JavaFX 2 + with LWJGL ( OpenGL )

Sun Apr 6 16:41:41 UTC 2014

Yea the OpenGL comes with your graphics drivers for your video card. So
your correct that it doesn't ship with JavaFX. What I have been going on
about is trying to find a way to use JavaFX with LWJGL. In case you are
unaware, LWJGL just means "Light Weight Java OpenGL" and its a wrapper for
the OpenGL API. It's an alternative to JOGL.

On another note, as I did a search, Thanks to Tom showing me that link I
examined that code and I found something of interest in the JOGL code
interface..  well it lead me to a google search, and viola..  LWJGL with
JavaFX. :)

LINK :
https://github.com/Spasi/LWJGL-FX

So just wanted to post the link here and say thanks for all of your help. :)

Cheers,
Torak

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Tom Schindl <tom.schindl at bestsolution.at>wrote:

> JavaFX does not ship OpenGL binaries on windows you have to build it your
> own.
>
> Please note:
> a) if there are people who manage to write a prism pipeline on jogl why
> should you not be able to do the same with lwjgl?
> b) the talk i mentionned from felipe and steve show how to get access to
> the native OpenGL context and there from you can use any API you like can't
> remember which one they used
>
> Tom
>
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>
> > Am 06.04.2014 um 18:18 schrieb Exo Verse <toraktu at gmail.com>:
> >
> > Thanks, but as I mentioned in my original post, I don't like JOGL. It
> > doesn't work with my setup. I use LWJGL because its only about the OpenGL
> > and not other libraries, and its an easy API wrapper to use. There are
> many
> > many reason I hate JOGL.. but this thread is not about hating on JOGL,
> its
> > about finding a way to use LWJGL with JavaFX2+.
> >
> > Also, Win32 API calls can use both DirectX and OpenGL APIs. And it
> doesn't
> > matter what Windows OS you're using. I have tested this out from Windows
> XP
> > all the way to Windows 7 - 32/64 Bit with no problem.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Torak
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Tom Schindl <
> tom.schindl at bestsolution.at>wrote:
> >
> >> There is a talk from Felipe and Steve at J1 last year how to embed
> OpenGL
> >> into FX using *internal* API!
> >>
> >> Search for it on parleys - this does not help you on Win32 which uses
> >> directx instead of javafx. BTW there are people doing a JOGL pipeline
> >> https://bitbucket.org/dejayberlin/joglfxpipeline/src!
> >>
> >> Tom
> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> >>
> >>> Am 06.04.2014 um 17:25 schrieb Exo Verse <toraktu at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> Yea its a shame that using JavaFX as an option along with OpenGL wasn't
> >>> even thought of to begin with. I don't understand why they limit you
> like
> >>> they do. Them trying to recreate the wheel and make their own version
> of
> >> a
> >>> 3D interface is just plain stupid if it can't run low level. I can see
> 2D
> >>> games and applications with a LOT of usage for JavaFX and its 2D
> graphics
> >>> API. But True 3D needs low level other wise its a waste of time.
> >>>
> >>> Well, thanks for the replies. Guess I'll have to stick with using other
> >>> sources for my GUI. It's just that I like JavaFX version of its GUI
> >> because
> >>> it is so simple to use. But not worth it if you can't use it for the
> >> reason
> >>> that we the people need it for. Like in my case, game dev.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers.
> >>> Torak
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Philipp Dörfler <phdoerfler at gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It is not possible to combine JavaFX and OpenGL as it is right now.
> This
> >>>> was discussed on this mailing list some time before as a _possible_
> >> future
> >>>> addition, but I'd be very surprised if Oracle actually chose to
> >> implement
> >>>> this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Starting with JavaFX 8 there is indeed some kind of "3D support" but
> the
> >>>> 3D API allows only for the most basic operations. It is still
> completely
> >>>> scene graph based and you have to live with all restrictions that
> JavaFX
> >>>> imposes on you. Not wanting to say that the 3D API is completely
> >> useless,
> >>>> but I'm afraid that even WPF is more flexible when it comes to 3D than
