Removal of SA javascript support
Chris Plummer
chris.plummer at oracle.com
Thu Dec 19 16:28:26 UTC 2019
Hi Yasumasa,
I've had similar thoughts about how to extend clhsdb. Why not export
everything since what we would export is not part of a spec, and the
javascript support had the same issue of potentially breaking when the
SA API changed. But maybe this type of unspec'd API exporting is
considered bad policy. I'm not sure. I'll let the API spec guru's
comment on that aspect of it.
thanks,
Chris
On 12/19/19 12:17 AM, Yasumasa Suenaga wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think we can provide API for SA as following:
>
> Patch: http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~ysuenaga/sa-api/webrev/
> Plugin examples:
> browse: http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~ysuenaga/sa-api/plugin-examples/
> download:
> http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~ysuenaga/sa-api/plugin-examples.tar.gz
>
> I think JS plugin (loading via `jsload` CLHSDB command) was supported
> "AS IS".
> If HotSpot and/or SA code is changed, the user should follow it if need.
> SA is not part of Java SE. We need not to maintain SA API when it
> happen IMHO.
>
> The user who want to expand SA features (includes me!) should have
> responsible for it.
> So I did not expose jdk.hotspot.agent module - the user need to build
> with --add-exports.
>
> My proposal can write SA plugins with pure Java. So we don't need to
> depend on script engine.
>
>
> Comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yasumasa
>
>
> On 2019/12/11 21:47, sundararajan.athijegannathan at oracle.com wrote:
>> Effectively you're asking for SA as API. I don't think that is a good
>> idea. That implies supporting hotspot data structures as Java *API*.
>> That will be maintainability nightmare - we've to keep tracking
>> hotspot data structures in SA code. That itself is problematic. API
>> would be next level nightmare.
>>
>> -Sundar
>>
>> On 11/12/19 11:57 am, Yasumasa Suenaga wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> IMHO we need to export all packages in SA if we do not provide new
>>> API for SA.
>>> sa.js in jdk.hotspot.agent could access all SA classes until JDK 8
>>> (before Jigsaw), so we could make various functions if we need.
>>>
>>> OTOH we cannot know what classes are needed by the SA users. All
>>> packages in jdk.hotspot.agent module provides features, and they
>>> require other packages. For example, sun.jvm.hotspot.oops.Oop
>>> requires sun.jvm.hotspot.types, and it requires
>>> sun.jvm.hotspot.debugger .
>>> It is difficult to track and to export minimally.
>>> (I worked for it in JDK-8157947, but I gave up...)
>>>
>>> Thus I guess it is a big challenge to export SA classes without
>>> refactoring.
>>> If we provide new API for SA plugin, I guess we need to work some
>>> refactoring.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yasumasa
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019/12/11 15:00, Chris Plummer wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/19 9:56 PM, Yasumasa Suenaga wrote:
>>>>> On 2019/12/11 14:39, Krystal Mok wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Yasumasa,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a very nice idea. Basically what you're asking for is
>>>>>> exposing the Command interface [1] so that plugins can implement
>>>>>> it and get dynamically loaded / registered into CLHSDB / HSDB,
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but we also need proxy API to access internal SA objects e.g.
>>>>> CodeCache, JavaThread, TypeDataBase, etc...
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, or export them. I should have read this email before posting
>>>> my previous one.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Yasumasa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]:
>>>>>> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk/jdk/file/c71ec1f09f21/src/jdk.hotspot.agent/share/classes/sun/jvm/hotspot/CommandProcessor.java#l246
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Kris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:33 PM Yasumasa Suenaga
>>>>>> <suenaga at oss.nttdata.com <mailto:suenaga at oss.nttdata.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a sad proposal, but I agree with you. To maintain SA in
>>>>>> JS is difficult since Jigsaw.
>>>>>> However I want SA to implement pluggable feature.
>>>>>> I use custom script to list compiled codes in CodeCache.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess other troubleshooters also want similar feature (via
>>>>>> jsload) in future if they encounter JVM crash.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yasumasa
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2019/12/11 11:52, Chris Plummer wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I like to propose the removal of SA javascript support.
