JavaFX 2 + with LWJGL ( OpenGL )

[Tom Schindl]

There is a talk from Felipe and Steve at J1 last year how to embed OpenGL into FX using *internal* API!

Search for it on parleys - this does not help you on Win32 which uses directx instead of javafx. BTW there are people doing a JOGL pipeline 
https://bitbucket.org/dejayberlin/joglfxpipeline/src!

Tom
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 06.04.2014 um 17:25 schrieb Exo Verse <toraktu at gmail.com>:
> 
> Yea its a shame that using JavaFX as an option along with OpenGL wasn't
> even thought of to begin with. I don't understand why they limit you like
> they do. Them trying to recreate the wheel and make their own version of a
> 3D interface is just plain stupid if it can't run low level. I can see 2D
> games and applications with a LOT of usage for JavaFX and its 2D graphics
> API. But True 3D needs low level other wise its a waste of time.
> 
> Well, thanks for the replies. Guess I'll have to stick with using other
> sources for my GUI. It's just that I like JavaFX version of its GUI because
> it is so simple to use. But not worth it if you can't use it for the reason
> that we the people need it for. Like in my case, game dev.
> 
> Cheers.
> Torak
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Philipp Dörfler <phdoerfler at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> It is not possible to combine JavaFX and OpenGL as it is right now. This
>> was discussed on this mailing list some time before as a _possible_ future
>> addition, but I'd be very surprised if Oracle actually chose to implement
>> this.
>> 
>> Starting with JavaFX 8 there is indeed some kind of "3D support" but the
>> 3D API allows only for the most basic operations. It is still completely
>> scene graph based and you have to live with all restrictions that JavaFX
>> imposes on you. Not wanting to say that the 3D API is completely useless,
>> but I'm afraid that even WPF is more flexible when it comes to 3D than
>> JavaFX is. For example: As far as I know you can not even change the
>> shading model from GL_SMOOTH to GL_FLAT. You could work around that by
>> setting the normals yourself though (Same for WPF). Also render quality is
>> bad when you render an instance of Text in 3D and scale it down for
>> example. At least it was when I tried that last time (few months ago).
>> 
>> Again, not to say that one can't work with JavaFX's 3D API, but it's not
>> raw OpenGL either. As far as I know the JavaFX team wants to be able to let
>> the user use his own OpenGL context and let JavaFX render on top of that or
>> add the possibility to ask JavaFX for the underlying context and mess with
>> that but this is not even officially planned or included on any roadmap
>> (AFAIK) so we can only keep our fingers crossed for that to happen. Like
>> you I would absolutely LOVE to use JavaFX as a GUI on top of my OpenGL
>> games.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Philipp Dörfler
>> 
>>> Am 06.04.2014 um 16:31 schrieb Exo Verse <toraktu at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Can you please explain what True 3D means in terms of Low Level API ?
>>> Because with LWJGL I can use Low Level API to talk directly to my Video
>>> Card. As a game dev, I need every ounce of umph from the card I can get,
>>> and using a browser or any other kind of wrapper hasn't proven very
>>> efficient. I love LWJGL because of its simplicity. Anything extra I
>> need, I
>>> am allowed to make on my own. Example, my own Game Engine.
>>> 
>>> And that is where I am at. So if your speaking about Nodes, I am aware
>>> there is a hierarchy to the JavaFX2 when setting up the GUI, but that is
>>> the only thing I knew existed. Could you please elaborate what makes
>>> JavaFX8 a True 3D Low Level interface API ? Because from the
>> presentation,
>>> you have to go through two layers before you have to get to the OpenGL
>>> layer. Where as if I can use LWJGL, I can skip a level.
>>> 
>>> If I am misinformed on something, please, explain. Because I am new to
>>> JavaFX.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Torak
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Hervé Girod <herve.girod at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> With Java 8 (JavaFX 8), you now have true 3D Nodes, with camera,
>>>> texturing, etc... However it would still be very interesting to be able
>> to
>>>> control the low-level rendering of JavaFX, such as using LWJGL for
>> example.
>>>> This would allow to render JavaFx content in an external OpenGL context
>> for
>>>> example.
>>>> 
>>>> Hervé
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 avr. 2014, at 14:42, Exo Verse <toraktu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, I have been working with OpenGL and LWJGL for over 5 years now.
>> I
>>>>> want to switch over to using JavaFX 2, because of its GUI abilities and
>>>>> still use LWJGL with it. But I can't seem to find a way to do this. I
>>>> saw a
>>>>> 2 hour video that described the features of JavaFX 2 and it even shown
>>>> the
>>>>> layout..  OpenGL was there at the bottom with D3D with Prism above both
>>>> of
>>>>> them in the hierarchy. I have searched the web and I can't find prism,
>> I
>>>>> can't find info on how to talk to opengl and I can't find any tutorials
>>>>> anywhere. So I am posting here to see what I can find. I do NOT like
>>>> JOGL.
>>>>> I prefer LWJGL. So far, the only thing related to 3D with regards to
>>>> JavaFX
>>>>> is the very resource intensive Canvas3D, which I can't stand. Any
>> ideas ?
>>>>> Is it not implemented yet and its on its way ? I'm trying to find any
>>>> info
>>>>> I can about this. If there is nothing for LWJGL, then I can't use
>> JavaFX.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Torak
>> 
>>