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Hi Dzmitry,
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<div>Thanks for your email. In fact, if you look further in Wikipedia: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_alphabet#Letter_names">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_alphabet#Letter_names</a></div>
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<div>You’ll see that in the table it gives both spellings for “L”, i.e. “el” or “ell”. It has a footnote for “ell” stating this is the US spelling. (I suspect this is why Leslie Lamport picked it for LaTeX.) </div>
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<div>The rest of the JLS adopts US spellings always, so I propose that we keep to the “ell” spelling.</div>
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<div>Best wishes,</div>
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<div>On 26 Jul 2024, at 23:17, Dzmitry Krakadzeyau <krakadzeyau@gmail.com> wrote:</div>
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<p>Hi, Alex,</p>
<p>LaTeX is a cool tool but according to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L</a>:</p>
<p><b style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">L</b><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">,
or<span> </span></span><b style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">l</b><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">,
is the twelfth<span> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_(alphabet)" title="Letter (alphabet)" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-progressive,#36c); background: none rgb(249, 249, 249); border-radius: 2px; overflow-wrap: break-word; font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;">letter</a><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>of
the<span> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet" title="Latin alphabet" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-progressive,#36c); background: none rgb(249, 249, 249); border-radius: 2px; overflow-wrap: break-word; font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;">Latin
alphabet</a><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">,
used in the<span> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_alphabet" title="English alphabet" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-progressive,#36c); background: none rgb(249, 249, 249); border-radius: 2px; overflow-wrap: break-word; font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;">modern
English alphabet</a><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">,
the alphabets of other western European languages and others worldwide. Its name in English is<span> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_alphabet#Letter_names" title="English alphabet" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-progressive,#36c); background: none rgb(249, 249, 249); border-radius: 2px; overflow-wrap: break-word; font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"><i style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important;">el</i></a><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>(pronounced<span> </span></span><span class="rt-commentedText nowrap" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; white-space: nowrap; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span class="IPA nopopups noexcerpt" lang="en-fonipa" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English" title="Help:IPA/English" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; text-decoration: none !important; color: var(--color-progressive,#36c); background: none; border-radius: 2px; overflow-wrap: break-word;">/<span style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; border-bottom: 1px dotted;"><span title="/ˈ/: primary stress follows" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important;">ˈ</span><span title="/ɛ/: 'e' in 'dress'" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important;">ɛ</span><span title="'l' in 'lie'" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important;">l</span></span>/</a></span></span><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key" title="Help:Pronunciation respelling key" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; text-decoration: none; color: var(--color-progressive,#36c); background: none rgb(249, 249, 249); border-radius: 2px; overflow-wrap: break-word; font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"><i title="English pronunciation respelling" style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important;"><span style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; font-size: 18px;">EL</span></i></a><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; 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plural<span> </span></span><i style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">els</i><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 249, 249); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">.</span></p>
<p>Reference:</p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(234, 243, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">"L"<span> </span></span><i style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(234, 243, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Oxford
English Dictionary,</i><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(234, 243, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>2nd
edition (1989)<span> </span></span><i style="animation-delay: -0.01ms !important; animation-duration: 0.01ms !important; animation-iteration-count: 1 !important; scroll-behavior: auto !important; transition-duration: 0ms !important; text-shadow: transparent 0px 0px 0px, rgb(0, 0, 0) 0px 0px 0px !important; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(234, 243, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Merriam-Webster's
Third New International Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged.</i><span style="color: rgb(32, 33, 34); font-family: Arial; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(234, 243, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><span> </span>(1993)</span></p>
<p>I have <i>Oxford English Dictionary</i>, 2nd edition (1989) and confirm that it mentions "<i>el</i>" but not "<i>ell</i>".<br>
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"ell" is used in US English for the name of the letter 'l'. See also \ell in LaTeX.
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On 3/29/2024 5:02 PM, Dzmitry Krakadzeyau wrote: <br>
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The document "/jls22.pdf/": <br>
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Version: 22 <br>
Status: Final Release <br>
Release: March 2024 <br>
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/The suffix L is preferred, because the letter l (*ell*) is often hard to distinguish from the digit 1 (one)./
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It must be "/letter l (*el*)/". <br>
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