AWT is somewhat dead, will JavaFX survive?

[Philip Race]

On 9/30/24 3:33 PM, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
> Swing / AWT is still being actively maintained and isn't "abandoned". 
> What you are describing are bugs. Have you filed them?

Perhaps Davide is the submitter for this TrayIcon bug submitted 2 days ago
https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8341144

FWIW TrayIcon recently suffered from a regression bug in the Linux desktop
Gnome have now fixed it so it should be OK if you are on the latest distros.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/blob/2127c62b210f605747e019e6e2abee82516e3ccb/NEWS#L152
Corresponding JDK bug : https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8322750

And we've done loads of updates for new OSes to keep things current and 
working.
Right now we are just wrapping up a JCP maintenance release (a 
significant investment) and the
backports of everything needed to be able to support Wayland on Linux.
That's not abandoned by any reasonable criteria.

-phil.


>
> And yes, we know that that there are missing features in JavaFX 
> relative to Swing like desktop integration and Image I/O to name two 
> important ones. I guess the question for you and other app developers 
> are: which ones are the most important that there be a native JavaFX 
> solution for?
>
> -- Kevin
>
>
> On 9/30/2024 2:17 PM, Davide Perini wrote:
>> Hi,
>> thanks for your time, I appreciate the answer.
>>
>> I love JavaFX and my concern is sincere.
>> JavaFX is not a "complete solution" to build UIs because it relies on 
>> AWT for basic and important features like a TrayIcon for example.
>>
>> AWT is abandoned, most of its APIs is falling apart causing issues on 
>> modern OS.
>>
>> That's why of my question. If AWT is abandoned, how can JavaFX 
>> survive this?
>> Does it has sense in developing JavaFX if Oracle abandoned AWT?
>>
>> I know that JavaFX devs thinks that AWT and JavaFX are two separate 
>> things but for devs that must develop a software that has a UI,
>> JavaFX is not enough because JavaFX has "nearly no integration with 
>> the OS".
>>
>> I mean, how can we convince new developers to jump on JavaFX if the 
>> "surroundings" are in this state?
>>
>> Davide
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28/09/2024 20:37, Johan Vos wrote:
>>> I got the question "Will JavaFX survive?" very often since I became 
>>> co-lead of the OpenJFX project, about 7 years ago. OpenJFX is a 
>>> technology project and contrary to most client frameworks OpenJFX 
>>> itself has no marketing department with "devrels" etc.
>>> The resources working on OpenJFX are focusing on the technology. And 
>>> I am very proud to see that the code you could write for JavaFX 9 is 
>>> still running today on JavaFX 23. I don't think many client 
>>> technologies can say the same.
>>> The diverse contributors to the OpenJFX project are doing a 
>>> fantastic job in maintaining and advancing the technology in the 
>>> spirit of OpenJDK and Java in general. Granted, I sometimes wish we 
>>> (as in OpenJFX) had some marketing efforts of paid devrels to spread 
>>> the word at many conferences. But as developers, our first priority 
>>> and main skills are in working on the code.
>>>
>>> - Johan
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2024 at 5:17 PM Davide Perini 
>>> <perini.davide at dpsoftware.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>     no answers, means a lot...
>>>
>>>     On 26/09/2024 17:44, Davide Perini wrote:
>>>     > As title.
>>>     > AWT is too old to withstand the future and probably it's too
>>>     old to
>>>     > withstand the present.
>>>     >
>>>     > AWT is falling apart with old APIs breaking as operating
>>>     systems move on.
>>>     >
>>>     > Even very important features like tray icons and notifications
>>>     are
>>>     > broken.
>>>     > Something is broken in Windows, something in Linux, something
>>>     on macOS.
>>>     >
>>>     > Current notification APIs is old and is somewhat broken in
>>>     Windows
>>>     > with notification that doesn't stick in the notification center.
>>>     >
>>>     > SystemTray on Linux is completely broken because it still uses
>>>     the
>>>     > ancient xembeds instead of the newer SNI.
>>>     >
>>>     > I love JavaFX but will JavaFX survive the fact that AWS is
>>>     abandoned
>>>     > and that it is falling apart?
>>>     >
>>>     > Is there something moving to renew AWT or it's just kicking a
>>>     dead horse?
>>>     >
>>>     > Thanks
>>>     > Davide
>>>
>>
>
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