[Fwd: DLJ 6u10 bundles have been posted on jdk-distros.dev.java.net]

[Andrew John Hughes]

2008/10/17 David Herron <David.Herron at sun.com>:
> Mark Wielaard wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dalibor,
>>
>> On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 00:15 +0200, Dalibor Topic wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Andrew John Hughes wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only if you want to regress to a non-Free build, as I presume this is
>>>> the proprietary JDK i.e.
>>>> the exact opposite of OpenJDK.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of a way to build OpenJDK on sparc using non-free tools
>>> somewhere in the build process.
>>> Yet. ;)
>>>
>>
>> It is coming along nicely:
>> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/editors/archives/2008/10/one_on_one.html
>> http://www.advogato.org/person/twisti/diary.html?start=19
>>
>> I agree with Andrew. These DLJ bundles seem inappropriate for this list.
>> Not only is it a proprietary fork of what we are all working so hard on
>> to fully liberate. It is distributed under a very controversial license
>> that was explicitly written to divide the community that wants to work
>> collaboratively on free alternatives like GNU Classpath, gcj, cacao,
>> jamvm, kaffe and now icedtea/openjdk.
>>
>> DLJ 2.c says: "you do not combine, configure or distribute the Software
>> to run in conjunction with any additional software that implements the
>> same or similar functionality or APIs as the Software"
>>
>> The DLJ FAQ explains: "you can't use pieces of the JDK configured in
>> conjunction with any alternative technologies to create hybrid
>> implementations, or mingle the code from the JDK with non-JDK components
>> of any kind so that they run together."
>>
>> Which is precisely the core value of IcedTea and friends...
>>
>> So, lets see if we can somehow get the DLJ license fixed and make it
>> possible to intermingle the code of these projects. Then I think it
>> would be much more appropriate for all. Currently however it is of
>> little use to anybody on this list since even configuring or running it
>> together with our projects is disallowed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
> I suppose you're requesting that I stop sending the DLJ announcements to
> this list?
>
> As I said yesterday, I've been forwarding DLJ announcements to this list
> because some of the people here are also packaging DLJ bundles for Linux
> distros in addition to the OpenJDK derived bundles.  If I recall correctly
> the origination of this list it was in part to discuss packaging of DLJ
> bundles, not just OpenJDK bundles.  But even if I'm remembering the origin
> correctly, clearly the vast majority of the conversation on this list is
> focused on the IcedTea team efforts for building OpenJDK.
>
> As for fixing the DLJ license it's more likely that we'll simply drop the
> DLJ project altogether.  As the OpenJDK/IcedTea is improving all the time
> the DLJ has less reason to exist.  I think we would all agree that long term
> the goal is to end the reason for the existence of the DLJ project.  Since
> we mean to end the DLJ project there's little cause to spend the legal
> effort to rewrite the DLJ license.
>
> My reason to work on the DLJ project (since its beginning) was to support
> broadening the availability of 'Java' on more operating systems, especially
> on Linux.  Clearly the success of the OpenJDK has outstripped the
> distribution of the DLJ bundles and the OpenJDK is a much better vehicle to
> achieve the end of broader availability of 'Java'.
> - David Herron,
> DLJ Project tech lead (among several other hats)
>
>
>

I'm not aware of the origins of this list, but I've only ever known it
as the IcedTea
list since I joined it sometime last June-July.  The 'openjdk' suffix
was what mainly
promoted my initial comment as I don't see how this is remotely
related.  I've never
used a DLJ bundle and don't plan to, but I'm very interested in
OpenJDK.  I would have
thought there were already appropriate mailing lists for those with
such interests, and
clearly this was where the mail was forwarded from anyway.
-- 
Andrew :-)

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