No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?

Jose Martinez jmartine_1026 at yahoo.com
Tue Oct 9 08:26:12 PDT 2012 

My main concern is desktop and not mobile.  There are limited resources working on JFX so I need to speak up to nudge those resources towards the things that matter to me and that's desktop and browser games.  Sounds like I might be in the minority here.

If I am forced to find a pro for mobile support then I would say that having mobile support makes the community bigger and happier and keeps JFX vibrant in that sense.  And also JFX on mobile will increase the likelihood of utilizing my JFX experience to work for a company doing mobile apps.

As far as direction, I would ask that JFX really make a push for desktop/browser gaming.... I'm being bias here.

thanks 
jose


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 From: Knut Arne Vedaa <knut.arne.vedaa at broadpark.no>
To: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?
 
I agree 100% with the general sentiment. Not supporting JavaFX on these 
devices, if it is technically possible, would be an incredibly stupid 
decision.

But I guess we're preaching to the choir here.


Knut Arne Vedaa


On 09.10.2012 16:01, Daniel Zwolenski wrote:
> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=10623319#10623319
>
> Community minus 1 from me if this issue goes the way it's going. The make or break issue has always been and will always be deployment and that includes desktop and mobile. After a year or two making noise about this we're going backwards.
>
> Anyone remember why Java became so popular? Remember write-once-run-anywhere? Now it's write once, go through as much build hassles as an old fashioned c++ app for each platform (and variant) and run on even less platforms than c++ will work on.
>
> Can't decide if I'm more frustrated, angry or sad.
>
>
>
> On 09/10/2012, at 10:25 PM, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
>
>> There are two steps to go:
>>
>> 1. Porting Prism/glass to iOS
>> 2. use AOT compiler
>>
>> Both steps were finished in 2011 yet (http://java.dzone.com/articles/javaone-2011-javafx-20)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 09.10.2012 um 13:11 schrieb Peter Pilgrim <peter.pilgrim at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On the other hand, the whole of JavaFX is going to be open sourced by 2013.
>>> So what it stopping someone porting the lower architecture to iOS?
>>> Therefore one strategy is to wait until the open source is there and
>>> then port it and write the bridging layer between Java and native
>>> Apple libraries, which I guess would be Objective C. I don't know
>>> really. Of course, that would require expertise in Apple native
>>> libraries. Nevertheless it can be done by somebody. The hard part is
>>> bundling a JRE into a form that can run in iOS app store, and also the
>>> pass by the gatekeeper.
>>>
>>> On 9 October 2012 01:23, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
>>>> John, many thanks for your post! I absolutely agree with you. JavaFX without real(!) crossplatform support on the major platforms is an absolutely MUST HAVE. I can't understand Oracles point of view ("we don't know if developers and companies have a real interested in JavaFX2 on mobile) too - that's unbelievable!
>>>>
>>>> John, please write to Richard Bair, he wants to know our opinion about this topic!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Tobi
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 10:18 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tobi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I realise it's not an official Oracle statement but that's part of the
>>>>> problem; Oracle didn't make an official statement on this at JavaOne when I
>>>>> suspect many people were hoping for one.  In fact, I seem to remember a
>>>>> session titled something like "JavaFX on iOS" was being tossed around for
>>>>> possible inclusion in this year's JavaOne some time ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's blatantly clear that Java developers *crave* JavaFX on mobiles and yet
>>>>> Oracle are waiting for clear commercial interest to justify such support?
>>>>> As has been pointed out several times, JavaFX cannot be considered a success
>>>>> if it is limited to the scope of the desktop and perhaps some embedded
>>>>> devices.  Many predict that the PC in its current form will largely
>>>>> disappear in the next 5 years so where would that leave JavaFX?
>>>>>
>>>>> Java developers are largely passionate about their language and do not want
>>>>> to learn Objective C or C# or whatever language is required on each device.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion, being able to code in Java and deploy to Windows, Linux,
>>>>> MacOS, iOS, Android, Metro etc. could propel JavaFX to amazing heights as
>>>>> the best platform for client side software development on the planet.
>>>>> Please Oracle, don't miss this enormous opportunity!  What do we have to do
>>>>> to convince you that this REALLY IS A GOOD IDEA?
>>>>>
>>>>> -jct
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Tobias Bley [mailto:tobi at ultramixer.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:10
>>>>> To: John C. Turnbull
>>>>> Cc: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> first of all: that's not an official press release of Oracle...
>>>>>
>>>>> second: please take part of the current discussion on JavaFX forum about
>>>>> "JavaFX on iOS, Android and Windows 8":
>>>>> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2448461&tstart=0
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Bair there asked for developers and companies who have a real
>>>>> (commercial) interested in using JavaFX on iOS.... So please please write
>>>>> Richard an email to show him your real interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>
>>>>> blog.software4java.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 08:24 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't have the pleasure of being at JavaOne but in a blog by Lucas
>>>>>> Jellema (and retweeted by Nicolas Lorain) the following is stated:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "JavaFX is no longer intended for use on SmartPhones. The iPhone,
>>>>>> Android and Windows Mobile phones are provided by the respective
>>>>>> platforms, there is no room there for JavaFX. JavaFX is targeted at
>>>>>> the desktop to replace Swing and at smaller devices that run embedded
>>>>> Java."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is extremely disappointing especially after having seen demos of
>>>>>> JavaFX running on iOS and Android devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone explain why this decision has been made?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jct
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> **Java Champion**,
>>> Java EE Software Development / Design / Architect for financial
>>> services, London, UK
>>>
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>>>
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>>
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