RFR(L) 8153224 Monitor deflation prolong safepoints (CR7/v2.07/10-for-jdk14)
David Holmes
david.holmes at oracle.com
Mon Nov 4 23:44:51 UTC 2019
Hi Dan,
Just delete the comments.
Thanks,
David
On 5/11/2019 7:25 am, Daniel D. Daugherty wrote:
> Hi David and Erik,
>
> Thanks for chiming in here Erik...
>
> This set of comments is not addressed in the CR8/v2.08/11-for-jdk14
> code review request that I just sent out.
>
> I've read this response twice and I'm not quite sure what to do with it
> relative to David's CR comment. I'll repeat those here:
>
> > 199 // The decrement only needs to be MO_ACQ_REL since the reference
> > 200 // counter is volatile.
> > 201 Atomic::dec(&_ref_count);
> >
> > volatile is irrelevant with regards to memory ordering as it is a
> compiler
> > annotation. And you haven't specified any memory order value so the
> default
> > is conservative ie. implied full fence. (I see the same incorrect
> comment
> > is in threadSMR.cpp!)
>
> Should I delete this comment? Or should it be changed? If changed, then
> what text do you recommend here?
>
>
> > 208 // The increment needs to be MO_SEQ_CST so that the reference
> > 209 // counter update is seen as soon as possible in a race with the
> > 210 // async deflation protocol.
> > 211 Atomic::inc(&_ref_count);
> >
> > Ditto you haven't specified any ordering - and inc() and dec() will
> have the same default.
>
> Should I delete this comment? Or should it be changed? If changed, then
> what text do you recommend here?
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 11/4/19 8:09 AM, erik.osterlund at oracle.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> TL/DR: David is right; the commentary is weird and does not capture
>> what the real constraints are.
>>
>> As the comment implied before "8222034: Thread-SMR functions should be
>> updated to remove work around", the PPC port used to have incorrect
>> memory ordering, and the code guarded against that. inc/dec used to be
>> memory_order_relaxed and add/sub used to be memory_order_acq_rel on
>> PPC, despite the shared contract promising memory_order_conservative.
>>
>> The implication for the nested counter in the Thread SMR project was
>> that I wanted to use the inc/dec API but knew it was not gonna work as
>> expected on PPC because we really needed *at least*
>> memory_order_acq_rel when decrementing (and memory_order_conservative
>> when incrementing, which was simulated in a CAS loop... yuck), but
>> would find ourselves getting memory_order_relaxed. Rather than
>> treating it as a bug in the PPC atomics implementation, and having the
>> code be broken while we waited for a fix, I changed the use to sub
>> when decrementing (which gave me the required memory_order_acq_rel
>> ordering I needed), and the horrible CAS loop when incrementing, as a
>> workaround, and alerted Martin Doerr that this would needed to be
>> sorted out in the PPC code. Since then, the PPC code did indeed get
>> cleaned up so that inc/dec stopped being relaxed-only and worked as
>> advertised.
>>
>> After that, the "8222034: Thread-SMR functions should be updated to
>> remove work around" change removed the workaround that was no longer
>> required from the code, and put back the desired inc/dec calls (which
>> now used an overly conservative memory_order_conservative ordering,
>> which is suboptimal, in particular for decrements, but importantly not
>> incorrect). Since the nested case would almost never run and is
>> possibly the coldest code path in the VM, I did not care to comment in
>> that review thread about optimizing it by explicitly passing in a
>> weaker ordering. However, I should have commented on the comment that
>> was changed, which does indeed look a bit confused. David is right
>> that the stuff about volatile has nothing to do with why this is
>> correct. The correctness required memory_order_acq_rel for decrements,
>> but the implementation provided more, which is fine.
>>
>> The actual reason why I wanted memory_order_conservative for
>> correctness when incrementing and memory_order_acq_rel when
>> decrementing, was to prevent accesses inside of the critical section
>> (in particular - reading Thread*s from the acquired ThreadsList), from
>> floating outside of the reference increment and decrement that marks
>> reading the list as safe to access without the underlying list blowing
>> up. In practice, it might have been possible to relax it a bit by
>> relying on side effects of other unrelated parts of the protocol to
>> have spurious fencing... but I did not want to get the protocol
>> tangled in that way because it would be difficult to reason about.
>>
>> Hope this explanation clears up that confusion.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> /Erik
>>
>> On 11/2/19 2:15 PM, Daniel D. Daugherty wrote:
>>> Erik,
>>>
>>> David H. made a comment during this review cycle that should interest
>>> you.
>>>
>>> The longer version of this comment came up in early reviews of the Async
>>> Monitor Deflation code because I copied the code and the longer comment
>>> from threadSMR.cpp. I updated the comment based on your input and review
>>> and changed the comment and code in threadSMR.cpp and in the Async
>>> Monitor
>>> Deflation project code.
>>>
>>> The change in threadSMR.cpp was done with this changeset:
>>>
>>> $ hg log -v -r 54517
>>> changeset: 54517:c201ca660afd
>>> user: dcubed
>>> date: Thu Apr 11 14:14:30 2019 -0400
>>> files: src/hotspot/share/runtime/threadSMR.cpp
>>> description:
>>> 8222034: Thread-SMR functions should be updated to remove work around
>>> Reviewed-by: mdoerr, eosterlund
>>>
>>> Here's one of the two diffs to job your memory:
>>>
>>> void ThreadsList::dec_nested_handle_cnt() {
>>> - // The decrement needs to be MO_ACQ_REL. At the moment, the
>>> Atomic::dec
>>> - // backend on PPC does not yet conform to these requirements.
>>> Therefore
>>> - // the decrement is simulated with an Atomic::sub(1, &addr).
>>> - // Without this MO_ACQ_REL Atomic::dec simulation, the nested SMR
>>> mechanism
>>> - // is not generally safe to use.
>>> - Atomic::sub(1, &_nested_handle_cnt);
>>> + // The decrement only needs to be MO_ACQ_REL since the reference
>>> + // counter is volatile (and the hazard ptr is already NULL).
>>> + Atomic::dec(&_nested_handle_cnt);
>>> }
>>>
>>> Below is David's comment about the code comment...
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> Trimming down to just that issue...
>>>
>>> On 10/29/19 4:20 PM, Daniel D. Daugherty wrote:
>>>> On 10/24/19 7:00 AM, David Holmes wrote:
>>> >
>>> > src/hotspot/share/runtime/objectMonitor.inline.hpp
>>>>
>>>>> 199 // The decrement only needs to be MO_ACQ_REL since the reference
>>>>> 200 // counter is volatile.
>>>>> 201 Atomic::dec(&_ref_count);
>>>>>
>>>>> volatile is irrelevant with regards to memory ordering as it is a
>>>>> compiler annotation. And you haven't specified any memory order
>>>>> value so the default is conservative ie. implied full fence. (I see
>>>>> the same incorrect comment is in threadSMR.cpp!)
>>>>
>>>> I got that wording from threadSMR.cpp and Erik O. confirmed my use
>>>> of that
>>>> wording previously. I'll chase it down with Erik and get back to you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 208 // The increment needs to be MO_SEQ_CST so that the reference
>>>>> 209 // counter update is seen as soon as possible in a race with
>>>>> the
>>>>> 210 // async deflation protocol.
>>>>> 211 Atomic::inc(&_ref_count);
>>>>>
>>>>> Ditto you haven't specified any ordering - and inc() and dec() will
>>>>> have the same default.
>>>>
>>>> And again, I'll have to chase this down with Erik O. and get back to
>>>> you.
>>>
>>
>
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