Metro apps

[Nicolas Lorain]

As mentioned previously, JDK 7 (including JavaFX) is supported in 
Windows 8 Classic. Our next goal will be to add support for the Windows 
8 "modern UI" (aka Metro), most likely in a JDK 8 update release 
(adoption of Windows 8 in the enterprise is expected to be slow).

To my knowledge, you can only submit an app to the Windows store if it 
uses the Windows 8 modern UI API, so mimicking the modern UI for an app 
running on Windows 8 Classic will not make the cut.

As for Windows RT support, based on the recent survey we have run and 
some common sense (most developers are not going to target Windows RT 
until it gets traction in the market place or unless they have secured a 
customer who has committed to Windows RT), this would have a lower level 
of priority than support for iOS and Android.

Nicolas


On 1/3/13 4:19 AM, Pedro Duque Vieira wrote:
> Lately my messages have been ignored on this mailing list by the javafx
> team members. Although this is very frustrating I do understand that the
> answers might not be obvious or that time is not your side.
>
> This question is of particular importance to me because I've been creating
> a metro like look and feel for JavaFX called JMetro and without guidance or
> knowledge of what the future may hold I might suspend further development
> till things get more clear.
> Don't take this as a rant but rather as a logical decision given the state
> of things (not knowing the plans of javafx on windows 8/ windows rt).
>
> Thanks, best regards,
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Pedro Duque Vieira <
> pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bring back this topic, since it hasn't yet had any response from javafx
>> team.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> All good questions that I'd also like to see answered at some point.
>>>
>>> Regarding jfx apps in the windows store, my initial investigation into
>>> this is it should be legally and technically fine (I am no lawyer, blah,
>>> blah, blah) and potentially quite easy.
>>>
>>> Supporting this via the JFX maven plugin (so you'd do a mvn
>>> jfx:build-win-app-store and potentially a similar deploy version that did
>>> the upload for you) is about 4th or 5th on my todo list, which possibly
>>> means around feb. If anyone wants to help on this front it could be sooner
>>> - just shout out.
>>>
>>> Priority #1 for me though is to get the jfx packaging tools building and
>>> deployed into maven central. From that, everything else flows.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27/12/2012, at 12:05 PM, Pedro Duque Vieira <
>>> pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> To do an app that has a "metro-style" UI could well just be a case of
>>>> skinning things differently and adding some new controls but this would
>>>> really only work on normal Windows (I think Windows 8 will run Java but
>>>> in compatibility mode). To actually run a "metro-style" app on Windows RT
>>>> (MS's new OS for ultra-portable computers) I think requires a port of the
>>>> JDK and JFX to that platform.
>>>
>>> Not just run on Windows RT but also on Windows 8.
>>>
>>> If compatibility mode is the only viable option for now we could still
>>> emulate the metro style on that mode, although I haven't thought whether
>>> that would be of value.
>>>
>>>   There are a bunch of technical challenges with such a port I believe
>>>> (e.g. RT is heavily sand-boxed from the looks of it).
>>> I'm not sure but I think RT only allows for AOT like ios devices. So this
>>> falls under the "run javafx on tablets and mobiles" issue which Oracle
>>> doesn't want to disclose any more info about.
>>>   But we also still have windows 8.
>>>
>>> One other question I have is whether it is possible to sell java apps on
>>> the windows store.
>>>
>>> So, in conclusion:
>>>
>>>     1. Will java apps ever run through the Start screen of windows 8 /
>>>     windows RT (we probably won't get any answer for now on this..)
>>>     2. For now we can run Java on Windows 8 Desktop. Is emulating a metro
>>>     style app, on that mode, a good idea?
>>>        1. If it is a good idea how would we go about doing it? Are there
>>>        any system calls we can make to bring up things like the app toolbar or do
>>>        we hand code that? What about the platforms standard animations and other
>>>        stuff?
>>>     3. Is it now possible to sell javafx apps on the windows store? If
>>>     not, will it be possible on the future?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Cheers,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> This was also asked somewhat in that massive 'mobile' thread on the OTN
>>>> forum:
>>>> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=10708891#10708891
>>>>
>>>> No response but perhaps it got lost in all the noise on that thread.
>>>>
>>>> jsmith gives some good info on the difference between Windows Metro,
>>>> Windows 8 and Windows RT. It's worth getting clear on the terminology since
>>>> it's all very messy thanks to some MS branding issues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if someone from Oracle could clarify all this, but
>>>> given the xmas break I think things are a little quiet at the moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Pedro Duque Vieira <
>>>> pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm asking this (below) because while doing a metro version of javafx
>>>>> controls in my project JMetro, I wonder how things like the app toolbar
>>>>> will be implemented, if the javafx team is already doing it and if not
>>>>> how
>>>>> should I go about doing it..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Pedro Duque Vieira <
>>>>> pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you going to support Metro apps? That is, with all that implies:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     1. Different type of interface
>>>>>>        1. full window
>>>>>>        2. app toolbar
>>>>>>        3. charms toolbar
>>>>>>        4. tile API: show images on start screen inside tile,
>>>>>>        notifications, etc
>>>>>>        5. metro animations
>>>>>>        6. etc
>>>>>>     2. If so (answer to 1 is yes), than how are you going to implement
>>>>>>     that? Will you code javafx versions of things like the app toolbar
>>>>> or are
>>>>>>     you going to rely on system calls to make this stuff show up?
>>>>> (don't know
>>>>>>     if the later option exists or is possible)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Pedro Duque Vieira
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Pedro Duque Vieira
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pedro Duque Vieira
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Pedro Duque Vieira
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