Why is the windows runtime/sdk only provided as .exe
Tom Schindl
tom.schindl at bestsolution.at
Thu May 10 06:48:13 PDT 2012
Well if you are at that. Why is the source (the portion which is
opensource already) not packaged with the JDK as well?
I think your current story has a lot of holes at the moment because
although you pretend you are part of the JDK in fact you are not and are
not following JDK:
* missing source
* missing javadoc
(The source shiping should be added also to the 2.2 zips IMHO)
So why not revert the management position and ship zips until you really
managed to be a part of JDK? If you manage to do this in 2.2 fine but
don't leave the users without a solution until 2.2 is released (which is
sometime in autumn?).
Tom
Am 10.05.12 14:40, schrieb Kevin Rushforth:
> Hi Kim,
>
> You are right. The FX docs are currently not included with the JDK on
> Mac. I have filed RT-21463
> <http://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-21463> to address this for FX
> 2.2 / JDK 7u6.
>
> -- Kevin
>
>
> Kim Topley wrote:
>> As far as I can see, there is no JavaFX API documentation included.
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kim Topley <kimtopley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The code goes to
>>> /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.7.0.jdk/Contents/Home/jre/lib - I see
>>> jfxrt.jar and the JavaFX DLLs in there. I haven't downloaded the Javadoc
>>> package yet - I'll post again when I have done so.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Tom Schindl <tom.schindl at bestsolution.at>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> I'm replying here because I think more people who are interested in zips
>>>> (e.g. anyone using maven!) are listening here.
>>>>
>>>> So you are stating in the bug that no zips will be provided anymore
>>>> which I think is a very disappointing situation - I will and have to
>>>> accept it.
>>>>
>>>> If you read through the mailing list threads how Richard, Jasper, ...
>>>> advised to deploy JavaFX application they always stated that one should
>>>> bundle it with the application (probably with the JRE which is a no go
>>>> when we talk about Webstart).
>>>>
>>>> Without providing zips you force me to have:
>>>> * Win32
>>>> * Mac OS X > 10.7.0
>>>> * Linux (in future)
>>>>
>>>> to extract the fxjar + native libs to repackage in my custom app. I know
>>>> I need them anyways to test, ... but forcing me to do it manually
>>>> instead of simply providing zip downloads is ridiculous (and because of
>>>> the licensing stuff I one person in the world would have done and wants
>>>> to share it with the rest of us he/she is not allowed).
>>>>
>>>> For me as a tooling vendor your current decision gives me headaches
>>>> because I want and need to support multiple different SDK-Install-Styles:
>>>> * Dev Preview install (done through zips with the structure in there)
>>>>
>>>> * JDK-7-Installs
>>>> => Not sure how they look like and I'm unable to test because I only
>>>> have OS-X 10.6.8
>>>>
>>>> * JDK-6
>>>>
>>>> When we take a look into the future this JDK-Exe install kind of thing
>>>> is a deadend road because you'll stop viewing the JDK/JRE as an all in
>>>> one thing installable through one .exe because of jigsaw.
>>>>
>>>> Anyways I appreciate that you took a look but I'm not happy with it and
>>>> hope I can find a way around it until then I can only point people to
>>>> the JIRA entry when they want to use e(fx)clipse os OS-X.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone here tell me how the OS-X JDK-7-Installation structure looks
>>>> like? Where am I supposed to find:
>>>> * the javafxrt.jar
>>>> * the dlls
>>>> * the fx-javadoc
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> Am 08.05.12 15:43, schrieb Tom Schindl:
>>>>
>>>>> Haveing the SDK-zips will solve all my current problems. Thanks for
>>>>>
>>>> taking a Look.
>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.05.2012 um 15:40 schrieb Kevin Rushforth <
>>>>>
>>>> kevin.rushforth at oracle.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just looked and you are right...only see the .exe files were
>>>>>>
>>>> released for 2.1. I will check into this and get back to you.
>>>>
>>>>>> The Mac issue will be trickier since we don't have any tested /
>>>>>>
>>>> supported standalone bundles of JavaFX 2.1 on Mac. As a released product
>>>> JavaFX 2.1 for Mac is only available as part of JDK 7u4.
>>>>
>>>>>> -- Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Schindl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin - can you take a look at this once more? Since the 2.1 release
>>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>> zips for the SDKs are not available anymore!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One can only download the one for 2.2 so it looks like the dev-release
>>>>>>> site was adjusted but the GA site not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those of use doing cross platform development and packaging JavaFX
>>>>>>> with their apps getting geting the releases as zips is something
>>>>>>>
>>>> really
>>>>
>>>>>>> important.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sidenote: Even worse because I'm still on OS-X 10.6.8 I can't even
>>>>>>> install JavaFX because the JDK-7 release requires at least 10.7.0 (I
>>>>>>> know you are not support JavaFX prior to JDK 7)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 04.01.12 17:37, schrieb Kevin Rushforth:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, maybe we don't actually release the SDK on the public web page
>>>>>>>> either (I knew we didn't release the runtime as a zip since we don't
>>>>>>>> even generate it internally).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Kevin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom Schindl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well maybe I'm blind but for win32 the there is NO zip available
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> from
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this page [1].
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only thing available currently as a zip is the OS-X SDK version
>>>>>>>>> which misses the win32 native libs not? I'll file a JIRA.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javafx/downloads/devpreview-1429449.html
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 04.01.12 17:22, schrieb Kevin Rushforth:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good question. The SDK is available as both an installer and a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> zip, and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we could consider make the runtime available as a zip file as
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> well, so
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> please file a JIRA feature request for this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for your other question, it is not currently possible to have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> 2.0.2
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and 2.1 instaled side-by-side.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom Schindl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now that since 2.0.2 (and also 2.1) are redistributeable it might
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> make
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sense to provide them also as simple ZIP-Files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I find it odd that if I want to package JavaFX with my product
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> that I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> first have to install something only my system, navigate to the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> install
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dir and copy over the stuff my own project directory.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it BTW possible to have 2.1 and 2.0.2 installed next to each
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> other? I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> guess not which makes it hard to test with both versions on the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> same
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> system, which would be made much more easy if provided as simple
>>>>>>>>>>> ZIP-Files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would you mind providing JavaFX 2.1 binaries (and maybe also >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> 2.0.2) as
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a simple zip-File like you do it with 2.1 OS-X ones?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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