<div dir="ltr">Hi Xuelei,<div>There were 2 distinct cases of change of behaviour.</div><div><ul><li>The "<span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">CN=invalid2.invalid, OU="No SNI provided" reliably works without SNI in Java 8 but is indeed fixed by having an SNI included which perhaps was needed all along. This one is reported by XMPP/TLS connection from <a href="http://talk.google.com:5222">talk.google.com:5222</a></span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">The aborted handshake case (client_hello traces that I've provided) this happened with a hardware device which was replicable with an SSL socket handshake program that I referenced in the gist. Unfortunately replication requires a specific device model so it wont be possible to see it for yourself. The workaround there was to either downgrade JRE to < 11 or to switch JRE globally to use TLS 1.0 or TLS 1.1 via the system property. This is where your proposed enhancement will be of great help as it will allow a per connection type decision.</span></li></ul></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 3:01 PM Xuelei Fan <<a href="mailto:xuelei.fan@oracle.com">xuelei.fan@oracle.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Amir,<br>
<br>
It should be rare now the a TLS vendor cannot ignore unknown extensions.<br>
<br>
> "issuer": "CN=invalid2.invalid, OU="No SNI provided;<br>
> please fix your client."",<br>
The error message encapsulated in the certificate does not sound right <br>
to me. Is it caused by the absence of SNI extension?<br>
<br>
Did you have a test case that I can reproduce the problem?<br>
<br>
Thanks & Regards,<br>
Xuelei<br>
<br>
<br>
On 1/7/2019 9:27 PM, Amir Khassaia wrote:<br>
> Xuelei,<br>
> The certificate in the connection is a red herring and not important. <br>
> It's actually a very unusual behaviour by <a href="http://talk.google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">talk.google.com</a> <br>
> <<a href="http://talk.google.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://talk.google.com</a>> endpoint to encapsulate an error message inside <br>
> a certificate.<br>
> <br>
> As per the output I included:<br>
> <br>
> /"certificate" : { />/ "version" : "v3", />/ "serial number" : "00 90 76 89 18 E9 33 93 A0", />/ "signature algorithm": "SHA256withRSA", />/ "issuer" : "CN=invalid2.invalid, OU="No SNI provided; />/please fix your client."", />/ "not before" : "2015-01-01 11:00:00.000 AEDT", />/ "not after" : "2030-01-01 11:00:00.000 AEDT", />/ "subject" : "CN=invalid2.invalid, OU="No SNI provided; />/please fix your client."",/<br>
> <br>
> /<br>
> /<br>
> <br>
> This certificate simply masks the TLS interoperability issue as an <br>
> untrusted certificate issue.<br>
> <br>
> The fact is, some of the extensions sent by JSSE are changes to TLS 1.2 <br>
> to support TLS 1.3, this however affects some clients adversely in <br>
> practice and usually JDK provides properties to turn new enhancements <br>
> off and work around such behaviour, for the extensions I mentioned this <br>
> is not provided and hence they are always sent for client sockets unless <br>
> TLSv1.2 is not in use.<br>
> <br>
> The impact to us is that upgrading to JDK11 means for some endpoints or <br>
> devices that are not 100% compliant to the spec the security is reduced <br>
> as we have to now work around to drop connections to these to TLSv1.1 or <br>
> TLS1.0 or not to move to Java 11 at all.<br>
> <br>
> My request is simply to have all of the new extensions configurable on <br>
> individual basis so that they can be turned off if needed for <br>
> compatibility just like most other security enhancements that were <br>
> delivered in the past.<br>
> <br>
> It appears some of the issues can come from<br>
> <br>
> - inclusion of RSASSA-PSS alg in TLS 1.2 handshakes but these can <br>
> disabled at least<br>
> <br>
> -signature_algorithms_cert and supported_versions extensions which seem <br>
> to be hardcoded for TLS 1.2 (I was not able to conclusively identify <br>
> which of these caused my troubles)<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-1.3" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-1.3</a> does say that TLS 1.2 <br>
> clients are affected but in an optional manner.Just today I've <br>
> encountered another Java 11 interop issue with TLS but this time with a <br>
> physical device which can have a long shelf life yet running a simple <br>
> client socket handshake abruptly terminates the connection upon client <br>
> hello (no server_hello at all), and downgrading the JRE below 11 works <br>
> fine. I'm including a trace for that as well:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-0813:40:14.395 AEDT|SSLCipher.java:437|jdk.tls.keyLimits: entry = AES/GCM/NoPadding KeyUpdate2^37. AES/GCM/NOPADDING:KEYUPDATE =137438953472<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|WARNING|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.433 <br>
> AEDT|ServerNameExtension.java:255|Unable to indicate server name<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.433 <br>
> AEDT|SSLExtensions.java:235|Ignore, context unavailable extension: <br>
> server_name<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.433 <br>
> AEDT|SSLExtensions.java:235|Ignore, context unavailable extension: <br>
> status_request<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|WARNING|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.443 <br>
> AEDT|SignatureScheme.java:282|Signature algorithm, ed25519, is not <br>
> supported by the underlying providers<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|WARNING|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.444 <br>
> AEDT|SignatureScheme.java:282|Signature algorithm, ed448, is not <br>
> supported by the underlying providers<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|INFO|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.449 <br>
