From pavel.rappo at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 10:46:10 2025 From: pavel.rappo at gmail.com (Pavel Rappo) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2025 11:46:10 +0100 Subject: Help rebuild concurrency-interest archives Message-ID: A year ago, I was saddened to learn that the concurrency-interest mailing list broke down irreversibly [^1]. Not only did the list stop functioning, but its archives disappeared as well. The latter seemed especially sad as the list hosted many interesting, in-depth conversations over the years. Is there a way to get some of the archives back? Many concurrency-interest members, myself included, still have some of those conversations in their mailboxes. Given enough members, we could probably rebuild the archives. Maybe not completely, not in the same form, but close. The earliest email from concurrency-interest that I have in my mailbox is dated 2012-01-12 and the most recent is dated 2022-08-10. Since I've never unsubscribed from the list, we can safely say that 2022-08-10 is when the list ended. 2012 is the year I subscribed to the list, but it's not when the list started. To get an idea on when the list started I turned to "Wayback Machine", which showed me [^2] that the first archived email is dated 2002-01-30. So, the list was operational for more than 20 years! I wrote a script to download the monthly "Gzip'd Text" files. The script downloaded 168 out of 238 files. The downloaded files cover the period from 2002-January and up to and including 2016-March, except for 2015-January. So there's some overlap between what my mailbox has and what "Wayback Machine" has. In theory, combining data from my mailbox with data from "Wayback Machine" should be more than enough to rebuild the complete archives. However, I don't know if any of these two datasets have any quality, completeness or some other issues. And it's where the distributed nature of a mail list can help. I was not the only member. Some members subscribed earlier than I did. Their data might be used for cross-checking or filling in gaps. __So here's the deal.__ If you've ever been a member of concurrency-interest, reply with basic stats, such as total number of list emails you have and the time period they cover. And last but not least: consider donating to "Wayback Machine" today. Maybe your company can match your donation too? -Pavel [^1]: https://mail.openjdk.org/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2024-August/127856.html [^2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20220527224446/http://cs.oswego.edu/pipermail/concurrency-interest/ From pavel.rappo at gmail.com Mon Jun 16 19:34:56 2025 From: pavel.rappo at gmail.com (Pavel Rappo) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 20:34:56 +0100 Subject: Help rebuild concurrency-interest archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It so happens that the discussion has started on another OpenJDK mailing list: https://mail.openjdk.org/pipermail/concurrency-discuss/2025-June/000015.html On Sun, Jun 8, 2025 at 11:46?AM Pavel Rappo wrote: > > A year ago, I was saddened to learn that the concurrency-interest > mailing list broke down irreversibly [^1]. Not only did the list stop > functioning, but its archives disappeared as well. The latter seemed > especially sad as the list hosted many interesting, in-depth > conversations over the years. > > Is there a way to get some of the archives back? Many > concurrency-interest members, myself included, still have some of > those conversations in their mailboxes. Given enough members, we could > probably rebuild the archives. Maybe not completely, not in the same > form, but close. > > The earliest email from concurrency-interest that I have in my mailbox > is dated 2012-01-12 and the most recent is dated 2022-08-10. Since > I've never unsubscribed from the list, we can safely say that > 2022-08-10 is when the list ended. > > 2012 is the year I subscribed to the list, but it's not when the list > started. To get an idea on when the list started I turned to "Wayback > Machine", which showed me [^2] that the first archived email is dated > 2002-01-30. So, the list was operational for more than 20 years! > > I wrote a script to download the monthly "Gzip'd Text" files. The > script downloaded 168 out of 238 files. The downloaded files cover the > period from 2002-January and up to and including 2016-March, except > for 2015-January. So there's some overlap between what my mailbox has > and what "Wayback Machine" has. > > In theory, combining data from my mailbox with data from "Wayback > Machine" should be more than enough to rebuild the complete archives. > However, I don't know if any of these two datasets have any quality, > completeness or some other issues. > > And it's where the distributed nature of a mail list can help. I was > not the only member. Some members subscribed earlier than I did. Their > data might be used for cross-checking or filling in gaps. > > __So here's the deal.__ If you've ever been a member of > concurrency-interest, reply with basic stats, such as total number of > list emails you have and the time period they cover. > > And last but not least: consider donating to "Wayback Machine" today. > Maybe your company can match your donation too? > > -Pavel > > [^1]: https://mail.openjdk.org/pipermail/core-libs-dev/2024-August/127856.html > [^2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20220527224446/http://cs.oswego.edu/pipermail/concurrency-interest/