Is JavaFX going to truly be a community project?

[Julian Jupiter]

Not sure if the term "drop" is correct. But, with what Oracle did, it would
be more beneficial for JavaFX. The development has been more open;
encouraging more contributors.

Julez

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 9:55 PM Pedro Duque Vieira, <
pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, just a site with code on github would be enough, for example. Without
> any publicity or endorsement to any particular company.
>
> Jfxtras does this: http://jfxtras.org/ and the code of the site is on
> github repository: https://github.com/JFXtras/jfxtras.github.com
>
> Outside of this, Gluon can still offer consultancy, payed support for
> javafx, javafx based products, etc.
>
> I think this is the type of decisions that should be discussed among the
> community before any action is taken.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 2:05 PM Werner Van Belle <werner at yellowcouch.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Just put it on github and let people fork it however they want.
> > That would be "open".
> >
> > Werner,-
> >
> > PS: I _am_ seriously pissed at Oracle about this shit. I spend the last
> > years specializing in their newest technology 'which they would never
> > ever drop' and now they just drop it.
> >
> > On Sat, 2018-09-01 at 22:38 +1000, John-Val Rose wrote:
> > > Hi Pedro,
> > >
> > > I just happen to agree with you in this issue.
> > >
> > > But, out of all the possible new custodians of JavaFX, I have to say
> > > that I am always in awe of what Johan and Gluon have already
> > > contributed and accomplished.
> > >
> > > So how do we ensue that OpenJFX is truly “open”?
> > >
> > > I agree that even though Gluon are doing a fantastic job, JavaFX
> > > should not be a “Gluon product”.
> > >
> > > I think it’s a great move for Oracle to basically relinquish control
> > > of JavaFX - but to whom?
> > >
> > > I’m not familiar enough with FOSS projects to offer any sage advice
> > > but I totally agree that a “community” project has to be as open to
> > > everyone as possible and no person or entity should have a commercial
> > > advantage over others.
> > >
> > > So, basically I like your question, I don’t believe the current
> > > scenario is satisfactory but unfortunately I confess I can’t offer
> > > any suggestions of better scenarios.
> > >
> > > Graciously,
> > >
> > > John-Val Rose
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On 1 Sep 2018, at 22:00, Pedro Duque Vieira <pedro.duquevieira at gmai
> > > > l.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > For JavaFX to start being, truly, a community project it is
> > > > important that
> > > > it is perceived as a real community effort. Right now it's starting
> > > > to look
> > > > more like it's changing hands, from being an Oracle project to
> > > > being a
> > > > Gluon project.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have anything against Gluon, I'd say the same if for
> > > > instance,
> > > > instead of Gluon it was JPro or Karakun, or whatever...
> > > >
> > > > Hosting the JavaFX docs, builds, installations, etc on a company
> > > > owned site
> > > > or a company endorsed site sounds like a really bad idea. Which is
> > > > what's
> > > > happening right now. If it's to be a community project it should be
> > > > owned
> > > > by the community as a whole. As well as being perceived to be owned
> > > > by the
> > > > community as a whole.
> > > >
> > > > Being a one company project will deter the contributions of other
> > > > players
> > > > in the JavaFX space. Other players that also offer consultancy
> > > > services,
> > > > and JavaFX products will have a big disadvantage towards the
> > > > company
> > > > hosting the JavaFX assets and downloads. At the very minimum think
> > > > about
> > > > the huge advantage this company will have in publicity when
> > > > compared to the
> > > > others.
> > > >
> > > > A community project is a project where various players join efforts
> > > > to
> > > > mutually benefit each other. As soon as this starts being a project
> > > > that's
> > > > benefiting one particular company more than the others it ceases to
> > > > be a
> > > > community project.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that anyone would like to join in on the efforts in
> > > > this
> > > > scenario.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Pedro Duque Vieira - https://www.pixelduke.com
>