Value types: lost design history

[Martin Buchholz]

We need a mailing list where it's appropriate to discuss the design of
upcoming language features like value types.
This list isn't quite it, but the level of abuse is smallish:

15 years ago, Gosling had a design for value types as part of an effort to
provide better support for numerics.  The web page hosting those ideas
(fp.html) fell victim to a policy change at Sun and dropped off the Net.
 Fortunately, the Wayback machine still has a copy, although it is not easy
to find.

http://web.archive.org/web/19990202050412/http://java.sun.com/people/jag/FP.html#classes

I remember waiting for Gosling's proposal to be implemented, but nothing
ever happened....

Gosling writes that he was influenced by Sather, perhaps indirectly via
David Stoutamire, who was at Sun at the time.
Sather's FAQ on "immutable classes" is still online.
http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~sather/faq.html#19

Their ideas are still good and it seems that the latest generation of java
language designers may have rediscovered them?