Planning for JavaFX.next

[Jeff Martin]

I’m very excited about Jpro (and awaiting details) - it’s very cool! I still assume deployment is somewhat demanding though, since devs need to provide a virtual CPU and robust network connection for each user. Not as simple as copying a WASM/JS file to a website.

jeff


> On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Tom Eugelink <tbee at tbee.org> wrote:
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> @Jeff: You may find the jpro.io approach interesting for running apps in the webbrowser.
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> Tom
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> On 8-12-2016 15:09, Jeff Martin wrote:
>> Be wary of selection bias <http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2008/01/21/selection-bias-and-bombers/> when asking advice from us on this list. I would advocate a feature based on who *isn’t* using JavaFX: WebAssembly browser support.
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>> JavaFX is great if you need to build a battleship class app - something big and specialized enough that devs don’t mind packaging/signing/deployment issues and users don’t mind downloads and security issues. It’s not as attractive for smaller scale apps. And most battleship class apps start as smaller apps.
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>> With very little resources, I was able to use a JavaFX/Swing based UI kit and TeaVM to build apps that run on the desktop and in the browser. I would think Oracle would be able to nail this with moderate effort - particularly with WebAssembly coming out this year. Hire/buy the TeaVM guy - he’s brilliant.
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>> The JavaFX team has done something like this before: JavaFXPackager - a feature so useful and needed that it became part of the whole system. I’m not sure we need new table features or such. If someone is going to write a spreadsheet, they’d be better off rolling their own super-table, etc.
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>> 	http://reportmill.com/snaptea/BusyBox/
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>> jeff
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>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Jonathan Giles <jonathan.giles at oracle.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi folks,
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>>> Development on JDK 9 is slowly starting to ramp down, and we are starting to turn our attention to the goals for JavaFX in JDK 10 and beyond. We are starting to compile our list of what we think is important, but we really want to hear from the community about what their highest priorities are to them. As always, it's important to keep in mind what JavaFX is (e.g. it isn't aiming to be a high-performance game engine), but even still there are bound to be a number of places where people might want to weigh in, for example:
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>>> * New layout containers (e.g. Flexbox)
>>> * Public APIs for UI control behaviors
>>> * Marlin renderer enabled by default
>>> * Support for CSS animations
>>> * CSS performance improvements
>>> * TableView improvements (cell spanning, row / column freezing, etc)
>>> * TableView performance
>>> * Focus traversal API
>>> * WebGL support in WebView
>>> * Improved image I/O support
>>> * A JavaFX equivalent of the AWT Desktop APIs
>>> * Multi-res image API
>>> * NIO-backed writable images
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>>> If there are other areas of interest that aren't listed here, please start discussing them and we can work together to determine priorities. If all you want to do is add a +1 for one of more of the items above, even that will be very useful.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> -- Jonathan
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