It's not too late for access control

[dalibor topic]

On 15.07.2016 13:55, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
> So what happens is that such projects go to communities like WildFly
> and OSGi for advice, where the typical answer is among the lines "I
> know, we're discussing such things on the jigsaw-dev list, watch
> thread XY, or watch #MyIssueCategory on Mark's blogs".

Please also ask them to the Quality Outreach effort, as well and send 
them my or Rory's way.

> summarising feedback from hundreds of projects there. The ones who
> care are lurking on this list hoping to see answers for issues which
> have been raised already, but not many feel competent enough to join
> the conversation directly (and this might be a good thing!).

(Breaking the fourth wall)

If you're lurking on this list, are a lead developer on a popular open 
source project, and aren't listed on 
https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/quality/Quality+Outreach yet, 
please get in touch with me to get listed there and start testing your 
project with JDK 9 Early Access builds, letting us know about things 
that don't work as they should.

> interests of all such users. Not sure if you want us to organise a
> storm of "+1" emails as I'm confident that reason will win over
> spamming strategies and populism (or should I say "modern democracy").

I don't think that would be a productive use of anyone's resources.

> I can't say what other OSGi frameworks are doing, but for example
> testing Hibernate in OSGi requires Apache Karaf, which is stuck on
> issues like:
>  - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-3518

Judging by http://markmail.org/message/6v3kiqabebwtuwpv they use the 
endorsed standards mechanism to override non-endorsed classes. That's 
not how the Java Endorsed Standards Override Mechanism
works - please see 
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/standards/ for 
details.

A large part of what we do initially within the Quality Outreach effort 
is to help open source projects understand problems with their own code 
and practices that can adversely affect their ability to migrate to new 
JDK (update) releases as they start testing against JDK 9 and discover 
one or more issues with their code.

cheers,
dalibor topic

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