Why is the windows runtime/sdk only provided as .exe

[Kim Topley]

As far as I can see, there is no JavaFX API documentation included.

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kim Topley <kimtopley at gmail.com> wrote:

> The code goes to
> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.7.0.jdk/Contents/Home/jre/lib - I see
> jfxrt.jar and the JavaFX DLLs in there. I haven't downloaded the Javadoc
> package yet - I'll post again when I have done so.
>
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> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Tom Schindl <tom.schindl at bestsolution.at>wrote:
>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> I'm replying here because I think more people who are interested in zips
>> (e.g. anyone using maven!) are listening here.
>>
>> So you are stating in the bug that no zips will be provided anymore
>> which I think is a very disappointing situation - I will and have to
>> accept it.
>>
>> If you read through the mailing list threads how Richard, Jasper, ...
>> advised to deploy JavaFX application they always stated that one should
>> bundle it with the application (probably with the JRE which is a no go
>> when we talk about Webstart).
>>
>> Without providing zips you force me to have:
>> * Win32
>> * Mac OS X > 10.7.0
>> * Linux (in future)
>>
>> to extract the fxjar + native libs to repackage in my custom app. I know
>> I need them anyways to test, ... but forcing me to do it manually
>> instead of simply providing zip downloads is ridiculous (and because of
>> the licensing stuff I one person in the world would have done and wants
>> to share it with the rest of us he/she is not allowed).
>>
>> For me as a tooling vendor your current decision gives me headaches
>> because I want and need to support multiple different SDK-Install-Styles:
>> * Dev Preview install (done through zips with the structure in there)
>>
>> * JDK-7-Installs
>>  => Not sure how they look like and I'm unable to test because I only
>>     have OS-X 10.6.8
>>
>> * JDK-6
>>
>> When we take a look into the future this JDK-Exe install kind of thing
>> is a deadend road because you'll stop viewing the JDK/JRE as an all in
>> one thing installable through one .exe because of jigsaw.
>>
>> Anyways I appreciate that you took a look but I'm not happy with it and
>> hope I can find a way around it until then I can only point people to
>> the JIRA entry when they want to use e(fx)clipse os OS-X.
>>
>> Can anyone here tell me how the OS-X JDK-7-Installation structure looks
>> like? Where am I supposed to find:
>> * the javafxrt.jar
>> * the dlls
>> * the fx-javadoc
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Am 08.05.12 15:43, schrieb Tom Schindl:
>> > Haveing the SDK-zips will solve all my current problems. Thanks for
>> taking a Look.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> > Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> >
>> > Am 08.05.2012 um 15:40 schrieb Kevin Rushforth <
>> kevin.rushforth at oracle.com>:
>> >
>> >> Hi Tom,
>> >>
>> >> I just looked and you are right...only see the .exe files were
>> released for 2.1. I will check into this and get back to you.
>> >>
>> >> The Mac issue will be trickier since we don't have any tested /
>> supported standalone bundles of JavaFX 2.1 on Mac. As a released product
>> JavaFX 2.1 for Mac is only available as part of JDK 7u4.
>> >>
>> >> -- Kevin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tom Schindl wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Kevin - can you take a look at this once more? Since the 2.1 release
>> the
>> >>> zips for the SDKs are not available anymore!
>> >>>
>> >>> One can only download the one for 2.2 so it looks like the dev-release
>> >>> site was adjusted but the GA site not.
>> >>>
>> >>> For those of use doing cross platform development and packaging JavaFX
>> >>> with their apps getting geting the releases as zips is something
>> really
>> >>> important.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sidenote: Even worse because I'm still on OS-X 10.6.8 I can't even
>> >>> install JavaFX because the JDK-7 release requires at least 10.7.0 (I
>> >>> know you are not support JavaFX prior to JDK 7)
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 04.01.12 17:37, schrieb Kevin Rushforth:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Oh, maybe we don't actually release the SDK on the public web page
>> >>>> either (I knew we didn't release the runtime as a zip since we don't
>> >>>> even generate it internally).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Kevin
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tom Schindl wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Kevin,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Well maybe I'm blind but for win32 the there is NO zip available
>> from
>> >>>>> this page [1].
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The only thing available currently as a zip is the OS-X SDK version
>> >>>>> which misses the win32 native libs not? I'll file a JIRA.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [1]
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javafx/downloads/devpreview-1429449.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 04.01.12 17:22, schrieb Kevin Rushforth:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Good question. The SDK is available as both an installer and a
>> zip, and
>> >>>>>> we could consider make the runtime available as a zip file as
>> well, so
>> >>>>>> please file a JIRA feature request for this.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> As for your other question, it is not currently possible to have
>> 2.0.2
>> >>>>>> and 2.1 instaled side-by-side.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -- Kevin
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Tom Schindl wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Now that since 2.0.2 (and also 2.1) are redistributeable it might
>> make
>> >>>>>>> sense to provide them also as simple ZIP-Files.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I find it odd that if I want to package JavaFX with my product
>> that I
>> >>>>>>> first have to install something only my system, navigate to the
>> install
>> >>>>>>> dir and copy over the stuff my own project directory.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Is it BTW possible to have 2.1 and 2.0.2 installed next to each
>> other? I
>> >>>>>>> guess not which makes it hard to test with both versions on the
>> same
>> >>>>>>> system, which would be made much more easy if provided as simple
>> >>>>>>> ZIP-Files.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Would you mind providing JavaFX 2.1 binaries (and maybe also >
>> 2.0.2) as
>> >>>>>>> a simple zip-File like you do it with 2.1 OS-X ones?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Tom
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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