Feature complete?

[Nicolai Parlog]

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 Hi Vitaly,

I summarized each of the J1 talks about Jigsaw. Here's Under The Hood:

	http://blog.codefx.org/java/dev/javaone-2015-under-the-hood-of-project-
jigsaw/

If you want to see the original video for a section, hit the
Play-Button next to it.

 so long ... Nicolai



On 01.12.2015 16:47, Vitaly Davidovich wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> I'm glad I gave you the opportunity to share your thoughts on what
> java would look like if designed right now :), but I was strictly
> speaking about the access modifier for modules.  The question is
> basically whether a module-private access modifier was omitted due
> to legacy/migration concerns or something more fundamental.
> Apparently the Under the Hood talk mentions the reason, so I'm
> hoping someone can just quickly mention the reason here.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 10:41 AM, <mark.reinhold at oracle.com> wrote:
> 
>> 2015/12/1 7:22 -0800, vitalyd at gmail.com:
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> Well, people can get used to just about anything, doesn't mean
>>> it's necessarily the right way.  But fundamentally, I'd like to
>>> look at java source/types and be able to infer as much
>>> semantics as possible, this includes visibility.  With jigsaw,
>>> this is now blurred for public types. If modules are truly a
>>> first class citizen, they ought to have their own 
>>> language-visible access modifier.  Let's put it this way --
>>> green field scenario, no legacy code to worry about, is this
>>> still the right choice?
>> 
>> In a green-field scenario, with no legacy code to worry about,
>> we probaby wouldn't have packages, protected members, or even
>> non-private constructors -- and we definitely wouldn't have
>> serialization.
>> 
>> That is not, however, the world that we live in.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
> 

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