<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #1010FF;margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"David Alayachew" <davidalayachew@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"leyden-dev" <leyden-dev@openjdk.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, August 27, 2023 8:34:22 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>I don't understand the wording here.<br></blockquote></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;">Hello Leyden Dev Team,</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hello David,<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;">I was reading the Leyden doc Brian Goetz put out this month called "Condensing Indy Bootstraps".</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;"><a href="https://openjdk.org/projects/leyden/notes/04-condensing-bootstraps" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-mce-href="https://openjdk.org/projects/leyden/notes/04-condensing-bootstraps">https://openjdk.org/projects/leyden/notes/04-condensing-bootstraps</a><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;">Here is a quote from the last sentence of the first paragraph.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;">> However, the bootstraps used by <code>javac</code> generally avoid runtime dependencies the most dynamic features of method handles, and therefore are likely candidates for such re-shifting.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;">I don't understand the wording here. Mistype?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I will explain what it means. Invokedynamic calls a bootstrap method that returns a CallSite. There are two kind of callsites, ConstantCallSite and MutableCallSite, a constant callsite means that the callsite can be optimized now while a mutable callsite means the callsite can be optimized later, once the target is stable enough. Currently, javac generates invokedynamic that only uses constant callsites.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Since this doc was created, we now know that the distiller phase [1] is more prowerful than previously thought so we may not need to condense indy bootstrap methods but just annotate them to say if the result needed to be replayed or not. So the same mechanism can be used for both static fields and bootstrap methods.</div><div><br></div><div>If you play with the premain prototype of Leyden [2], there is a global option -XX:+ArchiveInvokeDynamic that stores all the callsite targets of the first run (training run) inside the CDS archive.<span style="color: #067d17;" data-mce-style="color: #067d17;"></span></div><div>Here is an example of how to use the prototype to run maven [3], the first run of maven keep the dynamic information into a CDS archive and a code archive so the next runs re-use those informations to get a faster warmup time.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #1010FF; margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;">Thank you for your time and help!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: monospace;" data-mce-style="font-family: monospace;">David Alayachew<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://openjdk.org/projects/leyden/notes/03-toward-condensers" data-mce-href="https://openjdk.org/projects/leyden/notes/03-toward-condensers">https://openjdk.org/projects/leyden/notes/03-toward-condensers</a><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>[2] <a href="https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/tree/premain" data-mce-href="https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/tree/premain">https://github.com/openjdk/leyden/tree/premain</a><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>[3] <a href="https://github.com/forax/computed-constant/blob/master/mvn-leyden.bash">https://github.com/forax/computed-constant/blob/master/mvn-leyden.bash</a><br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br></div></div></div></body></html>