Advice + proposals regarding automodule naming

Remi Forax forax at
Mon Jan 16 15:44:03 UTC 2017

Hi Robert,
the problem with automatic modules is more general that just the name, automatics modules also creates a flat hierarchy which doesn't map well with the Maven artifact descriptor.

I wonder why you want Maven to use automatic modules, or said differently Maven has a lot of information about the artifact, why do you want to forget all these information when fetching a Maven artifact.

I think that one problem is that you do not want to create a module-info.class from the Maven POM and insert it into the jar because it will change the artifact*.
This kind of modules is supported by jigsaw under the name of synthetic modules. A synthetic module is a module with a module descriptor not created by javac but by another tool. 

In my opinion, automatic modules are interesting when you have jar that do not come from Maven central but comes from an ad-hoc build tool and will be considered as a leaf of the dependency DAG.
Otherwise, for existing module system, using a synthetic module seem to be a better idea.


* given you have also the problem of split packages, you also need a way to merge several artifacts into one modular jar because it's the easy way to solve the split package problem.

----- Mail original -----
> De: "Robert Scholte" <rfscholte at>
> À: jpms-spec-experts at
> Cc: "Apache Maven Dev" <dev at>
> Envoyé: Lundi 16 Janvier 2017 10:37:08
> Objet: Advice + proposals regarding automodule naming