>>>>>> Few people even realize this support exists, and hopefully even
>>>>>> fewer are using it since I'd like to remove it. Since I'm new to
>>>>>> this myself, let me first explain what I know about it's
>>>>>> existence, and then explain why I want to remove it.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you run "jhsdb clhsdb", there are jsload and jseval
>>>>>> commands. Don't look for them in anything post JDK 8. I'll
>>>>>> explain why later. jsload is used to load a javascript file. In
>>>>>> that file you can register new clhsdb commands that are written
>>>>>> in javascript. You can also evaluate javascript using the jseval
>>>>>> command. Some of this is explained in [1], which is the only
>>>>>> place I can find any reference to this support. It does not
>>>>>> appear to be officially supported, nor is there any oracle
>>>>>> provided documentation.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > There also appear to be a few clhsdb commands that are
>>>>>> written in javascript. Doing a grep for "registerCommand" in
>>>>>> sa.js shows the following:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > registerCommand("class", "class name", "jclass");
>>>>>> > registerCommand("classes", "classes", "jclasses");
>>>>>> > registerCommand("dumpclass", "dumpclass { address | name
>>>>>> } [ directory ]", "dclass");
>>>>>> > registerCommand("dumpheap", "dumpheap [ file ]",
>>>>>> "dumpHeap");
>>>>>> > registerCommand("mem", "mem address [ length ]",
>>>>>> "printMem");
>>>>>> > registerCommand("sysprops", "sysprops", "sysProps");
>>>>>> > registerCommand("whatis", "whatis address", "printWhatis");
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Once again, don't go looking for these in anything newer
>>>>>> than JDK8. You won't find them. Again the only documentation I
>>>>>> can fine is [1].
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The other use of Javascript is the SOQL command (Simple
>>>>>> Object Query Language), a tool used to query the heap, and also
>>>>>> the JSDB command. The only SOQL documentation I could find is the
>>>>>> blog reference [2]. I could not find HSDB documentation, but I
>>>>>> believe is is a javascript support for looking at hotspot. So
>>>>>> once again, neither of these seem to be officially supported or
>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The real purpose of the email is to propose removal of
>>>>>> this support. Here are the reasons:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > (1) It's broken, and has been since 9. See [3]. This is
>>>>>> why you don't see the javascript related commands in clhsdb.
>>>>>> Javascript fails to initialize, so none of the javascript related
>>>>>> commands are registered.
>>>>>> > (2) Nashorn is deprecated and will be removed eventually.
>>>>>> > (3) We have very little understanding of the javascript
>>>>>> support.
>>>>>> > (4) No resources to work on it (unless there is a
>>>>>> community volunteer).
>>>>>> > (5) Very questionable value (lack of users). The fact this
>>>>>> support has been broken since JDK 9 and no bug was filed until I
>>>>>> did so this week is a good indication of that. Another is that
>>>>>> there are no other SA Javascript related bugs filed. Lastly, the
>>>>>> lack of any official documentation and only minimal mention of it
>>>>>> on the web is another good indication of it's (lack of) value.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Also, regarding the 7 commands listed above that would be
>>>>>> lost (but currently don't work now anyway), if they are really
>>>>>> wanted, they could be implemented in java instead of javascript.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I'd like to remove javascript support in two steps. The
>>>>>> first is simply disable the clhsdb code that tries to initialize
>>>>>> the javascript support. I'd like to do this in 14 (actually as
>>>>>> soon as possible). I'd like to actually do this now even if we
>>>>>> decide to keep javascript support and eventually fix it because
>>>>>> it will get rid of the warning you see whenever you attach from
>>>>>> clhsdb:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Warning! JS Engine can't start, some commands will
>>>>>> not be available.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > This warning will become more of an issue for the clhsdb
>>>>>> tests after I push [4] because then you will also see the full
>>>>>> stacktrace for the underlying exception that caused the
>>>>>> Javascript to fail to start. Besides being unnecessary noise in
>>>>>> passing test cases, it can also be misleading in any test that
>>>>>> fails because the exception will be unrelated to the failure.
>>>>>> This is actually what got me going down this path of what the
>>>>>> javascript support is all about.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The next step would be to strip out all Javascript related
>>>>>> code, including the SOQL and JSDB tools. This would be done in 15.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Please let me know what you think.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > thanks,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Chris
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > [1]
>>>>>> https://cr.openjdk.java.net/~minqi/6830717/raw_files/new/agent/doc/clhsdb.html
>>>>>> > [2]
>>>>>> http://javatroubleshooting.blogspot.com/2015/12/serviceability-agent-part-3.html
>>>>>> > [3] https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8235594
>>>>>> > [4] https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8234277
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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