> AEDT|AlpnExtension.java:161|No available application protocols<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.449 <br>
> AEDT|SSLExtensions.java:235|Ignore, context unavailable extension: <br>
> application_layer_protocol_negotiation<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.450 <br>
> AEDT|SSLExtensions.java:235|Ignore, context unavailable extension: <br>
> status_request_v2<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.453 <br>
> AEDT|ClientHello.java:651|Produced ClientHello handshake message (<br>
> <br>
> "ClientHello": {<br>
> <br>
> "client version" : "TLSv1.2",<br>
> <br>
> "random" : "1A BA E8 FC 59 00 AB DF 9A 1A 07 94 24 7F 34 3D <br>
> 0B D2 7D 10 72 52 54 CD 44 43 62 E8 8B 42 C6 68",<br>
> <br>
> "session id" : "",<br>
> <br>
> "cipher suites" : <br>
> "[TLS_ECDHE_ECDSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256(0xC023), <br>
> TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256(0xC027), <br>
> TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256(0x003C), <br>
> TLS_ECDH_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256(0xC029), <br>
> TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA(0x002F)]",<br>
> <br>
> "compression methods" : "00",<br>
> <br>
> "extensions" : [<br>
> <br>
> "supported_groups (10)": {<br>
> <br>
> "versions": [secp256r1, secp384r1, secp521r1, secp160k1]<br>
> <br>
> },<br>
> <br>
> "ec_point_formats (11)": {<br>
> <br>
> "formats": [uncompressed]<br>
> <br>
> },<br>
> <br>
> "signature_algorithms (13)": {<br>
> <br>
> "signature schemes": [ecdsa_secp256r1_sha256, ecdsa_secp384r1_sha384, <br>
> ecdsa_secp512r1_sha512, rsa_pss_rsae_sha256, rsa_pss_rsae_sha384, <br>
> rsa_pss_rsae_sha512, rsa_pss_pss_sha256, rsa_pss_pss_sha384, <br>
> rsa_pss_pss_sha512, rsa_pkcs1_sha256, rsa_pkcs1_sha384, <br>
> rsa_pkcs1_sha512, dsa_sha256, ecdsa_sha224, rsa_sha224, dsa_sha224, <br>
> ecdsa_sha1, rsa_pkcs1_sha1, dsa_sha1, rsa_md5]<br>
> <br>
> },<br>
> <br>
> "signature_algorithms_cert (50)": {<br>
> <br>
> "signature schemes": [ecdsa_secp256r1_sha256, ecdsa_secp384r1_sha384, <br>
> ecdsa_secp512r1_sha512, rsa_pss_rsae_sha256, rsa_pss_rsae_sha384, <br>
> rsa_pss_rsae_sha512, rsa_pss_pss_sha256, rsa_pss_pss_sha384, <br>
> rsa_pss_pss_sha512, rsa_pkcs1_sha256, rsa_pkcs1_sha384, <br>
> rsa_pkcs1_sha512, dsa_sha256, ecdsa_sha224, rsa_sha224, dsa_sha224, <br>
> ecdsa_sha1, rsa_pkcs1_sha1, dsa_sha1, rsa_md5]<br>
> <br>
> },<br>
> <br>
> "extended_master_secret (23)": {<br>
> <br>
> <empty><br>
> <br>
> },<br>
> <br>
> "supported_versions (43)": {<br>
> <br>
> "versions": [TLSv1.2, TLSv1.1]<br>
> <br>
> },<br>
> <br>
> "renegotiation_info (65,281)": {<br>
> <br>
> "renegotiated connection": [<no renegotiated connection>]<br>
> <br>
> }<br>
> <br>
> ]<br>
> <br>
> }<br>
> <br>
> )<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.455 <br>
> AEDT|Alert.java:232|Received alert message (<br>
> <br>
> "Alert": {<br>
> <br>
> "level" : "fatal",<br>
> <br>
> "description": "handshake_failure"<br>
> <br>
> }<br>
> <br>
> )<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|ERROR|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.456 <br>
> AEDT|TransportContext.java:313|Fatal (HANDSHAKE_FAILURE): Received fatal <br>
> alert: handshake_failure (<br>
> <br>
> "throwable" : {<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Received fatal alert: <br>
> handshake_failure<br>
> <br>
> at java.base/sun.security.ssl.Alert.createSSLException(Alert.java:128)<br>
> <br>
> at java.base/sun.security.ssl.Alert.createSSLException(Alert.java:117)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.TransportContext.fatal(TransportContext.java:308)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.Alert$AlertConsumer.consume(Alert.java:279)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.TransportContext.dispatch(TransportContext.java:181)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLTransport.decode(SSLTransport.java:164)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.decode(SSLSocketImpl.java:1152)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readHandshakeRecord(SSLSocketImpl.java:1063)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.startHandshake(SSLSocketImpl.java:402)<br>
> <br>
> at SslSocketClient.main(SslSocketClient.kt:47)}<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> )<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.457 <br>
> AEDT|SSLSocketImpl.java:1361|close the underlying socket<br>
> <br>
> javax.net.ssl|DEBUG|01|main|2019-01-08 13:40:14.457 <br>
> AEDT|SSLSocketImpl.java:1380|close the SSL connection (initiative)<br>
> <br>
> Exception in thread "main" javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: Received <br>
> fatal alert: handshake_failure<br>
> <br>
> at java.base/sun.security.ssl.Alert.createSSLException(Alert.java:128)<br>
> <br>
> at java.base/sun.security.ssl.Alert.createSSLException(Alert.java:117)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.TransportContext.fatal(TransportContext.java:308)<br>
> <br>
> at java.base/sun.security.ssl.Alert$AlertConsumer.consume(Alert.java:279)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.TransportContext.dispatch(TransportContext.java:181)<br>
> <br>
> at java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLTransport.decode(SSLTransport.java:164)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.decode(SSLSocketImpl.java:1152)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.readHandshakeRecord(SSLSocketImpl.java:1063)<br>
> <br>
> at <br>
> java.base/sun.security.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.startHandshake(SSLSocketImpl.java:402)<br>
> <br>
> at SslSocketClient.main(SslSocketClient.kt:47)<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
</blockquote></div>