Drag/drop cursors

[Pavel Safrata]

Hi Werner,
I'm sorry for the delay. You understand the gestures correctly. As I 
tried to explain earlier, the DnD cursors should not be used for non-DnD 
operation and it is not supported rather intentionally. It looks like 
some operating systems follow this reasoning as well. For instance, look 
at this page, it seems that on Windows we wouldn't have access to those 
cursors even if we wanted to provide them:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms648391%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

If you have something to copy/move/link, you may consider using DnD, it 
may not be that out of place. Note that it might fit best to pass 
references to the intra-app gesture which is unfortunately not supported 
yet ( https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-29082 ) but it can be 
easily worked around.

Thanks,
Pavel

On 26.4.2013 11:29, Werner Lehmann wrote:
> Hi Pavel,
>
> actually I would prefer the cursors to show automatically. According 
> to the MouseEvent JavaDoc there are 3 different drag/drop modes:
>
> 1. Simple press drag and release.
> 2. Full press drag and release.
> 3. Platform-supported drag-and-drop.
>
> I am using the 1st for node move/resize. Here I change the cursor to 
> one of the *_SIZE cursors. Cursor mapping is incorrect on Mac but that 
> is a known and Lombard-fixed bug - other than that it works fine.
>
> To drag a node from a toolbar into a workspace I would go with the 2nd 
> mode (startFullDrag in onDragDetected). This one does not change the 
> cursor automatically, and this is what I am asking about.
>
> The third mode does change the cursor but it seems a bit inappropriate 
> for node drags within the same scene.
>
> Maybe I am missing a step? The tutorial [1] is about platform 
> drag/drop only... Also, a drag-image would be nice but that seems to 
> exist for platfrom drag/drop only, in Lombard only (except for a 
> workaound like [2] which also does not solve the cursor 
> deny/copy/move/link problem).
>
> Rgds
> Werner
>
> [1] http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/drag_drop/jfxpub-drag_drop.htm
> [2] 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13624491/implement-drag-and-drop-like-in-scene-builder
>
>
>
> On 25.04.2013 17:36, Pavel Safrata wrote:
>> Hi Werner,
>> the cursors you mention should appear automatically during drag-and-drop
>> operation. I think they should not be used manually elsewhere because
>> they are visually informing user about an ongoing drag-and-drop
>> operation and using them at different times would be confusing. During a
>> drag-and-drop operation the system is in a special mode with inner event
>> loop, temporarily holding the dragged data, blocking many other
>> features, and the well-known cursors make this clear to the user.
>>
>> If the cursors don't work for you during DnD, please file a bug. If you
>> still think you need the cursors for your mouse events (which I tried to
>> explain is a discouraged pattern), you can file feature request and see
>> if it is approved (and even technically possible on all platforms).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pavel
>>
>> On 25.4.2013 17:08, Werner Lehmann wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am missing typical cursors during drag/drop, e.g. a deny, add, move,
>>> link cursor. Apparently those are not supported in
>>> javafx.scene.Cursor. How would this be solved in a
>>> platform-independent way?
>>>
>>> Best option currently seems to be: use the default cursor, and show
>>> some tooltip/popup or unmanaged node below the cursor position to
>>> indicate the drop effect to the user. Not really optimal...
>>>
>>> I could also use my own drag cursors but they would not fit into all
>>> sets of cursors on the supported platforms. If there was at least a
>>> way to get an image of the default cursor - then it could be
>>> "enhanced" with a small overlay. But that does not seem feasible 
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Werner