Future of JavaFX

[Markus KARG]

Too bad that Github cannot fork mercurial repos. It would be interesting to see the real number of pull requests such a fork would gain. Maybe Dalibor is right and we would end up with zero? ;-)

-Markus

 

From: Tomas Mikula [mailto:tomas.mikula at gmail.com] 
Sent: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2015 23:05
To: Markus KARG
Cc: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
Subject: Re: Future of JavaFX

 

The review process for external contributions does not even have to be different from the internal review process. There can be a virtual organization on GitHub called "Oracle CLA signatories". After a pull request has been reviewed, all that the OpenJFX committer has to do before merging is to check whether the contributor is a member of this organization.

 

Tomas

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Markus KARG <markus at headcrashing.eu> wrote:

We should ask ourselfs whether we want more contributions or not. We will not get them until we change something. Most contributors in the Open Source just want to drop a bug report or a feature or two, and multiplied by the number of those guys, this is a lot of stuff. Only few contributors are willing to stay for long time, and only for those it makes sense to have the complex rules. For example, I do not see why we cannot have a dedicated full time "Community Officer" who simply collects the contributions, reviews it, applies the needed checks and rules and all that instead of asking everybody to follow a complex process? That would ensure the quality, but not for the cost of losing contributors.


-----Original Message-----
From: Hervé Girod [mailto:herve.girod at gmail.com]
Sent: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2015 20:19
To: Markus KARG
Cc: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
Subject: Re: Future of JavaFX

Things are not different for Apache projects. Google does not accept any external contributions. The Linux kernel development is very tightly controlled. We should stop considering that widespread open source policies are only a problem with JavaFX. These policies are in place for a reason.

Hervé

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> On Dec 1, 2015, at 20:13, Markus KARG <markus at headcrashing.eu> wrote:
>
> I wonder why I was able to jointly assign my copyright with a lot of other
> open source projects without having to sign papers, sent them in by fax,
> wait for a written agreement, and pray to get a JIRA account... ;-)
>
> See, I talked to a real lot of former JavaFX contributors in the past weeks
> (visited some European JUGs in 2015), and *virtually everybody* told me that
> he is really unsatisfied with the fact that he cannot directly file to JIRA
> anymore or AT LEAST vote and comment on existing tickets. Is the JavaFX team
> clear about how many contributors you lost by that policy? I really wonder
> whether you see the reality there outside of Oracle. People stopped
> reporting bugs! This is a real problem for JavaFX. You should act. Now.
>
> -Markus
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openjfx-dev [mailto:openjfx-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of
> dalibor topic
> Sent: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2015 19:06
> To: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
> Subject: Re: Future of JavaFX
>
>> On 01.12.2015 18:35, Markus KARG wrote:
>> With respect to TeamFX, the better question is: Are there plans to further
>> open the project so third party has an easier channel to contribute
> without
>> the hazzle of contributor agreements
>
> "Like many other open-source communities, the OpenJDK Community requires
> Contributors to jointly assign their copyright on contributed code." as
> http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/ wisely says.
>
> There is no good reason to change that.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
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