It's not too late for access control

[Alan Bateman]

On 15/07/2016 12:55, Sanne Grinovero wrote:

> :
> Hi Alan, you're spot-on about JEP-220: myself and my colleagues have
> sent patches to numerous projects to which I normally don't contribute
> to, just to fix our dependencies, such as Maven.
Good to hear this.

>
> But please be aware of how many of the OSS projects in the Java
> community are organised: some will have integration tests running in
> modular environments, like WildFly which is based on David Lloyd's
> JBoss Modules, or for OSGi tests it seems popular to use Apache Karaf.
> Many others don't have any "modular" or "container" integration tests
> and are not aware of what's coming.. since in my team we package some
> of these for usage in modular environments, I'm painfully aware of
> problems coming but it's no easy task to convince them for the need to
> test now.
I understand, we've found it hard in the past to get projects to test 
too. However, for JDK 9 then I see a lot more projects engaged and 
actively testing. As we've been saying at conferences for several years 
now, the changes in JDK 9 have a huge impact on the eco system, this 
update is not a JDK-only update.

>
> When I get in touch to try convey a sense of urgent need to test
> Jigsaw, and sometimes successfully, then people realise that their
> whole toolchain, not least the testing environment, blows up with
> errors which are often too complex or simply too unrelated to the
> project itself.
There are folks working on several Oracle's products trying out JDK 9 
builds too. A lot of issues that I hear about tend to be somewhat 
mundane but they are some complicated issues too - particularly around 
deploying upgraded versions of the components that overlap with what is 
the JDK (the EE modules and CORBA mostly).
>
> So what happens is that such projects go to communities like WildFly
> and OSGi for advice, where the typical answer is among the lines "I
> know, we're discussing such things on the jigsaw-dev list, watch
> thread XY, or watch #MyIssueCategory on Mark's blogs".
>
> In short, please be aware that David Lloyd isn't making such
> suggestions just for WildFly itself, but is pre-processing and
> summarising feedback from hundreds of projects there. The ones who
> care are lurking on this list hoping to see answers for issues which
> have been raised already, but not many feel competent enough to join
> the conversation directly (and this might be a good thing!).
Do you know if these hundreds of projects are really trying out modules?

-Alan