Multiple versions of a non-exported dependency

[Paul Benedict]

Neil, but doesn't the prohibition of duplicate packages continue to rear
its head?

Cheers,
Paul

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:21 PM, cowwoc <cowwoc at bbs.darktech.org> wrote:

> Well, this is unfortunate. As I stated earlier, I fail to see how
> depending on constant version numbers (not version ranges) fall under
> the scope of "version selection". Was this case considered/discussed in
> depth?
>
> Not everyone is sold on version ranges (e.g. the vast majority of Maven
> artifacts I've seen depend on constant versions) and I think this would
> go a long way towards solving the original "classpath hell" problem.
>
> Gili
>
> On 2016-08-31 2:55 PM, Neil Bartlett [via jigsaw-dev] wrote:
> > Gili,
> >
> > As Alex points out: your use-case can be supported in Java 9 but only
> > with the addition of custom ClassLoaders, or by using an existing
> > ClassLoader-based module system such as OSGi.
> >
> > The same is also true of Java 8, and Java 7, etc.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > > On 31 Aug 2016, at 19:29, Alex Buckley <[hidden email]
> > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5713366&i=0>> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 8/31/2016 10:56 AM, cowwoc wrote:
> > >> I recently became aware of the fact that the Jigsaw specification
> > declared
> > >> "version-selection" as a non-goal. While I understand how we ended
> > up here,
> > >> I am hoping that you were able to support the following (very common)
> > >> use-case:
> > >>
> > >> * Module "HelloWorld" depends on modules "Guava" and "JSoup".
> > >> * Module "Guava" depends on module slf4j version 1 (requires but
> > does not
> > >> export it).
> > >> * Module "JSoup" depends on module slf4j version 2 (requires but
> > does not
> > >> export it).
> > >> * slf4j version 2 and is not backwards-compatible with version 1.
> > >>
> > >> What happens at runtime? Will Jigsaw (out of the box, without
> > 3rd-party
> > >> tools like Maven or OSGI) be smart enough to provide different
> > versions of
> > >> slf4j to "Guava" and "JSoup"?
> > >
> > > (You mean Guava/JSoup requires slf4j version 1/2 and does not
> > "re-export" it a.k.a. 'requires public'.)
> > >
> > > This use case isn't possible on JDK 8 for JARs on the classpath, and
> > it's not supported on JDK 9 for modular JARs on the modulepath:
> > >
> > > - If you have two versions of a modular JAR slf4j.jar in different
> > directories on the modulepath, then the first one to be found will
> > dominate, and that's what will be resolved for both Guava and JSoup.
> > >
> > > - If you have two modular JARs slf4j_v1.jar and slf4j_v2.jar on the
> > modulepath, and Guava requires slf4j_v1 and JSoup requires slf4j_v2,
> > then launching 'java -m HelloWorld' will fail. The boot layer will
> > refuse to map the "same" packages from different slf4j_v* modules to
> > the application class loader.
> > >
> > > The use case _is_ supported on JDK 9 for modular JARs loaded into
> > custom loaders of custom layers. That is, the Java Platform Module
> > System is perfectly capable of supporting the use case -- please see
> > any of my "Jigsaw: Under The Hood" presentations. The use case just
> > isn't supported "out of the box" by the 'java' launcher for JARs on
> > the modulepath.
> > >
> > > Alex
> >
> >
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Cheers,
Paul