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    What are peoples expectations for this meeting?<br>
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    Jon<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/18/2016 10:16 AM, Jeremy Manson
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          everyone will be happy with meeting notes rather than an
          actual recording.</span>
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          I'll add:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 8:13 AM, <a
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">ok we can record if
              everyone is open to that.
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                        <div>On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:48 AM, Jeremy Manson
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                          <div dir="ltr">Richard - I'll bring someone
                            who can take readable notes. :)
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                            <div>Jeremy</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16,
                              2016 at 5:07 AM, <a
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                                <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi
                                  Richard,
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                                  <div>I think it’s in everyone’s
                                    interest to keep this out in the
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                                  <div>Kind regards,</div>
                                  <div>Kirk</div>
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                                            <div>On Jul 16, 2016, at
                                              1:34 AM, Richard Warburton
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                                                      <div dir="ltr">Sounds
                                                        as if the
                                                        consensus is a
                                                        telephone /
                                                        video conference
                                                        in the near
                                                        term, and then a
                                                        F2F during /
                                                        close to
                                                        JavaOne.
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                                                        <div>People who
                                                          want to be
                                                          invited
                                                          include:</div>
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                                                        <a
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href="mailto:kirk@kodewerk.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kirk@kodewerk.com">kirk@kodewerk.com</a></a><br>
                                                        <a
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href="mailto:aph@redhat.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aph@redhat.com">aph@redhat.com</a></a><br>
                                                        <a
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href="mailto:volker.simonis@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:volker.simonis@gmail.com">volker.simonis@gmail.com</a></a><br>
                                                        <a
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href="mailto:jon.masamitsu@oracle.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jon.masamitsu@oracle.com">jon.masamitsu@oracle.com</a></a><br>
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                                                        <a
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href="mailto:martijnverburg@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:martijnverburg@gmail.com">martijnverburg@gmail.com</a></a>
                                                        <div><a
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href="mailto:jwha@google.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jwha@google.com">jwha@google.com</a></a></div>
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                                                        <div>Did I miss
                                                          anyone?  We
                                                          can take date
                                                          / time
                                                          planning and
                                                          logistics
                                                          off-list.</div>
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                                                    class="gmail_extra">Given
                                                    that this change
                                                    affects a lot of
                                                    organisations and
                                                    people in the wider
                                                    Java community I
                                                    think it would be
                                                    really appreciated
                                                    that a brief summary
                                                    of the discussion be
                                                    published somewhere
                                                    in public. Maybe
                                                    this mailing list?</div>
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                                                        <div>regards,<br>
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                                                          Richard
                                                        Warburton<br>
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