> This is a message from Robert Scholte and Brian Fox. We both have been
> talking about this topic several weeks with other Maven developers and
> came to the conclusion that we should warn the jigsaw team with their
> current approach regarding auto modules. We will share our experiences,
> thoughts, conclusions and will suggest two proposals.
> Traditionally, the Java ecosystem has been very mature in terms of naming
> and namespacing. The reverse fqdn introduced into the java package was a
> great choice to ensure classes don’t conflict. Popular build tools such as
> Maven and nearly all those that followed built upon that this key concept
> with the introduction of “GroupId” also using the fqdn as part of the name
> to ensure the coordinates were properly namespaced.
> We’ve seen some ecosystems diverge from this leading to new challenges
> that ultimately had to be reversed. A great example can be seen in the “
> tragic mistake from npm creators ” [1] which was to launch without a
> namespace concept. Eventually, NPM started running out of useful names and
> had to backtrack to introduce “scopes” which is really just a namespace
> [2]. The real problem here is that the major change in namespace was
> backed in after several years of momentum without it. It’s taken a long
> time for tooling and best practice to catch up to scopes and in the
> interim, people have been left with a dual mode, some namespaced, some not
> namespaced situation that has created chaos. [3]
> The real issue at hand here as we consider behaviors in the jigsaw
> automodule revolves around two well studied concepts.
> The most important is the “Default effect” [3] which states that whatever
> the default behavior is will become the most prominent best practice. A
> default that uses a filename to generate a very short, un-namespaced
> module id effectively sets the behavior to create generic names that will
> eventually conflict...exactly what we’ve seen in npm.
> Additionally, The switching costs introduced in overcoming a default
> un-namespaced module id to one with a unique namespace is also significant
> once you consider all the potential users. This is why API change is hard,
> and changing the module id after the fact from the default is effectively
> an API change.
> The second principal at hand is the “Principle of least astonishment”. We
> want to find a default that doesn’t violate what most users would consider
> to be the most obvious. One could argue the current auto module algorithm
> doesn’t violate this principle, but it’s important to consider alternate
> suggestions in this light.
> First, lets explore the potential downsides if the default effect takes
> hold with the currently generated auto module id. In Apache Maven, the
> artifact id is the part of the coordinate that generates the filename.
> This means that com.somecompany:artifact:version will become
> artifact-version.jar, which would result in automodule id “artifact”.
> Armed with this understanding, that does an analysis of the Maven
> ecosystem have to say about potential conflicts in the automodule id?
> If we ignore the groupid and version of all the components in the Maven
> Central repository, we end up with over 13,500 (7% of the total
> group:artifact combinations) conflicts. This does not consider conflicts
> across other repositories, or within customer portfolios yet it is pretty
> telling. Conflicts will happen. In some cases, the number of conflicts on
> the same common names is well above 100. The list of conflicts as of
> October, 2016 can be seen here. [6]
> At this point, hopefully we’ve made the case for at least establishing a
> default module id that
> 1. Uses namespaces to minimizes id conflicts when possible
> 2. Leverages the default effect to create a de facto best practice
> 3. Follows the principle of least astonishment
> We have two potential proposals that solve these goals.
> Proposal 1: Leverage existing coordinates when available.
> Maven is inarguably the most popular build system for Java components,
> with Maven Central being the default and largest repository of Java
> components in the world. By default, every jar built by Maven
> automatically gets a simple properties file inserted into it with its
> unique coordinates. Now, not every jar in Central was built with Maven,
> however 94% of them were, as we can find the file in
> 1,806,023 of the 1,913,561 central components . Talk about the default
> effect in action!
> It’s further important to recognize that given a jar with a
> declaring coordinates, it means that the project itself has chosen those
> coordinates as their own name. In other words, this is how they refer to
> themselves, even if other consumers may not be using Maven directly.
> If automodule were able to peek inside a jar and generate the default id
> using the groupid and artifactid present in the file, this would nearly
> eliminate all instances of id conflict because a significant portion of
> the Java ecosystem is in fact built with Maven. Additionally, the fact
> that 1.8 million (and counting) modules would have namespace as the
> default behavior means we’ve taken a huge step in setting the best
> practice of picking module ids with a namepace. Additionally, since the
> project itself has chosen these coordinates and uses them as their primary
> distribution mechanism, this follows the principle of least astonishment
> to consumers regardless of their chosen build system. Finally, since all
> of the above are true, it’s unlikely the project would need to migrate to
> a new module id when they adopt jigsaw natively, thus avoiding an API
> switching cost for their users.
> Proposal 2: Drop automodules
> Right now Jigsaw tries to calculate a module name solely based on the name
> of the jar file, which now already causes issues. Besides the fact that
> the module name is not guaranteed unique compared with its Maven
> coordinate, there are extra transformations which makes it even less
> guaranteed that it is unique; e.g. dashes are replaced by dots (which are
> both valid artifactId characters), in some cases the number and their
> following characters are stripped off. For artifacts like
> jboss-servlet-api_4.0_spec it makes sense, however we already see issues
> here where commons-lang, commons-lang2 and commons-lang3 get the same
> module name,
> even though they have different artifactIds and contain different
> packages. Choosing different artifactIds and packages was a very wise
> decision because it made it possible that these jars could live next to
> each other. Removing that separation by the authors is a very unwise
> decision.
> Another known example is the jsrNNN jars, which now all get jsr as the
> module name.
> Is it highly unlikely there is one single rule to capture all the use
> cases and which always result in a module name we can work with.
> For that reason the other proposal is to simply drop automodules. Don’t
> try to come up with a name for unnamed jars. It might look like the
> feature of automodules makes migrating easier because every dependency
> will get a name so can complete your module-info for all requirements, but
> we expect that once Jigsaw comes to speed the invalid module names are
> actually blocking further development due to name collisions or forced
> renaming by transitive modular jars.
> The advantage of this proposal is that library builders are not forced to
> keep the proposed module name in order to maintain backwards compatibility
> with the default.. Instead library builders can pick a more suitable
> module name. The modular system doesn’t allow the same package to be
> exported by multiple jars (and automodules exports every package). Library
> builders can fix this is their new jars, however if end users would
> require both jars because they were specified as requirements in different
> transitive jars, you cannot compile this project. There’s just no
> dependency-excludes like Maven has, because “requires” in the module-info
> really means requires. Dropping automodules will prevent these kind of
> issues, because a package can only be exported by a named module.
> Sure, this means that for end users they cannot refer to every jar in
> their module-info. But at least if they add a “requires” to their
> module-info, they can ensure that it’ll always refer to the intended
> modular jar. With build tools like Maven the chance of missing artifacts
> on the classpath has already been reduced a lot. In general builds have
> become quite stable, so we don’t expect that developers will translate all
> dependencies to the module-info file, especially if we warn them about the
> possible consequences of depending on automodules. Only referring to named
> modules and even a single “requires” is already a gain. There’s no reason
> to try to speed this up and give the developer the false impression that
> it’ll keep working when upgrading to real modular jars. Focus should be on
> the target, not on the path how to reach it.
> Dropping the automodules will prevent a lot of discussions about what is
> the correct way to select a module name and will give the responsibility
> for the name back to the place where it belongs: the developer.
> [1]
> [2]
> [3] The fact that so much of the npm ecosystem is effectively
> not-namespaced is has actually
> created potential build time malware injection possibilities. If I know of
> a package in use by a
> company through log analysis, bug report analysis etc, I could potentially
> go register the same
> name in the default repo with a very high semver and know that it’s very
> likely this would be
> picked up over the intended internally developed module because there’s no
> namespace.
> [4]
> [5]
> [6]
> Q5M/edit?usp=sharing
> [7] #Risk and assumptions
> [8]

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