Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?
Felix Bembrick
felix.bembrick at gmail.com
Mon Jun 13 13:02:46 UTC 2016
Are you saying that I have negatively contributed to OpenJFX or JavaFX in general?
I am one of the most vocal, passionate and positive advocates for OpenJFX and JavaFX.
> On 13 Jun 2016, at 22:45, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com> wrote:
>
> Felix,
>
> This is an open source Project's mailing list, specifically for technical discussions of that Project's development. It's not an 'open' forum suitable for discussion of other issues.
>
> Removing participants that continue to abuse the privilege of being on an open source project's mailing list is a useful tool to deal with individuals which contribute negatively to a project, if they don't seem to be able to change their act.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
>> On 13.06.2016 14:11, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>> Dear Dalibor,
>>
>> "This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
>> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
>> specifically."
>>
>> Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised!
>>
>> And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But
>> surely you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you?
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>> On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com
>> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Felix,
>>>
>>> if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so
>>> at https://community.oracle.com/welcome .
>>>
>>> This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
>>> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
>>> specifically.
>>>
>>> On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result
>>> in removal from it without further warning.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> dalibor topic
>>>
>>>> On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>>>> Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.
>>>>
>>>> Only... it wasn't really, was it?
>>>>
>>>> You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".
>>>>
>>>> Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*
>>>>
>>>> Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
>>>> further confusion (hopefully)/*.
>>>>
>>>> */COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
>>>> PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
>>>> ORACLE MARKETS?/*
>>>>
>>>> Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
>>>> words, not mine).
>>>>
>>>> (Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
>>>> abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
>>>> for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
>>>> enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
>>>> hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
>>>> them). That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you
>>>> want that don't you?
>>>>
>>>> See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
>>>> plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!
>>>>
>>>> Am I *still* in the wrong forum?
>>>>
>>>> All my blessings,
>>>>
>>>> Felix
>>>>
>>>> P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com
>>>> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>
>>>> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your
>>>> question:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have considered a career in politics.
>>>>
>>>> That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to
>>>> divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic
>>>> posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you
>>>> attempted to discuss :
>>>>
>>>> * the age of discussion participants,
>>>> * their telephony equipment and
>>>> * career plans,
>>>>
>>>> none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.
>>>>
>>>> Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list
>>>> for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any,
>>>> you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.
>>>>
>>>> As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing
>>>> list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself
>>>> as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of
>>>> bitterness in your posts.
>>>>
>>>> You can change that.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Dalibor Topic
>>>>
>>>> [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access
>>>> to an English language parser. I could translate my original
>>>> question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help.
>>>>
>>>> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is
>>>> devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development". Clearly I was under
>>>> the misapprehension that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.
>>>>
>>>> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some
>>>> clarification.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss
>>>> telephony equipment used by other organisations because such
>>>> information is transparent and clearly indicates belief and
>>>> commitment to their own technologies.
>>>>
>>>> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in
>>>> politics?
>>>>
>>>> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was
>>>> accidental)...
>>>>
>>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic
>>>> <dalibor.topic at oracle.com
>>>> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Felix, unfortunately your original question was not
>>>> parse-able.
>>>>
>>>> Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that,
>>>> please consider that this mailing list is for discussion of
>>>> ongoing OpenJFX development.
>>>>
>>>> If instead you would prefer to discuss something else,
>>>> please do try to find a more suitable venue for discussion
>>>> of such interests. While I can't help you find an adequate
>>>> forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of
>>>> other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a
>>>> better place to do so in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dalibor Topic
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>>>> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick
>>>> <felix.bembrick at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:felix.bembrick at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:felix.bembrick at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original
>>>> question.
>>>>
>>>> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees
>>>> all have Macs on their desktops and carry iPhones and
>>>> iPads around?
>>>>
>>>> No?
>>>>
>>>> Well I bet Apple employees do!
>>>>
>>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic
>>>> <dalibor.topic at oracle.com
>>>> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>
>>>> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely
>>>> used, judging by
>>>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>>>> showing 0 results.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> dalibor topic
>>>>
>>>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>>>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped
>>>> a JMX plugin as a
>>>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part
>>>> of the JRE) in
>>>> <JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this
>>>> plugin stopped prior to JDK
>>>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship
>>>> javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any developers that still use this? We
>>>> haven't seen any bug
>>>> reports or had questions on it for quite a
>>>> while. I note that this jar
>>>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111
>>>> and we are trying to
>>>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>>>>
>>>> Our options are:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling
>>>> support
>>>>
>>>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file,
>>>> meaning that any use would
>>>> require command line qualified exports to be
>>>> added since it uses
>>>> internal packages
>>>>
>>>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module,
>>>> javafx.jmx; it would not be
>>>> one of the default modules, so it would need to
>>>> be added with -addmods.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work,
>>>> and given that it isn't
>>>> being actively maintained, might be a viable
>>>> solution. If we do need to
>>>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3,
>>>> while still preserving
>>>> the ability for developers to use it. This is
>>>> only used for tooling, so
>>>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for
>>>> Robot and
>>>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we
>>>> probably will deprecate
>>>> it with the intention to remove it in a future
>>>> release.
>>>>
>>>> -- Kevin
>>>>
>>>>
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