> >>>> JavaFX is. For example: As far as I know you can not even change the
> >>>> shading model from GL_SMOOTH to GL_FLAT. You could work around that by
> >>>> setting the normals yourself though (Same for WPF). Also render
> quality
> >> is
> >>>> bad when you render an instance of Text in 3D and scale it down for
> >>>> example. At least it was when I tried that last time (few months ago).
> >>>>
> >>>> Again, not to say that one can't work with JavaFX's 3D API, but it's
> not
> >>>> raw OpenGL either. As far as I know the JavaFX team wants to be able
> to
> >> let
> >>>> the user use his own OpenGL context and let JavaFX render on top of
> >> that or
> >>>> add the possibility to ask JavaFX for the underlying context and mess
> >> with
> >>>> that but this is not even officially planned or included on any
> roadmap
> >>>> (AFAIK) so we can only keep our fingers crossed for that to happen.
> Like
> >>>> you I would absolutely LOVE to use JavaFX as a GUI on top of my OpenGL
> >>>> games.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Philipp Dörfler
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am 06.04.2014 um 16:31 schrieb Exo Verse <toraktu at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you please explain what True 3D means in terms of Low Level API ?
> >>>>> Because with LWJGL I can use Low Level API to talk directly to my
> Video
> >>>>> Card. As a game dev, I need every ounce of umph from the card I can
> >> get,
> >>>>> and using a browser or any other kind of wrapper hasn't proven very
> >>>>> efficient. I love LWJGL because of its simplicity. Anything extra I
> >>>> need, I
> >>>>> am allowed to make on my own. Example, my own Game Engine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And that is where I am at. So if your speaking about Nodes, I am
> aware
> >>>>> there is a hierarchy to the JavaFX2 when setting up the GUI, but that
> >> is
> >>>>> the only thing I knew existed. Could you please elaborate what makes
> >>>>> JavaFX8 a True 3D Low Level interface API ? Because from the
> >>>> presentation,
> >>>>> you have to go through two layers before you have to get to the
> OpenGL
> >>>>> layer. Where as if I can use LWJGL, I can skip a level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I am misinformed on something, please, explain. Because I am new
> to
> >>>>> JavaFX.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Torak
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Hervé Girod <herve.girod at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> With Java 8 (JavaFX 8), you now have true 3D Nodes, with camera,
> >>>>>> texturing, etc... However it would still be very interesting to be
> >> able
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> control the low-level rendering of JavaFX, such as using LWJGL for
> >>>> example.
> >>>>>> This would allow to render JavaFx content in an external OpenGL
> >> context
> >>>> for
> >>>>>> example.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hervé
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 6 avr. 2014, at 14:42, Exo Verse <toraktu at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello, I have been working with OpenGL and LWJGL for over 5 years
> >> now.
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>> want to switch over to using JavaFX 2, because of its GUI abilities
> >> and
> >>>>>>> still use LWJGL with it. But I can't seem to find a way to do
> this. I
> >>>>>> saw a
> >>>>>>> 2 hour video that described the features of JavaFX 2 and it even
> >> shown
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> layout..  OpenGL was there at the bottom with D3D with Prism above
> >> both
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> them in the hierarchy. I have searched the web and I can't find
> >> prism,
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>> can't find info on how to talk to opengl and I can't find any
> >> tutorials
> >>>>>>> anywhere. So I am posting here to see what I can find. I do NOT
> like
> >>>>>> JOGL.
> >>>>>>> I prefer LWJGL. So far, the only thing related to 3D with regards
> to
> >>>>>> JavaFX
> >>>>>>> is the very resource intensive Canvas3D, which I can't stand. Any
> >>>> ideas ?
> >>>>>>> Is it not implemented yet and its on its way ? I'm trying to find
> any
> >>>>>> info
> >>>>>>> I can about this. If there is nothing for LWJGL, then I can't use
> >>>> JavaFX.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Torak
> >>
>