing list and a page on openjdk.java.net
>     <http://openjdk.java.net> - which can be
>     >> useful for communicating within the group and also for
>     publishing the
>     >> much needed documentation; also (ii) a group is not tied to any
>     >> specific set of deliverables (unlike, say, an OpenJDK project),
>     which
>     >> feels right in this case, as IDE support is likely to be a
>     recurring
>     >> activity.
>     >>
>     >> We want OpenJDK to be a welcoming place for developers, and I feel
>     >> that improving IDE/tooling support plays a crucial role in
>     reducing
>     >> the activation energy required to start hacking on the OpenJDK
>     codebase.
>     >>
>     >> Thoughts?
>     >>
>     >> Cheers
>     >> Maurizio
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>