RFR 8243572: Multiple tests fail with assert(cld->klasses() != 0LL) failed: unexpected NULL for cld->klasses()

[David Holmes]

On 29/04/2020 9:37 am, Mandy Chung wrote:
> OK.  I can go with "weak hidden" in JFR description as it's informal.

People will go back to the Hidden Classes JEP to try and discern what a 
"weak hidden" class is. It doesn't make sense to me reject use of "weak 
hidden" in the core functionality (ie the JEP) and yet allow "informal" 
use of "weak hidden" elsewhere - it will just raise more questions than 
it answers IMO.

David

> Mandy
> 
> On 4/28/20 2:59 PM, Markus Gronlund wrote:
>>  “Hidden” genera (default) “Strong Hidden” species?
>>
> 
> Weak is the default.
> 
>> If need to make explicit, “Weak Hidden” vs “Strong Hidden”
>>
>> “Weak” as a term induces the, historically intuitive, idea of 
>> not-strong. “Regular” and “Normal” are too general for this concept, 
>> especially as Hidden Classes are introduced to be an alternative to 
>>  (historically) “Regular” and “Normal” classes.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 28 Apr 2020, at 23:12, Mandy Chung <mandy.chung at oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 4/28/20 1:13 PM, John Rose wrote:
>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Mandy Chung <mandy.chung at oracle.com 
>>>> <mailto:mandy.chung at oracle.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "non-strong" is the best term I can come up with.
>>>>
>>>> If strong is the non-default choice, then any of “regular”,
>>>> “normal”, or “weak” would be OK in my book.  I know
>>>> “weak” is no longer a technical term, but as an informal
>>>> opposite to “strong” it would work, now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "regular" or "normal" is a good one.   I didn't suggest that because 
>>> we use "normal class" to refer to non-hidden class.  For this 
>>> specific discussion about JFR user-visible description, 
>>> "regular/normal hidden classes" is probably better.
>>>
>>>> (This is a big sign of progress:  There’s little remaining to
>>>> discuss except bike shed colors!)
>>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> Mandy
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