Future of JavaFX

[Peter Pilgrim]

Hi All

I find it remarkable to see that this debate about
innovation-versus-maintenance is similar to the one going on in the
Java EE space. See
https://java.net/projects/javaee-spec/lists/users/archive/2015-01/message/48
- Many Java EE experts, including myself, are now looking at the
application servers and the ability to modularise the EE
specification, so that we can just launch an application with `java
-jar acme.jar'. Of course, we are already wrong about that command
line option, because the JDK 9 will be a game changer.

Anyway, Shai, has some valid interesting assertions in his blog entry.
I don't think it is all FUD in the way that Microsoft used to secretly
push in their strategic vision to conquer the desktop world. I do
believe that his evidence shows how weak OTHER developers view Java
client side technologies. JavaFX has not set the world on fire and has
been the vision that I saw at the first presentation in JavaOne 2007.

But that was yesterday, 8 years ago in fact. I lot of mistakes were
made, and the vision could have better. We all had to follow the
education and the learning path. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, a lot
of us though scripting languages were exciting back then. We should
have started with an all Java API solution in the first place, but
there you go...

Donald  said the JavaFX is 100% open source, so what is the real
issue. We have the code, go and build.

Alexander, I downloaded your JavaOne presentation, I went through it
last night. It is good stuff with all of those 11 business enterprise
applications. Why are these applications not good enough to show
adoption?

Last year, 2014, I watch a JavaFX talk at JavaOne on a financial
trading system written in JavaFX (CelerFX or something). What gives
here?

I am definitely a Java EE guy these days ever since I wrote two books,
but you fellows need to step up, I think, promote FX more strongly
yourselves. I know that Nandini (who is now at Twitter) pushed a FX
show case a couple times in the past, first for JavaFX 1.0 and then
1.2. Jim did with blog and is still going at Pivotal. Guys you need to
do more videos, screen captures and more talks. If the popular Java
conferences don't take you on, then f*** e* and host your own video
shows like Adam Bien. Build some excitement about what your have done
with FX in your applications. Grow some con****** and come down with
the attitude.

The good news is that JDK 9 will bring a better deployment story for
Java on the whole. You can have launchers and modules that only your
application require. Perhaps, were the value is.


On 1 December 2015 at 08:21, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembrick at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, it is the official Swing replacement but look at Java 9 and you won't see many if any enhancements to JavaFX.  The point is Oracle has no interest in desktop software other than maintaining any existing support contracts.
>
> I don't even think Oracle wants JavaFX so it would be better for everyone to take ownership of it and build a company purely around JavaFX that's actually profitable and keeps enhancing the product at a much faster pace.
>
>> On 1 Dec 2015, at 19:12, info at cuhka.com wrote:
>>
>> If it is not a part of OpenJDK/Oracle JDK it will not work. Whether Oracle itself maintains the code doesn't really matter I think, but they have to put support and development in it.
>>
>> To me another downside if Oracle would suspend further development is that any statements made by Oracle seem to carry not so much value. If I'm correct JavaFX was presented by Oracle as the Swing replacement. If after a short time they revert from that position, what would that mean for any other statement?
>>
>>
>> Citeren Felix Bembrick <felix.bembrick at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> If JavaFX stays under Oracle control, it will be the same it is today in 5 years. I really doubt they will put another dollar into its expansion and new features.
>>>
>>> How can that be good?
>>>
>>> Plus the company that does take over could provide commercial support as well as training (which Oracle doesn't).
>>
>>



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