Jigsaw @ JavaOne 2015

[Paul Benedict]

Tim, but Maven doesn't have a native concept of packages. That's a compiler
concern, and now Java's compiler will have both package names and module
names both with dots? I think that is confusing. A package is a properly
nested naming structure... but a module is just a simple name. Correct me
if wrong, but modules can't bundle nested modules, right? If it can't, then
using dots is more problematic than it's worth. That's why I recommend it
follow the standard Java identifier rules where underscores are the
preferred separator.
On Oct 28, 2015 2:43 PM, "Tim Boudreau" <niftiness at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 - people have been using . as a delimiter for maven groupId and
> artifactId names for years, and I've never heard of someone's head
> exploding as a result.
>
> Similarly, NetBeans module system has used . as a delimiter since 2000, and
> I don't recall ever seeing a message on the mailing lists (which I've been
> on since '99 and am still active on) having a problem with it.
>
> -Tim
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 12:59 PM, David M. Lloyd <david.lloyd at redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We've been (with JBoss Modules and thus our various application server
> > offerings) using module name conventions that match package names for
> > several years, and the number of people who have actually been confused
> by
> > it to my knowledge is exactly zero.
> >
> > The actual problem is probably quite overstated.  People just don't seem
> > to have trouble with this (nor do people generally seem to get confused
> by,
> > for example, a C++ library name being the same as the root C++ namespace
> > used by that library, to draw another language equivalent).
> >
> >
> > On 10/28/2015 06:56 AM, Remi Forax wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Marrio,
> >>
> >> When creating a new application, using the prefix of the packages as
> name
> >> for a module seems intuitive and using '_' instead of '.' as separator
> >> inside the module name avoid the unecessary confusion for a human
> between a
> >> package and a module with the same name, it's just a code convention.
> >>
> >> When retrofitting an old application, like by example the JDK, you will
> >> group packages that have no a common prefix name or the common prefix
> can
> >> be used for several modules, in that case, having a module named
> java.base
> >> but no package java.base.something seems counter intuitive, using '_'
> >> instead of '.' make clear that a module name is just a name.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> Rémi
> >>
> >> ----- Mail original -----
> >>
> >>> De: "Mario Torre" <neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com>
> >>> À: "Paul Benedict" <pbenedict at apache.org>
> >>> Cc: jigsaw-dev at openjdk.java.net
> >>> Envoyé: Mardi 27 Octobre 2015 23:41:05
> >>> Objet: Re: Jigsaw @ JavaOne 2015
> >>>
> >>> 2015-10-27 22:13 GMT+01:00 Paul Benedict <pbenedict at apache.org>:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks Mark. Great slides. I'd just like to throw out my impression
> >>>> (again)
> >>>> that module names with dots look like packages. How receptive is the
> EG
> >>>> to
> >>>> changing it to underscores?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I think that this is the exact point, mapping to package seems quite
> >>> intuitive as it represents directly the content of the module.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Mario
> >>>
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