Packaging Application Metadata

[Danno Ferrin]

A properly configured MSI fits the automatic and invisible standard. I
don't know if we have the hooks in the current deployment code to properly
configure it (there is some GUID magic I am not familiar enough with).  But
to get truly automatic and invisible I would expec that we would have to
play by the platform's rules.  (DEBs and RPMs also if put in a proper repo
are fairly quiet and automatic).

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Mark Fortner <phidias51 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Deployment in the enterprise tends to be a little different than
> deployment to a consumer. You have a more controlled environment, and the
> less you have to deploy the better. You don't want to push a new JRE each
> time and you don't want to constantly push dependencies. You can usually
> find a target box to test on, but you don't want to have to configure and
> install a series of VMs to build on all those platforms.
>
> Also you tend to do a rapid update cycle. New deployments every couple of
> weeks. You don't want your users having to run installers that frequently.
> Updates should be as automated and as invisible as possible.
>
> Mark
> On Apr 11, 2013 8:13 AM, "Danno Ferrin" <danno.ferrin at shemnon.com> wrote:
>
>> Hare to be a WORA basher, but you shouldn't be building and deploying
>> packages on platforms you don't have one to test on.  So I don't see the
>> requirement of packaging on the platform you are testing on to be an
>> impediment.  As it stands, you must build iOS apps on a Mac and there are
>> some deeply embedded code signing reasons why that won't ever be (legally)
>> overcome.  Mac apps a little less so, unless you want to put it on the Mac
>> App Store.  (Same with Win 8, Ubuntu and RasPi seem to be the outliers,
>> although making a deb on a non Unix platform is a trip).   The vendor lock
>> in is not in the packaging but the store.
>>
>> Coloring my view is the fact that I have also become a huge advocate of
>> bring your own runtime, because the update releases are not all bug
>> compatible.  And to bring your own runtime cross-compilation is often more
>> difficult than firing up the build script on three different (virtual)
>> machines.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Mark Fortner <phidias51 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Creating installers is not really the issue. Izpack will let you do that
>>> as
>>> part of a maven build. The real issue is creating an artifact that is
>>> runnable regardless of the platform. Either a native artifact, or a
>>> universal artifact. If it's a native artifact we need to be able to build
>>> it even though we don't have the target platform installed. Something
>>> which
>>> currently seems to be beyond our reach.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> On Apr 11, 2013 4:51 AM, "Pedro Duque Vieira" <
>>> pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yeah.. I forgot to mention. I can generate all this installers (Mac OS,
>>> > Windows and Linux) from my windows machine.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >  On Apr 11, 2013 6:07 AM, "Mark Howe" <mark.howe at oracle.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Thanks for the info, just curious does it matter which platform you
>>> are
>>> > > on, i.e. can you do all 3 from any of the 3 platforms?
>>> > >
>>> > > On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Pedro Duque Vieira wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hi Daniel,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > It generates dmg for Mac OS, ".sh" for unix and exe installers for
>>> > > windows.
>>> > > > In this tool you can generate Mac OS and windows installers that
>>> are
>>> > self
>>> > > > contained regarding the jre, i.e. no explicit installation of java
>>> is
>>> > > > required by the user, it is packaged with the installation file and
>>> > > > installed automatically. Only the Linux installers are incapable of
>>> > being
>>> > > > self contained.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I don't know how they do it, all I can say is that it works.
>>> > > > They've been kind enough to offer me a free license for my free
>>> > software.
>>> > > > It's available for download in the download section of the site:
>>> > > > http://modellus.co/ if you want to check them out.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The mac version seems to be a little buggy (have to see if I can
>>> get
>>> > more
>>> > > > time to fix it) but I guess that is related to problems with the
>>> Mac OS
>>> > > JRE
>>> > > > rather than with the install4j tool.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Cheers,
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <
>>> zonski at gmail.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> How do they legally manage to do this and if they are doing it,
>>> why
>>> > > won't
>>> > > >> Oracle?
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> http://resources.ej-technologies.com/install4j/help/doc/indexRedirect.html?http&&&resources.ej-technologies.com/install4j/help/doc/jreDownload.html
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> (this note is suspicious: Note: JRE bundles are not supported on
>>> Mac
>>> > OS
>>> > > X
>>> > > >> for both technical and legal reasons.)
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Daniel Zwolenski <
>>> zonski at gmail.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>> Using install4j you are able to produce all the deployment
>>> bundles
>>> > > (msi,
>>> > > >>> rpgs, etc) for all the various platforms (windows, mac, etc) on
>>> one
>>> > > >>> development platform (e.g. on windows or on mac)?
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> If so I'd be keen to look at what they are doing and how they are
>>> > doing
>>> > > >>> it.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Pedro Duque Vieira <
>>> > > >>> pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>> I use install4j to great effect for deploying to Linux, Mac and
>>> > > Windows.
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> I find it is a nice tool to use with a GUI to select through the
>>> > > several
>>> > > >>>> options you want like icons, jar dependencies, jre, download
>>> jre on
>>> > > >>>> demand
>>> > > >>>> or having the jre inside the instalation file, splash screen,
>>> etc..
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> The only issue is that it is a proprietary payed tool, perhaps
>>> > Oracle
>>> > > >>>> could
>>> > > >>>> create something like this.
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> My 2 cents, cheers,
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> --
>>> > > >>>> Pedro Duque Vieira
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Pedro Duque Vieira
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> There is nothing that will hold me back.  I know who I am....
>> I remember wher I came from, and I feel stronger for knowing.
>> Zane, Ninja of Ice.  Ninjago S01E07
>>
>


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I remember wher I came from, and I feel stronger for knowing.
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